Love this 
thank you for sharing!
Seductress got me going deep apparently.
Okay, I will shush for now on this thread.
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OMG, IKR!
Have such an amazing partner, after a life long ‘leveling up’ and mega healing upgrades (not sub related) Last year added Heartsong into a custom that was a lovey la la sub to sort of celebrate it - and woah, HS just brought up so much stupid nonsense that I was like 'wtf is going on here, this is super unnecessary" lol and abandoned the custom. lol.
Running Alchemist now and totally over looped it and it’s kind of doing the same thing (but that’s on me lol)
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Adding my 2 cents -
This is my most important sub. Have been single since 2019, and looking to attract and keep an ideal partner. Have no interest in the casual dating thing even as a 31yo man. I’ve been engaged with HS for ~6 months. I agree the internal healing work has been tremendous. My “deserve level” has drastically increased, and I no longer feel any urge to settle for less than the woman of my dreams. I know my worth to the point of accepting being single for life unless it’s with someone I can really resonate with and really love on a genuine level.
That being said, the manifestation has been disappointing. Even with the NSE, I have not had any truly significantly promising leads in my dating life, despite putting my best, most authentic foot forward and leveling up in other areas of life thanks to the help of these wonderful subs (esp. wealth). It’s slightly disconcerting not having tangible external results here in proportion to the other tremendous results I’ve had in other areas of life with these subs. Perhaps I’m putting too much importance on this area, which HS has helped to uncover. So for now I’m taking action from a completely indifferent place - as in, put my best foot forward, and whatever happens c’est la vie.
I feel this is a long term sub, hence why I’ve included it in a Primal Romance custom with MDFY: Freedom. Whether it takes 6 weeks, 6 months, or 6 years, I will end up in a perfect relationship with my ideal lady and that may be the biggest gift HS has offered - patience and reassurance in this process 
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lol, it does. About 75% of the script. I’m thinking most people just aren’t ready for that. I’m not sure why it’s triggering a healing effect in everyone.
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Tbh I only ran Heartsong because I was so scared to run it, more so than DRR, Phoenix, Khan etc. but to me that’s probably why I should run it. Mainly because romance was a huge traumatic thing for me since teenage years and has stuck with me since then.
While it did hit me like a ton of bricks the healing is nice once it settles, and the healing seems to be having an effect in other parts of my life. This is all from a loop from Saturday.
Its to the point where I am keeping this in my stack simply for the extreme healing it’s already given me. Hopefully the new tech will help in general.
Im going all out here. Most of this was old views and experinaces. Now i just dont really care about this or pay too much attention.
The first time i used HS was last year with my ex. We both listened to it and we got very intimate and close… but something about it aggrivated me… while i enjoyed. It was too much and wished i had used Primal Nights instead…
I tried it solo few other times and the anger felt personal. Not towards the sub but towards love itself. I did not know exactly what i was being told but i remeber clearly how i felt…
It felt like a gentle, calm voice telling me about an absurd fairy tale that i had never known to exist. That i have never seen anyone live out and enjoy… It felt like my intelligence was being insulted.
My anger towards love! Love that demands me to let go, to embrace and be vaulnrable. When i was old enough to even like someone i was denyed of love… due to lack of experiance and because i was not exciteding or douchy enough like the guys which girls seemed to always pick…
As i got more experiance, i realised the less i care the more i am loved and respected without fully being able to let go, be crazy and vaunralble. That got each girl dry in time…
And the rare 1 time i met the closest thing to real love… she walked out when things got hard and choose herself without looking back… i loved and dreamed about her for years after…
And since then i went on my rampage. Knowing fully that all i am is what i provide be it fun, excitment or how good i am in bed. The different experince of a man who is masculine but not a jerk…
The closer i got, the more they ran… the less i cared, the harder they chased… so again, what even is this love that is pure and grand? That i can only love but still need to be able to walk away at any moment. Without that, they lose respect and intrest…
Is it now my fault for believing what the world told me? Yet whenever i tried and got close, whenever i let my guard down… i got hurt… maybe i have not met ” the one ” yet! What a cruel joke! How im i supposed to remain sane until i meet the one? Will i be reduced to a punching bag and hope to be rewarded eventually?
Or im i supposed to be strong enough to be vaulnrable, get hurt and walk it off easily. The good and positive was always outweighef by the bad and painful.
Needless to say it went all the way where it matterd most… that i did not love myself… but if i did love myself to such level, why would i need anyone? How could it be magical? How could i even attract someone who truly love themselevs when we live in this world where everyone is broken, hurt and choose themseleves first…
It felt like a fairy tale that i needed to fully belive in. A fictional story with no guarantees. Something that only belongs in dreams. I was happy enough to pretend for few moments that whoever i was with at the time, did in fact love me for who i was… that pretending was more than enough. And i dont think im willing to get hurt again, to truly believe again just for the sake of ” maybe one day ”… Right now i still am unwilling to pay such a price for a ” maybe ” and ” one day ”.
90% of what i have seen from this love/pain cycle is pain and dissapointment. If it was more equal then it would be worth it. The juice is simply not worth the squeeze. Its like being told to work for free for potentially years and years for the slight chance you get hired at the best job in existance… but even if you get the job, you can still be fired… anyone would pick something more reliable
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Lmaoooo what 
I had no idea
maybe 2 versions?
HS - find soulmate
HS - for those with soulmate?
I don’t mind the healing because it makes relationships better and heartsong doesn’t cause tantrums or drama when I’m reconed. But I do feel for the peeps out there looking for their partners.
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Very insightfully self aware.
Since everybody is sharing, in the same spirit i will share my heartsong experience.
It has been very intense in many ways, al tho i only did like 3 loops the effects hit heart tearingly deep for several months.It did make me wonder why i would manifest something so heartbreaking.
After running it i very quickly met someone i bonded deeply with. At first i thought it was romantic but then as someone here described concept of “soul tribe” seemed more accurate, love and genuine care for the person but not in quite romantic sense, she even told me it was foreign to her that someone who was a recent stranger to her cared more about her than anyone else in her life.
Her life story is very difficult, brought me to tears a few times and i never really cried before not even when i lost family members so it was cathartic in a way and in many ways similar to what i went through in my life and reminded me of my younger self.
It pissed me off that genuinely good people face so much pain and suffering while horrible people have it so easy.
Her suicidal tendencies returned and she was in a terrible mental state and it deeply hurt when she attempted suicide again, knowing i couldnt really help or save her, that life can be so cruel and hopeless.
She survived but i dont know for how long before she tries again.
I accepted the possiblity of that and glad i could at least give her love and care she didnt get from anyone else in her life and make her life just a little bit sweeter in a dark painful time.
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This post hits so hard not gonna lie man you wrote it in such raw way. I see where you are coming from. When you put it into words, it sounds fucked up yet so real. A dark place to be in.
I know there are relationships that are beyond this “I have to look distant and ready to walk away any second in order to be respected and loved” but it takes special kind of people and will to do it. Gotta be lucky to find that.
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For me, real love is not the unconditional obsessive type. It means being willing to die and even harder still, to live for someone. To choose them everyday, grow alongside them and to fight the entire world if need be. I went into seduction because i wanted to be able to approach " the one " if i was to ever meet her. To not stutter, shy away and hope for something to happen. Had i simply waited and remained true to myself, i would most likely live a very celibate life. They hate the game but only respond to it. By being a certain way, i can consistently elicit investment while remaining just out of reach. I do it in the most genuine and kind way i know to ensure its equally beneficial so i can feel less jaded. To at the very least, show that not all are men are dangerous, evil only think about sex etc. I will be their pillar if their world crumbles knowing fully well they would be out the moment mine shows a crack… Then i can pretend for few moments that its real just before reminding myself of the hell that awaits if i believe the lie.
I despise this with the bottom of my heart. But id rather at least have something than over waiting in celibacy. Nowadays i don’t really care about love. If its real it will find me. If it’s mine, then i will meet someone who will genuinely hates this monkey dance like i do. Her who truly sees me, who looks at me and tells me from the bottom of her heart " you are enough! I choose you for you! " not because i said the right line, made her feel the right thing etc. For something that seems so simple, yet real. I would gladly give her the entire world 10 times over and it would still not be enough. I would burn myself alive so she would not feel a shiver. And if she genuinely felt the same about me? I would be the luckiest and happiest man alive.
Life can be magical too. Maybe the balance is keep the dream alive while negating the drawbacks.
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If Heartsong is to be redone, it will have to be drastically redone in the future. This script is amongst the shortest in the entire library. It’s very focused and simple. Looking at everything from a bird’s eye view, it appears that it’s the subject matter itself – that of love and soulmates – that’s causing the recon. I am genuinely, genuinely shocked that people who can just bulldoze Dragon Reborn are having troubles with this title.
From a more philosophical standpoint, it shows just how damaged we are all in society in regards to love. This script has A LOT of love scripting, similar to Love Bomb and it’s so highly positive that you’d think everyone would respond well, but it seems that this positive scripting regarding love is simply sending people into a state of healing, even though there’s minimal healing scripting (outside of the NSE), because it’s supposed to be manifestation-based.
If I had to guess what’s “wrong” with it, it’d be that the script sets it’s ideals of “love” a bit too high, and since we’ve all pretty much been traumatized due to societal nonsense, we reject the script and go into a healing mode. Which is fine, but that was never the intention for Heartsong. When we revisit this title, we’re going to have to take the practical tools-based approach. This will require some time, because “love” is such a vast topic that explore.
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Heehehheeeee wohoooo!!!
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I think you nailed it with this explanation… It throws you into a healing spiral, I can now confirm why.
Lol… it might be related to expectations… When you go in to DR you know you are going into a battle (so to speak) but when you listen to HS you say, oh this is rosie, im gonna manifest myself some lovely person and we are going out catching butterflies and hold hands… and then it kicks you in the balls. 
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Would changing this not make it not be heartsong anymore?
Meaning we run heartsong to be able to get that ideal, just the (inner) path to it seems extremely painful.
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May be the most difficult thing is what we need the most.
When i used it with my ex. She vastly enjoyed it. She said it reminded her of how madly, deeply and passionate she loves me. During the sex we had that night, she held my face firmly and stared deeply into my soul with such vulnerable, unflinching Bambi Eyes.
In my case however i was conflicted between enjoying the vulnerability and surrendering to it. Knowing well her entire " love " was completely dependent on me being the unflinching superman and seeing the Clark Kent behind the suit would make her act out, lose respect and intrest.
I would happily include HS in my stack if i knew it would manifest someone at my level. Someone i could grow along side of, who grows along side me. Feeling like " the one " is a prize waiting on the other side of the healing and timing seems to be the main cause of fustration. Purpose and hard work take the majority of the healing as they should. Life does not award participation trophies after all. Love is supposed to be the sanctuary, the home and not another healing mission. A baseline level of healing is mandatory after all. But going all the way to build and maintain is just " heartbreaking " xD
Edit: Perhaps using HS with New Emotional Healing Experience Core would repurpose the manifestation of " the one " to manifesting people and experiences which enable organic and spontaneous healing that leads to " the one "?
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It would be cool if this could be a multi stager! Just a thought that came through presently.
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Great news this topic and area definitely deserves a very strong indepth title, whenever the update comes looking forward to it.
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Most guys running seduction subs when all they really need is some OP good HS in their lives hahaha
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