Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 2)

[Simon]

@SaintSovereign

Expansiveness
Restrictiveness
Balancing

@SaintSovereign

Stark ZP + Renaissance Man + Mind’s Eye

I feel like ALL of them are Expansive to the NeTiFeSi.
Will wait for a better understanding of the SC Framework.

RM is certainly Balancing as it helps with experiencing & expressing Emotions.

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Right now, Khan stage 4 solo is going great.

I planned to use it as a tool to get myself creating and acting on Vertically Coherent Challenges. My intention was to act more randomly in the beginning and generate a pattern later – like I would on Daredevil or Stark.

K4 ZP however, is bringing Wisdom to my approach. I’m now using Systems Thinking principles to make decisions … something I’d expect from EOG, but not Khan.

This is a bit too mature for a social dominant archetype.

[AlexanderGraves]

@SaintSovereign

I studied the MBTI in-depth for quite some time about a decade ago. Note that it’s not a “personality test,” it’s actually a cognitive function test. It measures how you perceive, catalog, dissect and act on information.

I was gonna say this. Because my result of this test changed 3 times in my life so far.
Currently I am an INFP-A, apparently. I never was the E but the other things changed, which is weird to me. But that might be my Gemini nature

@SaintSovereign

and realized just how much I was enjoying just being outside and existing. The world had more color and I’ve never felt more connected to nature and all of humanity.

Well, anyone who travels the path of Enlightenment (whatever the fuck that means (and I am by no means that guy, I don’t know shit)) will eventually realize, he was mostly trying to escape reality of the physical world by daydreaming about a much better astral place.
This then is when you truly integrate spirituality in your soul. When you accept there is more, you may even spend time astral projecting and aligning yourself with Astrology. You learn about manifestations, etc. Maybe you even do magick. But in the end, your life is lived on this planet. This is where you need to set things right.

Still, reducing the ego to a healthy place in this externally validated society is a good path to tread.

Also, is that really Hermit? It reads like him, for sure

[Lion]

@SaintSovereign

@James

What about a great stack for an INTJ?

Depends on the goal and the person (since again, the MBTI is a cognitive function test and not personality), but generally speaking, something you’d enjoy:

Emperor + Limitless + True Social.

For those wondering how I’m coming up with these (in addition to knowing the functional stacks of the various MBTI types and how they interact), it’s part of an unfinished, theoretical framework we’re working on that will help us develop a strategy that you can use to analyze your life and determine which titles should be in your stack. The basic idea, which we’ll explain later, is:

Expansiveness
Restrictiveness
Balancing

Oh man! I really like this concept and analysis. Now am really curious for the INFJ stack. My guess is that it will have Renaissance Man in it.

When this framework is done, it would be a valuable addition to the Support Hub.

[AlexanderGraves]

@Budewr

Although i disagree with just running titles that only fits your “personality “ or whatever you call it. Cause we want to run subs to fix our issues. Our lackings and our short comings.

I have a theory about this from spending decades as someone I am not (then again, I am INFP so I def need a sense of purpose, as well as a bunch of spiritual placements, so that might just be me).

Find yourself first, then fix issues. Or rather, focus your MAJOR sub around your personality to gel nice, and use the other 2 slots to add skills that you need.

For example, here is how I PLAN to run subs going forward.
Stark seems to run VERY well for me, although I am not E. But the sub will likely make me just an introvert that is public. I will run it with Chosen and RM at some point, to see which one becomes my actual major sub.

This then I will run for quite a while as the Major slot.
Then I add 2 subs that either are result enhancers (like ME) or add things I need (like more money, or sexual).

MAJOR: Stark
Result Enhancer: ME
Skill: Primal Seduction for the sexual edge

Then after 21 days, I rotate
MAJOR: Stark or RM
Result Enhancer: Limitless, QL, etc
Skill: RICH

Rinse, repeat.

I mean, this is how I built my customs. The Major cores to aid the personality I have, supercharged, result enhancers to maximize, and a bunch of skills I need, like money.
I think this makes sense to run the actual stack similar.

On another note, Astrology also helps you a lot to find a sub that works for you. But it’s not easy to learn that
You can also use Jungians Archetypes if you want and match them to the subs. But I do think, first running something close to your personality is helpful.

And then there’s healing, which is its own thing

[Deadpool]

Damn, I did the personality test and had ISTJ-T

[friday]

@StateOfBeing

You can run Khan ZP because your custom is not just the khan core

[Invictus]

@MadaraUchiha

im genuinely confused why anyone would ever run 3 products at the same time.

The recommendation has always been a MAX of 3 products per stack.
This is due to the fact that 3 is the maximum number of subs you can use, while getting all the results, with optimal speed.

Everyone is different, because of which, their capacity to handle subs, and executing them per day, changes.
You might believe that running a sub alone can give the best results, but here I am, running 3 main subs, with a 4th sub on the side (depending on my mood), without any diminishing results.

So my point: 3 is generally the maximum number of subs allowed to be in a stack, but some perform better with less subs, doesn’t mean recommending 3 is wrong, or counterproductive.
Hope that helps.

[anon2351792]

Well this is quite an unexpected result, but digging in it, it does make some sense.

[AlexanderGraves]

Interesting, those 30 days of staying power wasn’t mentioned anywhere before, was it?

It should also be mentioned, that the baseline still stays higher. So - IMO - it’s not that after 30 days of your last Sex Mastery sub, you now suck in bed.

The more you run them, the more they become your new reality, each loop at a time.

Still, 30 days is REALLY long and explains a lot why I still get recon from CFW sometimes

[DarkPhilosopher]

@SaintSovereign

When has anyone ever seen myself, Fire, RVconsultant or DarkPhilosopher say that subliminals are the key to being “set free?”

Everyone who has been here long enough knows our motto: Take action.

Here we observe a man boldly taking questionable action towards freedom. The sad expression is due to seriously underestimating the chafing effects of horseback riding in a Kilt. I’m sure it seemed like a good idea at the time.

< / JOKE >

[Budewr]

@Malkuth

It sounds like it’s channeling your strengths in order to help you grow (in your preferred direction) and expand.

So do you think the better approach in your opinion is to make your strong points more stronger and powerful to balance the shortcomings of the side that is less powerful?

i was wondering actually past couple of a days wondering about if i should go with this approach or just focus on my strong points and thus it will balance my overall skills

Or i should focus on the side that i suck at and improve it so i could have both skills ina. Good shape at least

But i also know that no one is perfect like you have to have one side stronger than the other. Its the way of life

So what is your opinion friend, what approach do you take, would love to hear some perspective:)

[Budewr]

@AlexanderGraves

Find yourself first, then fix issues. Or rather, focus your MAJOR sub around your personality to gel nice, and use the other 2 slots to add skills that you need.

Yes! I think this will be the best approach!

Stark is awesome i loved that sub. It gels so nice with me very awesome.

I ditched it for emperor, which didnt work well for me. Its something im kinda not good at

But this theory is awesome, like a major sub that gels with you. And 2 sides for the skills you lack!

@Malkuth helped me with that idea too

Like i got kinda depressed or not feeling so good of running titles that are so slow in results like emperor

But if i take this approach of a main sub that gels so nicely with me. And add 2 subs thats needed for some skills (like ascension for discipline and inner power) (paragon for healing my body)

That would be an awesome idea, actually thats the best approach i think to take.

I got really disappointed of running titles that dont gel with me that are super sloww man like really slow, but theyre actually the best choices to kill my shortcomings

But this approach is basically GG EZ

LETSSSS GOOOO

[Budewr]

Also how do i decide which sub to use on which day?

Like if i use 3 titles

Ascension + Stark + Paragon

How do i decide on which to play when?

Is it better for me to play stark alone ?

Or ascension lets say alone i have some issues with the sub the most.

Cause i know you have to go like this

Day 1: 1x first ZP title 1x 2nd ZP title
Day 2 : OFF
Day 3 : 1x 3rd ZP title

Like how do i decide what to run when? Like if i struggle mostly with ascension is it better to play it alone on the 3rd day?

Or is it better lets say to play a title that gels with me greatly like stark on the 3rd day?

Or maybe it doesn’t matter?

[Fractal_Explorer]

@AlexanderGraves

For example, here is how I PLAN to run subs going forward.
Stark seems to run VERY well for me, although I am not E. But the sub will likely make me just an introvert that is public. I will run it with Chosen and RM at some point, to see which one becomes my actual major sub.

Being an INFP as well I never considered stark long term. I had it in a custom at one point but never really returned to it. The fame and attention were both something I wanted and didn’t want at the same time. I’m very paradoxical in that respect. So it confused me whether I had limiting beliefs or it was something I genuinely had no desire for.

But by any chance do you know your enneagram type?

[Budewr]

@Fractal_Explorer

The fame and attention were both something I wanted and didn’t want at the same time

I feel the same way as you do.

I actually dont know how do i feel about fame in general

Its weird.

Enegrams test .i just discovered that recently

I think im 4 wing 7 or something like that

Hahaha i know you wasnt talking to me but i thought i would share.

Its weird aint it? Like the internet. Like you could talk over someone and you wouldnt be rude for doing so hahahah

[Fractal_Explorer]

Fame is a tricky one for sure. That’s the reason I’ve avoided stark. That sort of indecisiveness could actually be the tip of the iceberg of a way bigger issue lurking beneath the surface. Or it could be a preference. Hard to know without actually running it.

I think that’s what the alignment of ZP boils down to. Choose things that you feel are immediately in alignment and you don’t have to fight so much to get in place.

Having said that there are famous people who get attention by virtue of just being themselves without trying to be famous. The sort of authentically admired individuals. So in that respect I guess INFPs could thrive on Stark because I’ve found a lot of them are very loyal to their own internal values and practice authenticity. Hmmmm got me thinking now lol

[TheDerpinator]

Ithink the main decider is if you like getting attention. Some people just wanna be left alone, meanwhile others, enjoy recognition. You dont have to be famous and attentionseeking to run stark. You do have to be okay with getting a lot of recognition though, either within your own groups, or in your community as a whole.

[Athanaxos]

@Fire

Don’t cheat yourself out of the growth by trying to get around the recommendations in pursuit of greater gains.

All I have to say to this is damn, I love you guys

[Budewr]

@Fractal_Explorer

Hmmmm got me thinking now lol

I think any infp would love stark easily,

Check out their reddit r/infp hahaha fun stuff

But i cant relate to everything there. But its very fun and a friendly subreddit

Lets go infps

[AlexanderGraves]

@Fractal_Explorer

Being an INFP as well I never considered stark long term.

I only run it because Saint mentioned in a post that if you run Stark as an Introvert, it’ll most likely make you Steve Jobs like. He was a FAMOUS introvert, wasn’t he?

Also, since I have an online business, fame is necessary (social media, etc) even though I don’t feel like directly talking on stages, although ever since running Stark, I feel like this would be OK also

I gotta say, though. Running CFW made me realize that while being an introvert, the FEAR of being on stage was really just that. A fear.
You can be famous but introverted. You rather work on your craft at home alone, but you’re still famous for it.

@Fractal_Explorer

But by any chance do you know your enneagram type?

I don’t even know what that is