Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 2)

#745

100% permanence isn’t possible. You’re always being programmed by something – if it isn’t a subliminal of your choosing, it’s society. The human mind is a dynamic, ever changing system. There’s no way to force it to be completely static, and you wouldn’t want that anyway. The things you desire now won’t be the things you desire in 10 years. Change is good.

That being said, the lessons you learn when running a sub, and much of the scripting will always remain with you in some form or fashion. The things I learned while running the sub I created to develop Zero Point still remain with me, but it’s not as prominent as before. Those who run Zero Point for the first time often reports a feeling of connectedness with the self and the universe that feels uncanny (what we call the Zero Point Perspective Shift), but that stops occurring eventually as you become acclimated to the lessons.

In order for a sub to be a tool of growth and not a “programming tool,” 100% permanence can never be possible.

That’s the long answer. The short answer: 3 cycles of a sub should get you quite far.

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-=ZP=- Reshaping Myself: Emperor/Heartsong/Spartan
Unofficial frequently asked questions
#746

and that’s another answer bookmarked.

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#747

A neat way of saying " maturing"

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#748

On another note, do you recommend longer washouts than the 5 days every now and then?

Like a month ?

#749

How would Wanted and Heartsong stack together? I remember reading that if the Wanted archetype doesn’t gel with a person, then Heartsong would be better suited or something like that.

Would Heartsong + Wanted just manifest more women to be hot and cold to? That just so happens to be ones ideal type? :grin:

Thank you

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#750

Same doubt .
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#751

Yeah but I remember on QV2 he was doing one BIG washout once a year for like a month.

Timeframes might be off, but smith like that on the top of my head.

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#752

anyone here running 3 title a day of ZP other than @Trader ?
anyone having a good run doing so ?

i feel like with the 3 zp titles its so much less exposure when doing like the recommended listening pattern

#753

Just follow the pattern dude.

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#754

Well obviously the recommended is twice less compared to 3 a day

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#755

Off topic I know, but your avatar gives me a lot of aesthetic pleasure. I get the impression that is the colour of your all-encompassing vibe :sunglasses:

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#756

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#757

Haha thanks dude, I’ve changed it a lot recently - trying to find the perfect fit but this is the one I’ve settled on most.

I guess that’s what running Alchemist does to me haha.

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#758

He’s right tho.

Stop trying to figure out ways to run more loops. I know you specifically didn’t say that, but why do you even ask that question?

I really feel Saint on this haha
Must be frustrating :smiley:

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#759

I know sometimes my post come across blunt and rude, but they’re always well intentioned.

This is also why I say it, because I literally feel how Saint must feel from this and it’s frustrating af seeing people trying to run more than 3 programs, more loops, or whatever else they’re doing.

B. This isn’t aimed at you, just a general thing.

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#760

Yup me.

Depends on what you define as good. I’m getting great results, but I also dealt with recon regularly throughout the entire cycle. The recon got better sure, but I lived with recon regularly.

Well less exposure is better for ZP to take effect. The only reason why I ran 3 subs a day was to test the ultima/booster effect of ZP, with MTMX (my conclusion: it works :joy: ).

With the listening pattern that I was using, I actually ended up with 1 less loop than I would have had I followed the recommendations. I was also listening to the subs for 7 minute loops instead of the full 15. I was taking weekends off, and still lived with recon regularly.

I’m currently on my washout, but when that’s over I plan on going back to 2 subs, with slight modifications to the listening pattern.

So do I recommend it? No, not at all.

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#761

Just a sidenote, I normally don’t realize I’m in recon until after the fact (unless it’s in the form of a headache). It’s day 3 of my washout and only now am I realizing all of the recon that I went through throughout the cycle without realizing it, whether that be acting defensive, snapping at people, getting frustrated easily, not being productive and just generally being lazy.

If you’re anything like me, where you don’t realize recon until after the fact, I highly recommend avoiding 3 subs a day.

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#762

Consider this too, @Budewr .

Long-Term Effects

When Saint and Fire offer listening guidelines, those guidelines are taking into account the most probable short-term, mid-term, and long-term effects of a particular pattern of listening. Their guidelines are intended to maximize the benefits in each of these timeframes. They are able to make the recommendations because of data they have collected (and are continuing to collect) from a large-number of people over varying lengths of time. (I think.)

In contrast, when each of us individually reports on his or her process and on her or his results, it is typically within a fairly brief period of time (for example, “I did this for 1 day and this is what happened to me” or “I did this for 2 weeks and boy was it wild!”)

On top of this, the experience being described is based on a whopping group size of (drum roll please…) 1. Yup. As many as one whole people. How conclusive is that? And how likely is it it to generalize to you? Most importantly, how likely is it to indicate the long-term effects of following that practice? And how long and how patiently are you willing to experiment with it to find out?

Open-ended experimentation is awesome. But it’s most appropriate for people who are not deeply emotionally committed to a specific outcome. If you already have many of the results that you want, and you’re here for the sheer adventure of exploring your mind, then have at it. Run your experiments.

But you know what? Pretty much no one here is in that category. You know how you can tell? Because everyone keeps asking, ‘When is this going to work?’ "Is this working?’ Those are not questions that even occur to a pure experimenter. A pure experimenter only asks, ‘What is happening?’ ‘What am I observing?’ and then reports on the answers to those questions.

Here’s one more piece of food for thought.

Half-life

ZP programs have a longer half-life than non-ZP programs.

That’s why you don’t need to play them so much.

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#763

Malkuth’s excellent reply (as always) reminded me of an important fact for me as well: I’m on a time limit of running and testing out specific subs until April. I’m trying to get as much exposure to MTMX (and long term programming) as I can before I have to drop it, which is another major reason behind running a 3 sub per day pattern.

So unless you’re in a situation that calls for it, you shouldn’t run 3 subs a day. And even if you are in that situation, I still say you shouldn’t.

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#764

Now you tell me
Jeez

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