Main Disc. Thread - Khan Black: The Crucible (Custom Core Now Available!)

[Furkan]

@emperor_obewan

“Like this” is accurate. You’re not really looking at your subconscious.

Exercises with mirrors have been a staple in esoteric practice for thousands of years. Paschal Beverley Randolph and the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor were especially fond of them.

The key to the mirror gazing exercise is to remain in a state of constant presence and maintain self control. It’s said that if you continue with this exercise you can arrive at a state of being beyond time, which leads to being able to perceive different times. The pineal is stimulated with this exercise, and there are aspects to it which approximate Lefebure’s phosphenism.

If anyone tries this mirror exercise, if you’re religious or spiritual, I’d recommend you engage in whatever protective exercises are best suited to you before going ahead with it. Even though the exercise is relatively safe, there is potential for self deception with the visuals that occur, and it’s not recommended if you’re mentally or emotionally unstable (in the sense of clincally so).

interesting

[SaintSovereign]

@RagnarLothbrok

The outside world is a mirror to the subconscious mind, when i started using subliminals i noticed how the world around me is changing

Than after some time i realized that the world stayed the same, it was i who changed, my perception changed

When i healed and became more empathetic, not narcissistic and insecure anymore, suddenly people became more empathetic and their bad behaviour towards me stopped

Looking backwards, they never treated me bad (not all of them), it’s my perception who changed

When i became more authentic using Primal, suddenly people around me are more authentic, are they though? Or is it just my perception that changed?

The physical world is the mirror to your subconscious

This.

[SaintSovereign]

@emperor_obewan

“Like this” is accurate. You’re not really looking at your subconscious.

I beg to disagree.

Everything you look at is a projection of your own subconscious. Every action you take, every thought is an externalization of the subconscious mind.

Even when I look at someone else, I am not seeing an objective truth, but merely my perception of what appears to be “objective,” as defined by my subconscious impulses. Case in point, how I can find a woman incredibly beautiful and you might believe she is hideous and she might think that she is just “normal.”

Who is right? What objective standard exists to say what is beautiful? The only truth that a person can definitively claim is “I exist,” and even that is questionable according to many ancient spiritual traditions, once you start considering how to define “existence.”

This mirror exercise seems to be a method of causing deep subconscious fears to emerge through force by staring at yourself until you have no other choice but to face what’s hidden inside. In other words, you are looking at a projection of your subconscious. When another person is looking at your reflection, they will literally see something different than you.

There is really no need for exercises like this if you are running NSE, since it helps you manifest daily positive occurrences that help shape your life toward what you want the most. Thus, there is no need to force the “revelation of the subconscious,” through this. That’s the reason why you need spiritual protection to even try it, because you are attempting to unveil dark energies within you (since that’s the physical nature of thought — energy) in a fast manner rather than a slow methodical unfolding of what’s within where you can then neutralize any deep internal darkness or negativity before it can completely emerge.

Obviously, everyone — I’m not suggesting that nothing is “real” and you should go out acting like that. What I am suggesting is that you question how you think about things and make that an actual daily thing. See how quick your life changes when you do. This the whole reason why we push taking action. The experiences that arise from it becomes the mirror in such your subconscious is projected. Treat every one of them like a lesson from yourself and genuinely try to learn from them and watch how quickly you begin to change.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@SaintSovereign

There is really no need for exercises like this if you are running NSE, since it helps you manifest daily positive occurrences that help shape your life toward what you want the most. Thus, there is no need to force the “revelation of the subconscious,” through this. That’s the reason why you need spiritual protection to even try it, because you are attempting to unveil dark energies within you (since that’s the physical nature of thought — energy) in a fast manner rather than a slow methodical unfolding of what’s within where you can then neutralize any deep internal darkness or negativity before it can completely emerge.

I love seeing this mentality when it comes to growth and change. Some of us grow up being told the world is shit and you have to prepare for it and learn to be disappointed early on. It’s just nice to know the underlying philosophy behind the growth with NSE is essentially go at your own pace.

[Akephalos]

Is NSE the zp2 max update?From what i understood In a nutshell it generates experiences to makes us act and therefore fulfill subs goals? Can someone clarify

[Lichtenauer]

Could you clarify your question?
All NSE titles are ZPv2max.

@SaintSovereign

All of the STKS titles are ZP v2 MAX in some way.

So are all NFTW titles.
Since KB was part of STKS, it falls under this definition. KB is thereby ZPv2max.
But it didn’t get an NSE update yet.

I’m guessing they’re waiting for more results from other titles until they upgrade huge titles like EoG, Khan or KB to make them even better.

[Tomcat]

I agree.

[emperor_obewan]

Okay we’ll agree to disagree. And your description of the mirror exercise only shows me you haven’t done the exercise I’m referring to, may even be talking about completely different exercises.

I mean, come on! “Dark energies”? “In a fast manner”? Give me a break!

[Prioritas]

I think the exercise Saint is referring to is staring at yourself in the mirror for an extended period of time. If you don’t shift your focus your mind begins to confront itself, and that can bring up the parts of ourselves that we keep hidden due to shame, guilt, anger, or other negatively charged emotions. Hence “dark energies” and the speed of intensity being higher than NSE.

I don’t remember you having such a holier-than-thou attitude friend, hope everything’s ok

[SaintSovereign]

@Prioritas

I think the exercise Saint is referring to is staring at yourself in the mirror for an extended period of time. If you don’t shift your focus your mind begins to confront itself, and that can bring up the parts of ourselves that we keep hidden due to shame, guilt, anger, or other negatively charged emotions. Hence “dark energies” and the speed of intensity being higher than NSE.

This is precisely what I meant.

[emperor_obewan]

If it’s done properly, the mirror exercise will not produce those described results. The only reason something like that might occur is if you don’t maintain a state of presence and let your mind run away with itself. Like I said, presence and self control are key.

I don’t want later readers to assume that just because you’re confronting some emotion or past event that this is a good thing. It is a side-effect, and you don’t want to react to any emotion or thought that arises in this state but simply maintain that state of presence. Only then you’ll be able to make progress with the exercise.

[SaintSovereign]

Again, I am going to tell everyone to proceed with caution when attempting to engage in such practices without a teacher or guru to guide them. Case in point:

@emperor_obewan

The only reason something like that might occur is if you don’t maintain a state of presence and let your mind run away with itself.

You may disagree with what I’m about to say, but I will quickly counter with the fact that we have much more data regarding the individuals that visit this forum and the customer base as a whole, and I can assure you that the number of individuals who are able to completely quiet their minds for even 5 seconds, or demonstrate a level of mental control to engage in these practices are exceptionally low.

This is why we generally warn against these types of discussions here. The resurgence of interest in the ancient mysteries and paganism as a whole – fueled mostly by social media bots – is causing people to engage in very dangerous practices without looking into them.

We get so many support tickets with people asking if we can help “fix their energetic systems” because they saw some TikTok video and decided to do advanced energetic meditation techniques without proper preparation and fried their systems.

So – everyone, please be exceptionally careful when engaging with any practice like this, especially if you’re running Khan Black, since it’s already very very slowly helping you clean your energetic system.

[emperor_obewan]

@SaintSovereign

This is why we generally warn against these types of discussions here.

Who was it again who first posted about the mirror?

@SaintSovereign

causing people to engage in very dangerous practices without looking into them.

Of course, becoming present to yourself is very dangerous.
(That was sarcasm)

If you didn’t want people to share their opinion and experience, why ask the question in post #2012?

You use charged words in your response “ancient mysteries and paganism as a whole”. But the practice in question comes from neither. You then compare this process of presence through the mirror to “advanced energetic meditation techniques”. Again, this comparison is not accurate.

You advocate “taking action” as a means to allow the sub to bear fruit. Well, that is exactly what this is. Perhaps you are concerned that people will read about different mirror exercises on other sites and then blame where they got the idea from. I don’t know. But I will not recant the idea that sustained presence to your own self as taught in pretty much every tradition worth its salt is key to personal development and can pair with Khan Black extremely well. It is incredible that I need to point this out in the current day, but there you go.

[SaintSovereign]

@emperor_obewan

Exercises with mirrors have been a staple in esoteric practice for thousands of years. Paschal Beverley Randolph and the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor were especially fond of them.

Umm. From a quick Google search regarding those names:

The latter was largely derived from the works of Paschal Beverly Randolph (1825-1875), the American spiritualist, “Rosicrucian,” and founder of the Brotherhood of Eulis. The H.B. of L.’s practice centered on the use of the magic mirror to develop concentration, will, and, and on the integration of sex into the spiritual path.

Um.

From: Rosicrucian | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica

Rosicrucian teachings are a combination of occultism and other religious beliefs and practices, including Hermeticism, Jewish mysticism, and Christian Gnosticism. The central feature of Rosicrucianism is the belief that its members possess secret wisdom that was handed down to them from ancient times.

AKA, the ancient sacred mysteries, or “paganism.” Choose one. I do not care, since I am neither for, or against them. I simply do not want that here.

In other words, like I said – stuff linked to things that have nothing to do with subliminal use and things we don’t want discussed here, because we do not need people harming themselves out of ignorance as a whole, regardless of who they “blame” for what happens. That’s the end of it.

From:

PLEASE READ: Official Campfire Policy

EDIT 5: Added a new rule regarding discussion of whether subliminal audio is “against” the doctrine of any particular faith or religion. We consider the creation and use of subliminal audio a science and an extension of natural processes that occur within the human mind and body and as such, is not “occult,” but rather a part of an emerging deeper understanding of humanity and reality. And as such, since history has shown that singular individuals declaring that they alone can discern the will o…

Added a new rule regarding discussions of the occult and sacred mysteries. Y’all already know to what kind of discussion and individuals this mostly applies to, but basically just avoid going too deep into the sacred mysteries and occult to the point where a new individual who has never before met such ideas (or one of a weak psyche) will run away screaming from or start creating conspiracies. This is not a ban on all spiritual discussion, so please do not take it like that and continue developing yourself in all areas - use your best judgement.

[Lichtenauer]

My little sad story with the mirror.
9 years ago, while studying catholic theology, I had a Burnout out and a serious depression.
One of my closest friends ended our friendship with a letter. In it, she recommended just to stand infront of a mirror and look me into the eye.
Nothing special. No long instructions, no book, no exercise. Just this one short sentence.
I did it. I was confronted with my destroyed self.
This was the moment I was closest to suicide in my whole life.
This exercise is no joke. Especially if you aren’t well.
After quite some healing, I did it again last year for a few minutes and it was a great learning experience.
So I can only full-heartedly support @SaintSovereign 's advice to guard you according to your spiritual tradition if you’re not feeling like super on top.

[Deadpool]

@Akephalos

Does anyone know how we can expand the amount of subconscious input we can process?

This is just my opinion but I am in the belief that QL can help.
Maybe because of this

• • Unite your hemispheres as well as your subconscious and conscious minds, increase the communication between them.*

With upgrading of your brain and with better connection between subconscious and conscious I would guess that processing of subs would be better.

[Leandros]

Sorry but what exactly is this mirror practice?

I just don’t get it

[Lichtenauer]

Basically it’s just

1. Stand in front of a mirror
2. Look at you for a period of time.

You can fixate on your eyes, watch your whole face, just let the thing do it’s thing, try to peek into your soul…

Depending on your state of mind, that can be a smooth experience, a great learning, or devastating as in my case.

Therefore be careful and take protective measures. Especially with the things you described with your trip.

[Sungaze]

@SaintSovereign

In other words, like I said – stuff linked to things that have nothing to do with subliminal use and things we don’t want discussed here, because we do not need people harming themselves out of ignorance as a whole, regardless of who they “blame” for what happens. That’s the end of it.

What is considered taking action for a energetic subliminal like KB?

It is extremely recommended to do your research into developing your sexual energetics…

Can we talk about daoist practices, tantric and similar here in the forum?

[BlissAdventurer]

@SaintSovereign @emperor_obewan

Since using WB, this is the only mirror exercise I do is: look at the shifting in my face, glow in my face and my eyes. Talk to myself “I am fucking awesome”. Then I start my day