how is it possible in ZP?
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Like the entire Emperor script (including the romance scripting) or “only” the entire Emperor script related to dominance?
I’m not that surprised, if you look at the objectives of Emperor, HoM and EoG, they share alot of the exact same objectives. Now it could just be a coincidence, but I think they have some similar scripting.
But this is interesting. Then that makes HoM a very dense title, perhaps more advanced than emperor.
@SaintSovereign I remember a while ago in a thread I commented on you compared the vibe of Stark to Jean Luc Picard. This seems to apply here too.
Picard’s dominance was always situational. There were times when dominance was not the right paradigm to take in dealing with a comrade; the most obvious examples of this in my opinion was his mentoring of Data. The next most obvious would be his relationship with Deanna Troi and Wesley. There are definitely times when you want to appear dominant through wisdom or conviction in your morality rather than, as you call it, caveman style.
If I was ever a middle manager, Picard would be how I would approach it. Perhaps if Stark gets a facelift with ZP v2 Max, you could look at emphasizing this aspect of Stark. Always working toward the goal of the mission, but with that subtle goal of making the lives of the people you touch more cognizant of their best face. I think that aspect of Stark is needed in the current environment.
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Isn’t that feeling for the situation and adapting to it PCC in action?
Understand the play of power?
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In my understanding, no. But then, I’ve never run PCC.
My understanding of PCC was it was to prevent you from being manipulated, as well as to develop charisma by applying the Laws of Power.
Picard (and Stark) never seemed to me like the type to apply the kind of Machiavellian rules Greene discussed, instead they operate on a completely different level. But then your experience may be different. I can only speak for what I’ve observed.
There are already subs meant to be stacked to help you get what you wanted… stop tryna change the Genius Billionaire Playboy into this super leader… you have Chosen, PCC, HoM to stack Stark with.
If you want seducer? You got WANTED, WB, S&S, Primal
You want dominance? You got Emperor, Khan, Ascension, GLM:Co
You want more wealth? You got EOG, NR, Mogul
You want more productivity? You got Executive, LE, Limitless, BL
Like hot damn. All these questions can be answered by stacking it with a sub.
Stop tryna turn this into a kitchensink subliminal, Stark does its thang perfectly. Its the sub for guys like me who are trying to start a Software Company with funding from VCs. Its not meant for the middle manager, its for the fucking CEO/Founder. Dammit.
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This is a valid critique of stark cause it does tie into its objective. Trying to raise capital in a boardroom with super high pressure would be a situation where this is relevant
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Stark already has the same iron frame as Emperor in my experience, which amounts to conviction in your ideas. But it also has the ability to compromise where appropriate.
This is one of those places where its important to distinguish between people pleasing and allowing people to be who they are. You don’t want to be pandaing to someones beliefs if they are immoral or obviously wrong, just to raise capital. But you also don’t want to piss people off unnecessarily, like that Shark Tank episode. So you get reconciliation, or at least “difficulty” in those situations. Too bad so sad. I get difficulty / recon regularly while programming. How you figure out how to balance those two extremes is how you move forward on the sub. At least thats my experience.
the way how you described him offended me as a fan of Star Wars
ROFL
Not wrong tho
yeah.
We need Obi-Wan’s charisma title lol. Isn’t that Chosen, btw?
Well, Chosen serves better as the “Picard” sub. Or least that’s what I had in mind when making it. Stark is very much the “charismatic inventor” archetype.
But, I’m open to bringing out more of that charisma and witty conversation that the character Stark was known for. We’re just flat out refusing to make it “Emperor with innovation.”
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I’m a Star Wars fan too. We all know that what drove Anakin to the Dark Side was unresolved childhood issues and feelings of powerlessness that Palpatine was able to sense and take advantage of.
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Anakin made it easy. Can’t blame me for taking advantage of such a golden opportunity.
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A possible variant could be one with relatively less emphasis on generating fame.
It isn’t Stark without that fame. Tony thrives on the attention. If he doesn’t think enough people are talking about him, he is the kind to stir the pot to get ‘em talking
Tony in the earlier movies, anyway. He seems to eschew that more and more as the movies progress.
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Perfectly said, mate.
Just imagine: presenting on 20-400 live audience with some high-status persons present.
Stark was not my choice because of this “airy fairy” vibe.
Emperor helped a lot. I was calm and felt I can “stand my ground”.
I will say its once more - “stand my ground” in intensive situations when:
Live presentation - 20-400 people are listening to me.
Online - 100-6000 (maximum I’v got) people.
Stark lacks this “power” whatever you name it, I didn’t trust Stark in those situation, where my fame / status can go higher or lower.
Emperor is just right.
Please, don’t say “oh, just use Emperor, whats the problem” 
because I will think that Stark is just “a disabled child” that can create fame / celebrity status only on reddit or forums like this one 
But… Stark actually helped me to plan the whole event. I had this “Steve Jobs” vibe, innovative, almost absurd, almost crazy….
But without proper “standing my ground” its useless in those situations for me.
Alas, even additional Iron Frame module in my Stark custom was not enough.
@Fire, @SaintSovereign, I would like you to consider this.
Additional. @SaintSovereign said that he doesn’t want yo make “Emperor with innovation”. Its perfectly for me until Stark can help me to present myself in situations WHERE A SPOTLIGHT IS ON ME.
This includes:
TV broadcast. I was invited to local TV broadcast to speak about some psychological stuff.
Radio broadcast. With a few millions of listeners in my country.
This is fame, this is level then you can influence a mass of people.
I really need more power to back up fame / celebrity effect of Stark.
Do my words are understood, or I should explain it once more in other words?
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Stark is pure charisma and magnetism. I don’t see how anyone fully manifesting the objectives on Stark doesn’t charm his way to success in the two scenarios you presented.
Stark’s power is inspiration, charisma, and leadership. How does this lower your fame/status?
Sounds like you just prefer the vibe of Emperor which is fine…
but Stark definitely had me “standing my ground” in any and all situations around any and all people. Honesty, especially around those with “higher status”…
Stark is MADE for the spotlight even more so then Emperor…how do you define “power” to back up fame?
I think if Stark manifested social pressure you should have stuck with it; one of the main objectives is becoming comfortable with social pressure.
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In this interconnected economy, if you invent something you’re going to be famous for it whether you like it or not. Stark isn’t about becoming famous for no reason. This is Stark ZP, not Kardashian ZP.
If you want to be a brilliant business person or build an innovative business empire, you’re going be famous. Up to you to know how to manage the fame and not let it consume you. Loving the spotlight because of your innovations and business success is one thing. Being an attention whore is something else.
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