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#410

Mostly healing for me as well, a little anger sometimes to use as a pick me up fuel. The healing naturally focuses on relationship, heartbreak and do I even believe in that myth of soul mate again.

There’s a slight tug of war of wanting and not wanting, more leaning to yes; but it feels like I have to delude myself to accept it.

Ater a decade of believing that I had it, only to find out I never really did, love only conquers all when it’s just from my side (used to say things like that as a form of “the sun will shine tomorrow” so no need to fuss about whatever) and finally, money won and all the sacrifices, financial, career, dreams, all that I built and gave away just never mattered as long as I couldn’t keep it up the consistency and caliber. Which leads me to go back to the original view of relationship dynamics and humans in general without the 80s pop culture, boombox up the sky and a trail of roses, though those moves would still work.

It’s not rougher than DRs and Phoenix. Phoenix was tougher when it dealt with this pain almost a year ago, it was also deeper but different, without the aim to mend and patch up the heart. Rather a complete ashifying.

After reconciling what HS brings up, I do feel like listened to LB, but instead, it’s like a giddiness and a smoothening of personality, more loving and easy going energy and I do not want to play any Seduction games, one look and we swim in each others’ breath.

My view shifted as well: when I look at a girl I’m trying to sense an energy from their eyes but it’s always the same, a shying away of the eye, a blush or an empty casket – nothing. I did feel the embers and sparks three weeks ago before HS (I’m on it for 4 loops, the rehashing of the old pain is draining me, the guilt of moving on and the Clinging to false hope, the typical symptoms of a long relation withering away and fading like a note in the sky) but I don’t know if it was a simple fluke in that encounter or the charm or she reminded me of someone I used to know; hence why HS is here momentarily until I could see them again.

Every single one and thing within me telling me to focus on laying more bricks in my otherwise ruins of a castle is not helping when my heart wants to sing and my mind wants all them bees, the honey and the wax that comes with that sweet bread. Naturally, I’ll drive with my heart and go straight into a tree, where a beehive will fall over my crashing ride and I’d get stung again :upside_down_face:

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#411

Damn that sounds painful, hope you heal it soon.

Stuff like this is definitely what HS seems to bring out, while at the same time the manifestation side doesn’t seem to show up as much, which almost makes HS feel solely like a healing title rather than a soulmate title with healing.

I guess these memories and triggers are what we need to get through to get to a place where we can attract who we want.

But if we do, I can almost already predict the recon that will come ’ I did all this internal work and healing, would she have even liked me if I didn’t?’.

Don’t even know if these recon thoughts are even justified at this point.

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#412

Yes I definitely realise that I put conditions on others too, it’s just that I become hyper focused when on HS about conditions that WOULD have been put on me before but I have now overcome.

Almost like ’ why were those conditions there before, you would not have liked me if I didn’t overcome them’

I guess this is all a projection of me not really accepting others either (or maybe not accepting myself with those flaws).

Either way, HS is one scary ride lol

This is coming from someone who’s done all stages of OG dragon reborn and Og Khan btw

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#413

Just like how Seduction titles manifest people who share what you have in mind, sexual intercourse, so would HS bring us closer to love and soul mating.

But in there are plenty of fish in the sea seeking the first and they are repeat customers that could be found at any place as well as predesignated places where everyone knows why they’re there, bars and clubs.

Both are of no easy task, but everyone has some sort of game, how effective that game is is another story; but everyone from an early age has been doing one thing or another to fulfill their mating desires. However, not everyone has been thinking ooh I want a soul mate, only one playmate forever, so I will continue truly working on myself and my authenticity and live from my heart. The heart breaks and gets hurt and all that pain is swept under the rug and under hatred and whatever else. But when a girl rejects a guy, the self defense mechanisms are always at play, be it name calling, going after another target, or getting wreckt.

Tldr: soul mate has a hearty weight to it opposed to a mate. The heart has to heal from whatever is lurking before serendipity hits – attracting at the level we are at.

Just my thoughts if it makes sense. Every title worked after all, and they did some crazier things, that’s my explanation.

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#414

HeartSong is smooth butter to me. Deeply softening and loving attitude overall, more than lbfh or lb which go much deeper within the concepts of love and acceptance of differences, etc.

The only downside that I see with this sub is also the upside, great softening and loving open attitude that increases sensitivity to others which might not be a good fit if your personality is already leaning on the yin side.

If you’re a guy leaning towards the hard side of masculinity this sub will do wonders. It’s also great for anyone else to experience emotional softening up and open that heart full of your own treasures.

I personally cannot use it for too long on its own or with only feminine subs without feeling an imbalance in relationships, I melt in others and get mesmerized at the intensity of their unique beauty, ‘too much of a good thing’ situation.

But I wouldn’t change a thing on this sub, it’s exquisite as is.

It worked well in combination with GLM , good balance, listening on different days though, since they’re so different.

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#415

Lol thats stage 3 of the process…

You see the way other people hurt you… release
You see how you have hurt other people… release
You see how you are hurting yourself… release

Then comes stage 4.

Ive done all iterations of DR and almost all healing subs… it never gets any easier for me to run healing subs… but it does goes deeper, well maybe that why it doesnt get easier.

It does turn you into a different person with time and dedication though. Also getting help from other sources when its needed, helping the sub help you.

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#416

You’re tempting me to try another cycle of this lol.

I might in a month or two, I’ll keep this in mind and use HS alongside some kind of releasing and meditation practice to see if I can handle it

Thanks :+1:t2:

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#417

This is true, hence why HS healing is likely much more brutal than other healing for me (even Dragon Reborn), due to how specific it is, which allows it to go deeper

#418

I would love if it emphasized the soulmate piece more.

Edit: or even “ideal partner” “conscious loving partner”

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#419

I agree, though I do think it has a lot of it, the expression likely only comes out after the healing.

Some random manifestations do seem to occur.

I was walking once and a normal looking woman (who seemed to work a fairly high paying job in the middle of the city) saw me and just stopped in the middle of the road and started crying

Maybe it wasn’t me, maybe something else was going on in her life. But it was strange.

Guess it was a manifestation of a reflection of myself which I’m ignoring? Idk.

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#420

Definitely agree. I just listened to 20 seconds few moments ago and old pain and sadness triggered again and I specifically feel it in my heart. This is coming from someone that had two cycles of DRG and DRR in a custom with another custom of 3 multistagers. The sadness and physical pain lngers with this one unlike the others. It’s kinda interesting to be honest

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#421

Yeah with HS you gotta be ready to re experience early childhood moments/face feelings of rejection, abandonment, neglect and heartbreaks.
All the personality treats and coping mechanisms you developed to avoid the pain of those experiences, begin to come to the surface.

Pretty “mild” stuff.

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#422

Yeah the loop from the other day was still digging into my psyche and early childhood, starting with my very first romance and it had a domino effect my whole life. That was “fun”

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#423

How much healing needs to happen before the heart can truly open and bring in your ideal partner? Hmm :thinking:

It feels like the scripting really pushes for deep emotional healing, especially around past wounds, in order to open the heart and attract your ideal partner. While I understand the need for that healing, I’m wondering why it still feels so intense, even after all the work I’ve already done. How much deeper do we need to go?

I just don’t want to get stuck in the healing process and miss the opportunity to actually attract the right person. It would be great if HS could focus on continuing our healing work while also allowing us to draw in that person who’s doing their own healing, too.

I thought it would’ve been smoother considering all the work I’ve already put in.

Maybe some subliminals are just not ideal for some of us?

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#424

I can tell you how I answer that question for myself (damn so much self reference here :rofl:)

I said no more relationships until I understand the patterns that always led me to toxic relationships and heal the root cause of them all.
Thats exactly what I did.

What I could not foresee is that after all that process I turned into a whole different man. I no longer agree/believe in the Soulmate model of relationships and currently Im living my life in a way that the “old me running HS” could have never conceived of.

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#425

Maybe I got more results than I realized from that sub. :smirk:

I’ve focused so much on my self love journey, and really getting to the bottom of my patterns, why I was in the relationships I was in… my attachment style stuff, core wounds… parts work… betrayal… trust… vulnerability… the roots!

Taking myself on dates… becoming the love I seek… all that jazz and metal!

I am completely different today. I just find myself orbiting around why that sub was such a challenge for me while actively listening. :ear:

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#426

This is a good question

I’d guess that because Heartsong is a sub about one of the touchiest subjects, which is trying to go as deep as possible, almost touching (or touching) the users soul, there could be decades of blockages and pain that needs to be removed before full connection with your own deepest self can occur.

I think heartsong is something that should not be ran by itself, it should be ran in tandem with whatever pain point is being brought up (as it shows what the blockage is to you being able to connect deeper to yourself) , i.e for me, it’s likely best if I run it with Khan or Primal, for others it could be Wanted or seductress etc.

I do share your sentiment about attracting someone who is doing their own healing (or anyone who’s in a Similar inner journey), though it could be that if we are toxic in some way (knowingly or Unknowingly) a part of us could be keeping them away to protect them (and ourselves from guilt).

Only saying this because I myself think I might be slightly toxic due to past experiences and my own opinion of myself.

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#427

Congratulations… That kind of work its pretty rare for someone to do… all the way.
Always be aware of your results and be grateful for the work you put on yourself.

Well the answer should be pretty obvious now lol

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#428

Do you think it’s possible to completely erase every single “toxic” trait? Personally, I believe it’s beautiful when two people come together with a baseline of minimal toxicity and a willingness to grow both as individuals and as a couple.

I recently finished reading How to Love Better by Jung Pueblo, after reading It Begins with You by Jillian Turecki. Both books emphasize that it’s not about expecting perfection in relationships. It Begins with You focuses on the idea that healing and growth begin within ourselves. Jillian teaches that before we can truly connect with another, we must cultivate self-love, set healthy boundaries, and heal from past wounds. The book stresses that we don’t have to be “perfect” to be in a healthy relationship, but we do need to do the inner work to show up authentically.

Similarly, in How to Love Better, Jung Pueblo emphasizes showing up as your true self and creating space for mutual growth in relationships. It explores how relationships aren’t about being flawless but about embracing vulnerability, fostering authenticity, and growing together.

With this in mind, I sometimes wonder if we can get so caught up in deep healing that we might miss the opportunity to meet someone we could truly grow with. It would be great if Heartsong included a perspective that acknowledges ongoing healing work while also making space for attracting the right person, someone who is also committed to their growth so we can grow together as partners. (Sorry if I am being repetitive.)

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#429

I believe it’s not completely possible to erase every bit of toxicity we have, as we live in a society.

One persons toxicity could be another person’s boundary setting, one person’s lack of tact could be another persons ambitious go getter.

Toxicity, I guess, could be in the eyes of the beholder, depending on how it affects them (or their loved ones).

I definitely do agree with the sentiments you shared from those books, one doesn’t and shouldn’t have to be perfect to find someone.

It likely is only a problem if we move in a world, knowingly or unknowingly, reacting to some kind of subconscious pain or trauma (that we may have forgotten even exists).

This likely stops us from being authentic as we are moving through the world as a negative result of a past experience rather than truly being ourselves.

I share your sentiment, it would be great if we could find someone from even that place of subconscious inauthenticity. But how would we know at that point if someone is even for us? Would we be able to differentiate a fleeting fancy (a fleeting fancy deeper than the fleeting fancies that came previously) from a ‘soulmate’?

Maybe I’m overthinking idk lol.

But I definitely do share your sentiment.

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