Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

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#28

I dislike this notion that Heartsong should help you find your ideal style (monogamous/polyamorous).

I think that’s totally irrelevant to the conversation of how to connect with someone’s soul. Soulmate should transcend labels. Also, I know couple who started as polyamorous but then became monogamous together… and I know couple who were monogamous and then opened up. Souls transcend labels, and when two people are willing to come to the table and talk about what makes the most sense for both of them, nothing should be truly off limits and nothing should be pre-decided apart from your commitment to that person.

Let the polyamory/monogamy type soul searching come from seduction subs, or even primal romance, because those are about finding relationships (seduction subs) and about communicating ideally in a relationship (primal romance)

(In my world where I see heartsong as a healing/reforged/revelation title like “revelation of the heart”)

Even HEARTsong itself implies something internal, your heart is within you, not external. A person can change the way your heart feels, not literally become your heart.

Instead of heartsong helping you find your relationship style, I much prefer the idea that it prepares you for the depths of connection where any style is possible, and eliminates the fear/jealousy/concern/avoidance/attachment that would make someone prefer one over the other.

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#29

Im not crying, something got into my eye.

Joke aside, I fully align with the sentiment you expressed here and its what Im also wanting to instill in the New Heartsong.

Thats the sense of adventure, I was talking about before, you managed to describe it way better.

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#31

I think when people talk about “soulmates”, they mean there’s a sense of destiny or inevitability in the connection (e.g., love at first sight, “I knew she was the one the second I laid eyes on her” kind of vibe).

  • A sense of magic in the connection
  • An energetic magnetism between the two that transcends simple physical attraction (i.e., they feel compelled or magnetically drawn towards one another - in a way that feels predestined and like outside forces are making happen, and yet, neither wants to resist because of how joyful this experience feels)
  • Compatibility on all levels - physical compatibility (you are each other’s ideal), sexual compatibility, values compatibility, personality compatibility, humor compatibility, love language compatibility, etc.
  • Worthiness scripting that’s rooted in feeling so settled in yourself (inspired by PEACE, WDB, LBFH), that you feel worthy and deserving of such a perfect person. A lot of us have a tendency to self-sabotage or feel unworthy in the presence of someone you view as your ideal 10/10. Some NSE style manifestation scripting for building confidence and self-worth through the lived experience of being desired by those you find the most attractive would be very beneficial.
  • Authenticity and vulnerability is a huge component. The ideal relationship, in many people’s minds, is to cultivate a deep connection with your perfect partner without having to wear a mask or perform a certain way to “win”/maintain that person’s approval. Being loved for simply being your authentic self and, in turn, loving your partner for who they truly are as well.
  • Someone you can relax around, completely let your guard down, and be unashamedly yourself without fear that they will think less of you, or weaponize your vulnerability against you. So you both can relax completely and melt into the love rather than it being something you have to earn, prove, or receive if certain conditions are met. (Primal Romance, WDB, Summertime, and PEACE could provide some inspiration here)
  • The latest and greatest manifestation scripting geared towards manifesting your ideal partner(s) where there is an unmistakable attraction and resonance on all levels
  • And to supercharge that manifestation scripting, adding scripting geared toward encouraging the listener to find creative ways to meet this person in a “meet cute” kind of way - so that it feels like destiny (see point #1). For example, someone that wants a fit partner would be encouraged to join the right gym, or someone interested in an intellectual partner joining a local book club. Basically, finding creative ways to put themselves in the best possible environments to meet the type of person they truly desire. Meeting someone in fated circumstances adds depth and significance to that special connection. (e.g., the difference between meeting someone on Tinder vs. meeting in a random dive bar while both of you are traveling solo)

I also really liked these other ideas from other members:

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#32

Helping the user to develop a secure attachment style seems like it would be extremely beneficial towards achieving the goals of Heartsong

https://www.verywellmind.com/secure-attachment-signs-benefits-and-how-to-cultivate-it-8628802

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#33

I think I finally understand why Heartsong is sending me into full recon healing mode:

It is because my subconscious mind projects its own understanding of an ideal partner into what needs to be manifested. And in almost all cases that ideal partner is however an unconscious Anima projection (Anima / Animus concept as per Carl Jung).

So the subconscious mind, when it tries to execute the script is faced with this unconscious Anima projection that is going on and that is not integrated and not fully reconciled with the conscious mind.

According to Jung, this Anima must first be fully integrated by making it conscious. So reconciliation with the conscious mind is a necessary step in integrating this Anima and letting go of those projected illusions of an ideal partner.

Until it becomes conscious, the mind will project the ideal traits of the ideal woman (or man), also all the assumed needs that an ideal partner would cover, onto people in the outside world, i.e. creating its own illusions, which then clash with observed reality and with what the conscious mind actually considers to be an ideal partner and how those needs are supposed to be fullfilled.

Therefore, an updated version, in order to successfully manifest more “soulmates” needs to somehow fully integrate the Anima / Animus.
Once that is successfully done, and one no longer projects ideal traits onto people nor personal needs, I think the manifestation scripting should have no difficulties of being executed as intended.

For me personally, I think this is the main reason why Heartsong is sending me into full recon mode at the deepest levels of my being.

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#34

I’ll give you my take on it based on the run so far. While I’m sure the improved ZPU build and the nervous system scripting makes a big difference, the main thing that stands out to me is the way the wu-wei concept is expressed in the script, along the lines of returning to wholeness (the uncarved block, etc).

There’s also an aspect of how that interacts with events in the outside world. When I was doing my reading/research into Zhineng Qigong and it’s Hunyuan Entirety Theory, I came across this concept which explained a hell of alot: hunhua, which means “to merge and transform”. It has to do with where two or more things that are complete in their own right (entireties) are merging or interacting, and as a result transforming one another. Hunyuan Qi itself is said to be formed by the hunhua of material, energy and information.

So without confusing things with terminology, there’s this idea that in the process of “becoming whole” the different parts are interacting, merging and influencing/transforming one another on that journey to becoming a unity, and it is feeling and working with this sense of wholeness and transformation that the healing is occurring (what I was calling the Qigong state, where you can feel the body acting as a single unit). I’m sure you can see how applying these kinds of ideas to relationships could be very helpful in “universalising” things :slight_smile:

Don’t know how useful that’s going to be, but in the spirit of putting things out into the void, there it is :alembic: :alien: :unicorn:

Edit: maybe worth adding that the qualities of self-acceptance so on cultivated in Reforged (ie accepting what is whether or not you are trying to change it, and radical self honesty) probably helps with the process. Without accepting what is seen the unity is unable to be sensed properly and transformation takes longer. Peace seems to have that too.

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#35

Great explanation and list of features, i like it as well.

#36

Nothing against your ideas, I actually like them. When I was reading them I couldnt stop thinking, thats exactly what a narcisist will make you feel/believe.

Idealization / Love-Bombing Phase

They shower you with intense attention, flattery, mirroring of your interests/values, constant contact, gifts, future-talk (“soulmate,” “I’ve never felt this way,” “we’re perfect together”), and grand gestures.

You often feel:

  • Uniquely seen, understood, desired, and special—like the center of their universe
  • Euphoric, addicted to the high, as if you’ve finally found “the one”
  • Safe, valued, and chosen in a way that feels almost too perfect

You come to believe the relationship is extraordinary, that they truly get you, and that this intensity is genuine love or destiny. The pace is usually accelerated.

They do it cause it simply works quite well and easily, its worth asking ourselves why is that the case. Are we so starved to feel that way that at the first opportinity we jump into it, no questions asked?
Whats the wound that they feed on?

And a lot of us as a way to cope with those feelings, we really want to believe that some idealized version of others is real, it has to be real so i can prove my worth, right? and ended up believing our own idealizations or the image the other person (Narcissist) intentionally project.

Yes, that would be great, specially if its targeted at worthiness, acceptance and belonging.

Well this kinda make Heartsong a healing title, but maybe with PEACE style of healing is doable… who knows.

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#37

Here’s a question, should this be limited to romantic relationships? Some of the most fulfilling, intimate and transcendent relationships I had were platonic at the core. Hell, losing my best friend of 15 years or being in no contact with my current best friend hurt more than losing any partner.

#38

I think thats covered by Brotherhood

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#39

Kinda sorta? Though it isn’t necessarily universal.

The soulmate concept is so loaded, I’m in favour of moving away from the name

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#40

That’s literally the whole point of the title not sleeping around or friendships but finding a soul reflected parthner

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#41

I didn’t mention anything about sleeping around?

I was speaking more about how loaded the term “soulmate” and what that entitles. As Saint said, we all have a different interpretation of a soulmate, for me that doesn’t limit it to a romantic partner.

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#42

Seems most people misunderstand the concept of a SOULmate, its not a romantic heartmate, we didnt come here into this world as a heart, we came as a soul into physical existence.
A soulmate is a perfect reflection of our soul, a contract made before coming into this world,a feeling of fate and destiny like someone described earlier, as if God, source or whatever made us specifically for each other.

I have heard from spiritual masters that most have one or maybe 2 to 3 soulmates in a lifetime. Often the greatest obstacle is timing and being in the right place and mindset and readiness in our journey for it to sync with another soul.
Its a relationship with someone who recognises your soul whos gaze pierces through all the masks you wear, to see the real you, its the most profound intense resonance and alignment on a deepest level of your being, a charged electricity seeking its perfect match.

If it the subliminal can make you transmit your unique energy signature throughout the whole globe and connect to the energy of the soulmate that matches that energy signature that would be ideal so you can seek each other out through synchronicity of meeting.

#43

In this case i meant a platonic friendship which is much different than a soulmate, maybe soul tribe concept is what you mean

#44

Fair enough…It’s weird that you just to "not sleeping around’ when other people are pushing for this to support poly lifestyles. But okay…

#45

I understand the concept pretty well and its loaded with spiritual and religious presuppositions, a whole belief system. Thats the main reason I do not like it and I think there are a lot of people here who doesnt either.
All the titles in Subclub are free of belief systems, why should this one be the exception? As Saint has stated many times, the sub should work for everybody and for that to be the case it cant requiere for a user to adopt any single belief system, it doesnt matter if someone chooses to believe that as the only truth possible in the universe.

You believe in soulmates? Great! Heartsong adapts to you. You dont believe in soulmates? Great! Heartsong adapts to you too.

Edit: We are not discussing how to adapt/change the concept of soulmates, the point is to move Heartsong somewhere else. As @Malkuth said, its called HEARTSong and not SoulSong.

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#46

To quote Saint

Now, what I need people to understand is that even if they don’t believe in this concept, those who do will express the script differently from them. Those who have a different idea of what a “soulmate” is will express the script in their own way. And it is not the goal of ZPU to change the underlying belief toward another ideal, but rather to honor the individual’s beliefs in a way that helps them grow

Moving along, WDB has a lot of what I’d want from a “heart” title: Deep effortless connective, the anticipant before a kiss, that big cinematic feel, even a little slow burn.

#47

If you dilute the concept too much then it just becomes another wanted, love bomb flavour just like people want endless emperor flavours. The concept is based around SOULmates not heart romance which can be achieved by many subs already.
It presupposes the yearning of a soul to manifest its mate, its reflection, not the heart which is a cog in the process that originates and starts from the soul. If vision of the goal is lost then it’s just another flavour of wanted.