Main Disc. Thread - Stark ZP

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#1057

They’re projecting. Based on their own “red pill” ideas, the fact that billionaire, genius, playboy Tony Stark only had eyes for Pepper when he could realistically have the majority of women on this planet is NOT “ALPHA.”

So, I guess to make Stark more accurate, we should remove the massive amounts of sexual scripting and add Heartsong, right? Because, if we’re going to following the character EXACTLY, you need to find one woman to be with forever so you can focus on your work.

Waiiit – he also made Pepper the CEO of his company, so we’ll need to add THAT scripting also. The “put yo’ wife in charge of your company” module.

How about daddy issues (Iron Man 2) scripting? It would allow you to explore your relationship with your father, so that you can discover the secret of building a tech empire (because in the MCU, that’s how he revolutionized the Arc Reactor or something).

Better add that as well.

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#1058

^^ What he said.

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#1059

I hope so.

Because, I was surprised how feedback and suggestions to new Stark arises so much emotions.

Fame + have enough power to “stand the ground” is what I expect from new Stark.

What about my internal issues. Well, I’m deeply in psychology, coaching since 2004. I can say that I have some knowledge about my issues.

And I quite sensitive to my felt sense feelings.

These leads me to my feedback.

I liked @SaintSovereign mentioned “father issues” :laughing: ”If somebody suggests something, it doesn’t mean that this person is your projection of father telling you what to do”.

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#1060

How long have you been running Stark and what actions have you taken when running it?

#1061

I know it’s a joke but stark with heartsong, manifest a competent & trustworthy partner that you can even put your confidence into running your companies, and resolving childhood issues to gain more success does sound really enticing.

I’d personally be more attracted to that version, lol.

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#1062

@Tomcat

It’s your phrasing. In today’s world of gender wars and gender panic, most men here don’t want a title taking away their masculine edge, which they see as an advantage against a rapidly transforming society. So, you leaned into the whole “any gender” thing being the flaw.

What I actually see – and why we tell people to let us do our thing without pressure – is that we made StarkQ and Stark ZP’s script before we learned as much about fame as we have. Understand that when we say we do research, we do research. Our lives at this point is pretty much meditation, research, working on SubClub, some games to unwind. We spend almost every moment during the day thinking about SOMETHING related to these concepts.

So when you said this:

While I have ideas about what actually caused this, THIS is something I can work with. I can ask others who have been in the spotlight on Stark how they felt and it’s something we can attempt to address directly with scripting. We have a talent for understanding subtext and interpreting what people want when they say something a little unclear.

So, while I disagree with you that Stark can’t handle these situations, there’s no harm in adding “resilience under pressure” scripting and the such and that’s something we can definitely do.

I cannot work with analogies of it being “feminine” or “arty farty,” because in terms of changing or enhancing the script, those terms offer me no value whatsoever, especially when I’m looking at the script and I see it’s chock full of Emperor.

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#1063

Imma just say that from all existing subs waiting for an update, I’m the most excited about Stark.
Based on what I experienced with ROM, Genesis, WB, NR - the update will be a blast.
Let’s not joke about sunseting a sub that is the favorite for so many people here.

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#1064

you have a good humor Saint :joy:

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#1065

When I had presentations for more than 100 people while running Stark, I always added 1-2 loops of Daredevil. Usually with Stark, there is a bit of “nervousness” just when you start, BEFORE you get into the groove and start talking, so the start can we a bit akward. Once I get started with my story, Stark works beautifully. My experience of course…

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#1066

I’m illustrating how far we’ll go to deal with what feels like politically charged pressure to change a title based on the idea that Stark is “feminine energy,” which makes no sense to us.

Now that I’m seeing a certain name dropped as one of the progenitors of the issue, I am shocked that you all actually believed him. The same dude that was once temporarily banned for sending beheading videos to individuals to “cultivate their masculinity” thinks being social is “feminine,” eh? And people fell for it?

Here’s the proper way to get your feedback about Stark heard, based off the stuff I’m seeing here:

“Stark did succeed at generating fame, but I felt like I wasn’t grounded and would feel like breaking to social pressure. On Emperor, I never had this sensation. Is there anyway you can increase the conscious sensation of being grounded and shielded against social pressure, like I do on Emperor?”

SaintSovereign: Well, Stark DOES have this scripting, but since it’s due for an update anyway, there’s no reason why we can’t look into this. @Invictus, both you and your friend tried Stark – be honest, do you think this could be amped up a bit? Anyone else who has been in the spotlight can chime in as well.

NOW what we have is a dialogue. Not a undefined, personal term like “feminine energy,” and the such.

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#1067

@SaintSovereign : For what it’s worth, CFW is the sub that gave me the feeling that public speaking was piece of cake of me. With Emperor I just found myself public speaking and forgot about the fact I used to have issues around that. CFW added a powerful feeling to it. Not sure if you can do anything with that feedback though! :joy:

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#1068

You see?

This is something I can work with. This will generate a conversation, because my next question would be for @lovage to elaborate on what he felt was added by adding Daredevil. DD is very much the “social alpha” title, and Stark has this scripting – so it seems like he’s asking for exactly what I expected – more biofeedback in the form of consciously being able to feel the resilience. Which means I know how to approach this.

@lovage, please elaborate, if you will.

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#1069

Alleluia!

FINALLY.

“Resilience with pressure”, “social pressure in emotional / energetic situation” thats very very close to what I meant.

This scripting should be at least as powerful as Fame / Celebrity, I think.

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#1070

Yeah I got so fudging excited when I read that.

That would become my ideal sub.

Stark + Relationships + Father-Wound-Healing like omg can I have a more 21st Century David Deida-like sub please?

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#1071

I’m not English native language :laughing: your wording is very close what I want from Stark, yes.

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#1072

Consider it done. I’ve already added the idea to the upgrade list. Going forward, everyone – think a bit deeper about what you’re asking for and how to convey it.

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#1073

@SaintSovereign In social interactions and presentations I was and still am a bit nervous beforehand don’t think it’s due to Stark but having something where your not stressed before a big tech conference, before networking with a high value person and before having a presentation would be nice for people like me.

I always go through with it but talking before going to a conference I’d always be a bit nervous. Usually after the first interaction this goes away and then I’m on fire socializing with everyone so maybe something that helps with approaching people with no anxiety/stress as well as not being stressed before presentations?

#1074

I think this is the key.

It’s a touchy subject these days.

The “Any Gender” description could maybe be flushed out a bit more?

I remember submitting a support ticket because I wanted to know if my gf could run Dragon Reborn considering it has masculinity right there in the objectives.

I forget support’s answer. Or maybe it was you Saint, as I can’t find the ticket. The answer set my mind at ease that DR isn’t just for men, though. However, the masculinity scripting is what would show up for men. Maybe something different would show up for women.

There’s a juxtiposition, though, with the Any Gender status being directly next to “General Masculinity” it gets confusing.

These nuances are what make the forum so amazing but also can be more directly expressed. Anyone using SC products should be considered a big boy able to read long texts. Better to have long sales copy and not have people buy it because they’re afraid of the critical thinking required to remember multiple ideas at the same time, rather than have someone buy it or ask questions due to lack of information.

As for the part around fame scripting, I’ll admit that one of my biggest hesitations running stark is that I usually get a bit flustered once i’m the true center of attention. I like being noticed but not WATCHED if you know what I mean. I haven’t run stark so this isn’t personal experience, but a word or two on how stark will also make you more and more comfortable with attention whether you wanted it in that moment or not could be helpful for people like me who probably need fame and notoriety but are just so turned off by it that, i for one, have even turned down offers to run my own coaching business just because I don’t want to put myself out there - even though i’d do well at it.

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#1075

I agree with you, cfw gave me the best social results, it made talking to a crowd very easy, before cfw it wasn’t even possible for me.

I will definitely run the new updated chosen when it is released.

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#1076

You’re making me SUPER excited to see Chosen with the “New X-perience…”

If there’s a chosen that can heal without healing thanks to NXE, it would be a type of Chosen + CFW in one.

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