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#423

How much healing needs to happen before the heart can truly open and bring in your ideal partner? Hmm :thinking:

It feels like the scripting really pushes for deep emotional healing, especially around past wounds, in order to open the heart and attract your ideal partner. While I understand the need for that healing, I’m wondering why it still feels so intense, even after all the work I’ve already done. How much deeper do we need to go?

I just don’t want to get stuck in the healing process and miss the opportunity to actually attract the right person. It would be great if HS could focus on continuing our healing work while also allowing us to draw in that person who’s doing their own healing, too.

I thought it would’ve been smoother considering all the work I’ve already put in.

Maybe some subliminals are just not ideal for some of us?

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#424

I can tell you how I answer that question for myself (damn so much self reference here :rofl:)

I said no more relationships until I understand the patterns that always led me to toxic relationships and heal the root cause of them all.
Thats exactly what I did.

What I could not foresee is that after all that process I turned into a whole different man. I no longer agree/believe in the Soulmate model of relationships and currently Im living my life in a way that the “old me running HS” could have never conceived of.

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#425

Maybe I got more results than I realized from that sub. :smirk:

I’ve focused so much on my self love journey, and really getting to the bottom of my patterns, why I was in the relationships I was in… my attachment style stuff, core wounds… parts work… betrayal… trust… vulnerability… the roots!

Taking myself on dates… becoming the love I seek… all that jazz and metal!

I am completely different today. I just find myself orbiting around why that sub was such a challenge for me while actively listening. :ear:

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#426

This is a good question

I’d guess that because Heartsong is a sub about one of the touchiest subjects, which is trying to go as deep as possible, almost touching (or touching) the users soul, there could be decades of blockages and pain that needs to be removed before full connection with your own deepest self can occur.

I think heartsong is something that should not be ran by itself, it should be ran in tandem with whatever pain point is being brought up (as it shows what the blockage is to you being able to connect deeper to yourself) , i.e for me, it’s likely best if I run it with Khan or Primal, for others it could be Wanted or seductress etc.

I do share your sentiment about attracting someone who is doing their own healing (or anyone who’s in a Similar inner journey), though it could be that if we are toxic in some way (knowingly or Unknowingly) a part of us could be keeping them away to protect them (and ourselves from guilt).

Only saying this because I myself think I might be slightly toxic due to past experiences and my own opinion of myself.

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#427

Congratulations… That kind of work its pretty rare for someone to do… all the way.
Always be aware of your results and be grateful for the work you put on yourself.

Well the answer should be pretty obvious now lol

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#428

Do you think it’s possible to completely erase every single “toxic” trait? Personally, I believe it’s beautiful when two people come together with a baseline of minimal toxicity and a willingness to grow both as individuals and as a couple.

I recently finished reading How to Love Better by Jung Pueblo, after reading It Begins with You by Jillian Turecki. Both books emphasize that it’s not about expecting perfection in relationships. It Begins with You focuses on the idea that healing and growth begin within ourselves. Jillian teaches that before we can truly connect with another, we must cultivate self-love, set healthy boundaries, and heal from past wounds. The book stresses that we don’t have to be “perfect” to be in a healthy relationship, but we do need to do the inner work to show up authentically.

Similarly, in How to Love Better, Jung Pueblo emphasizes showing up as your true self and creating space for mutual growth in relationships. It explores how relationships aren’t about being flawless but about embracing vulnerability, fostering authenticity, and growing together.

With this in mind, I sometimes wonder if we can get so caught up in deep healing that we might miss the opportunity to meet someone we could truly grow with. It would be great if Heartsong included a perspective that acknowledges ongoing healing work while also making space for attracting the right person, someone who is also committed to their growth so we can grow together as partners. (Sorry if I am being repetitive.)

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#429

I believe it’s not completely possible to erase every bit of toxicity we have, as we live in a society.

One persons toxicity could be another person’s boundary setting, one person’s lack of tact could be another persons ambitious go getter.

Toxicity, I guess, could be in the eyes of the beholder, depending on how it affects them (or their loved ones).

I definitely do agree with the sentiments you shared from those books, one doesn’t and shouldn’t have to be perfect to find someone.

It likely is only a problem if we move in a world, knowingly or unknowingly, reacting to some kind of subconscious pain or trauma (that we may have forgotten even exists).

This likely stops us from being authentic as we are moving through the world as a negative result of a past experience rather than truly being ourselves.

I share your sentiment, it would be great if we could find someone from even that place of subconscious inauthenticity. But how would we know at that point if someone is even for us? Would we be able to differentiate a fleeting fancy (a fleeting fancy deeper than the fleeting fancies that came previously) from a ‘soulmate’?

Maybe I’m overthinking idk lol.

But I definitely do share your sentiment.

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#430

Love this :black_heart: thank you for sharing!

Seductress got me going deep apparently.

Okay, I will shush for now on this thread.

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#431

OMG, IKR!
Have such an amazing partner, after a life long ‘leveling up’ and mega healing upgrades (not sub related) Last year added Heartsong into a custom that was a lovey la la sub to sort of celebrate it - and woah, HS just brought up so much stupid nonsense that I was like 'wtf is going on here, this is super unnecessary" lol and abandoned the custom. lol.

Running Alchemist now and totally over looped it and it’s kind of doing the same thing (but that’s on me lol)

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#432

Adding my 2 cents -

This is my most important sub. Have been single since 2019, and looking to attract and keep an ideal partner. Have no interest in the casual dating thing even as a 31yo man. I’ve been engaged with HS for ~6 months. I agree the internal healing work has been tremendous. My “deserve level” has drastically increased, and I no longer feel any urge to settle for less than the woman of my dreams. I know my worth to the point of accepting being single for life unless it’s with someone I can really resonate with and really love on a genuine level.

That being said, the manifestation has been disappointing. Even with the NSE, I have not had any truly significantly promising leads in my dating life, despite putting my best, most authentic foot forward and leveling up in other areas of life thanks to the help of these wonderful subs (esp. wealth). It’s slightly disconcerting not having tangible external results here in proportion to the other tremendous results I’ve had in other areas of life with these subs. Perhaps I’m putting too much importance on this area, which HS has helped to uncover. So for now I’m taking action from a completely indifferent place - as in, put my best foot forward, and whatever happens c’est la vie.

I feel this is a long term sub, hence why I’ve included it in a Primal Romance custom with MDFY: Freedom. Whether it takes 6 weeks, 6 months, or 6 years, I will end up in a perfect relationship with my ideal lady and that may be the biggest gift HS has offered - patience and reassurance in this process :slight_smile:

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#433

lol, it does. About 75% of the script. I’m thinking most people just aren’t ready for that. I’m not sure why it’s triggering a healing effect in everyone.

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#434

Tbh I only ran Heartsong because I was so scared to run it, more so than DRR, Phoenix, Khan etc. but to me that’s probably why I should run it. Mainly because romance was a huge traumatic thing for me since teenage years and has stuck with me since then.

While it did hit me like a ton of bricks the healing is nice once it settles, and the healing seems to be having an effect in other parts of my life. This is all from a loop from Saturday.

Its to the point where I am keeping this in my stack simply for the extreme healing it’s already given me. Hopefully the new tech will help in general.

#435

Im going all out here. Most of this was old views and experinaces. Now i just dont really care about this or pay too much attention.

The first time i used HS was last year with my ex. We both listened to it and we got very intimate and close… but something about it aggrivated me… while i enjoyed. It was too much and wished i had used Primal Nights instead…

I tried it solo few other times and the anger felt personal. Not towards the sub but towards love itself. I did not know exactly what i was being told but i remeber clearly how i felt…

It felt like a gentle, calm voice telling me about an absurd fairy tale that i had never known to exist. That i have never seen anyone live out and enjoy… It felt like my intelligence was being insulted.

My anger towards love! Love that demands me to let go, to embrace and be vaulnrable. When i was old enough to even like someone i was denyed of love… due to lack of experiance and because i was not exciteding or douchy enough like the guys which girls seemed to always pick…

As i got more experiance, i realised the less i care the more i am loved and respected without fully being able to let go, be crazy and vaunralble. That got each girl dry in time…

And the rare 1 time i met the closest thing to real love… she walked out when things got hard and choose herself without looking back… i loved and dreamed about her for years after…

And since then i went on my rampage. Knowing fully that all i am is what i provide be it fun, excitment or how good i am in bed. The different experince of a man who is masculine but not a jerk…

The closer i got, the more they ran… the less i cared, the harder they chased… so again, what even is this love that is pure and grand? That i can only love but still need to be able to walk away at any moment. Without that, they lose respect and intrest…

Is it now my fault for believing what the world told me? Yet whenever i tried and got close, whenever i let my guard down… i got hurt… maybe i have not met ” the one ” yet! What a cruel joke! How im i supposed to remain sane until i meet the one? Will i be reduced to a punching bag and hope to be rewarded eventually?

Or im i supposed to be strong enough to be vaulnrable, get hurt and walk it off easily. The good and positive was always outweighef by the bad and painful.

Needless to say it went all the way where it matterd most… that i did not love myself… but if i did love myself to such level, why would i need anyone? How could it be magical? How could i even attract someone who truly love themselevs when we live in this world where everyone is broken, hurt and choose themseleves first…

It felt like a fairy tale that i needed to fully belive in. A fictional story with no guarantees. Something that only belongs in dreams. I was happy enough to pretend for few moments that whoever i was with at the time, did in fact love me for who i was… that pretending was more than enough. And i dont think im willing to get hurt again, to truly believe again just for the sake of ” maybe one day ”… Right now i still am unwilling to pay such a price for a ” maybe ” and ” one day ”.

90% of what i have seen from this love/pain cycle is pain and dissapointment. If it was more equal then it would be worth it. The juice is simply not worth the squeeze. Its like being told to work for free for potentially years and years for the slight chance you get hired at the best job in existance… but even if you get the job, you can still be fired… anyone would pick something more reliable

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#436

Lmaoooo what :joy: I had no idea

maybe 2 versions?
HS - find soulmate
HS - for those with soulmate?

I don’t mind the healing because it makes relationships better and heartsong doesn’t cause tantrums or drama when I’m reconed. But I do feel for the peeps out there looking for their partners.

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#437

Very insightfully self aware.

#438

Since everybody is sharing, in the same spirit i will share my heartsong experience.
It has been very intense in many ways, al tho i only did like 3 loops the effects hit heart tearingly deep for several months.It did make me wonder why i would manifest something so heartbreaking.

After running it i very quickly met someone i bonded deeply with. At first i thought it was romantic but then as someone here described concept of “soul tribe” seemed more accurate, love and genuine care for the person but not in quite romantic sense, she even told me it was foreign to her that someone who was a recent stranger to her cared more about her than anyone else in her life.

Her life story is very difficult, brought me to tears a few times and i never really cried before not even when i lost family members so it was cathartic in a way and in many ways similar to what i went through in my life and reminded me of my younger self.

It pissed me off that genuinely good people face so much pain and suffering while horrible people have it so easy.

Her suicidal tendencies returned and she was in a terrible mental state and it deeply hurt when she attempted suicide again, knowing i couldnt really help or save her, that life can be so cruel and hopeless.

She survived but i dont know for how long before she tries again.
I accepted the possiblity of that and glad i could at least give her love and care she didnt get from anyone else in her life and make her life just a little bit sweeter in a dark painful time.

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#439

This post hits so hard not gonna lie man you wrote it in such raw way. I see where you are coming from. When you put it into words, it sounds fucked up yet so real. A dark place to be in.

I know there are relationships that are beyond this “I have to look distant and ready to walk away any second in order to be respected and loved” but it takes special kind of people and will to do it. Gotta be lucky to find that.

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#440

For me, real love is not the unconditional obsessive type. It means being willing to die and even harder still, to live for someone. To choose them everyday, grow alongside them and to fight the entire world if need be. I went into seduction because i wanted to be able to approach " the one " if i was to ever meet her. To not stutter, shy away and hope for something to happen. Had i simply waited and remained true to myself, i would most likely live a very celibate life. They hate the game but only respond to it. By being a certain way, i can consistently elicit investment while remaining just out of reach. I do it in the most genuine and kind way i know to ensure its equally beneficial so i can feel less jaded. To at the very least, show that not all are men are dangerous, evil only think about sex etc. I will be their pillar if their world crumbles knowing fully well they would be out the moment mine shows a crack… Then i can pretend for few moments that its real just before reminding myself of the hell that awaits if i believe the lie.

I despise this with the bottom of my heart. But id rather at least have something than over waiting in celibacy. Nowadays i don’t really care about love. If its real it will find me. If it’s mine, then i will meet someone who will genuinely hates this monkey dance like i do. Her who truly sees me, who looks at me and tells me from the bottom of her heart " you are enough! I choose you for you! " not because i said the right line, made her feel the right thing etc. For something that seems so simple, yet real. I would gladly give her the entire world 10 times over and it would still not be enough. I would burn myself alive so she would not feel a shiver. And if she genuinely felt the same about me? I would be the luckiest and happiest man alive.

Life can be magical too. Maybe the balance is keep the dream alive while negating the drawbacks.

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#441

If Heartsong is to be redone, it will have to be drastically redone in the future. This script is amongst the shortest in the entire library. It’s very focused and simple. Looking at everything from a bird’s eye view, it appears that it’s the subject matter itself – that of love and soulmates – that’s causing the recon. I am genuinely, genuinely shocked that people who can just bulldoze Dragon Reborn are having troubles with this title.

From a more philosophical standpoint, it shows just how damaged we are all in society in regards to love. This script has A LOT of love scripting, similar to Love Bomb and it’s so highly positive that you’d think everyone would respond well, but it seems that this positive scripting regarding love is simply sending people into a state of healing, even though there’s minimal healing scripting (outside of the NSE), because it’s supposed to be manifestation-based.

If I had to guess what’s “wrong” with it, it’d be that the script sets it’s ideals of “love” a bit too high, and since we’ve all pretty much been traumatized due to societal nonsense, we reject the script and go into a healing mode. Which is fine, but that was never the intention for Heartsong. When we revisit this title, we’re going to have to take the practical tools-based approach. This will require some time, because “love” is such a vast topic that explore.

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#442

Heehehheeeee wohoooo!!!

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