Main Dev. Thread - Alchemist

Product Discussion
#123

Guys, I’ve already asked once to stop gatekeeping. Like I said before, it’s one thing to note the dedication practitioners needed in the past to succeed (our consultant has been an avid practitioner for a LONG time).

It’s another thing to continually harp on how everyone who has big dreams and aspirations regarding this are just “delusional” simply because they don’t conform to the notion that you have to be special to perform certain feats, or the process can’t be sped up exponentially.

You haven’t seen the script. You haven’t seen the system. You haven’t met the advisor behind the project, who has proven their skill multiple times AND agrees that the process to learn these skills have been needlessly complicated. You don’t know what’s going to come out of this over time.

At this point, you’re declaring your skepticism as dogma, not informed opinion, and now you’re “challenging” people with the whole “prove me wrong with your journal” thing. Stop. You’ll only discourage people from trying, and will derail the data we need to improve the platform to the point where we can do amazing things.

I was warned that the public wasn’t ready for something so ambitious, that they would destroy the platform before it even had a chance to thrive. Let’s not prove that warning correct.

Subliminal Club’s long term mission is to advance human potential. We cannot do that if every time we attempt something new and novel, we’re held back by those wanting to restrict us to the knowledge of the past. Progress cannot be made that way.

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#124

It is not harping, it is a discussion.

That’s entirely the point here. Hype is just the opposite extreme of skepticism. You’re calling out skepticism, we’re calling out hype, what’s the difference?

And nobody’s trying to held you back, we are just saying people to plan well before starting this endeavor.
But whatever, my message is not being understood.

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#125

I’m not calling out skepticism. I’m not calling out the tempering of expectations (which I just stated, the manual and official marketing will address, AND we’re doing a test to get a baseline). I’m calling out dogma. Skepticism is reserving judgment until all the facts are known. That’s not what’s happening here. What’s happening here is people literally saying “based on my past experience, there’s NO WAY this can be done.”

Case in point:

This is dogma. You’re basically saying that based on your singular experience and the perceived experience of people you claim to know about, there’s only one outcome. That’s different from saying, “gents, we should temper our expectations because hype can be just as a dangerous to the mission as dogma.”

And to make things worse, @void started doing this:

This isn’t what Subliminal Club is about. We’re not here to turn a person’s self-development into a pissing match. We’re here to determine what Alchemist is capable of – good or bad – WITHOUT walking into it with the burden of the past weighing on us.

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#126

You don’t know the difference between a point of view and a dogma. If we’re going by your logic, then whatever you have been saying until now is dogma too. This word is just too strong for this discussion.
Honesty you seem to get a lot defensive, that was just a discussion about hype and whether beliefs can have a significant process in learning. You took things so far as to call opinions dogma and talking about trying to held SubC back. This is NOT the point here.

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#127

@Orion, if you can’t see the difference between saying “temper expectations,” and “you’re all delusional,” then I can’t help you. However, I am issuing you an official warning, as you’re now resorting to personal attacks. Next will be a temporary ban. If you want to discuss this further, make a thread in The Emperor’s Lounge discussing the limitations of subliminals.

There’s no reason why this topic should become so heated. We simply want to enter into this project without the burden of “what people in the past” did. One cannot progress if we constantly allowing the constraints of the past to guide the future.

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#128

Excuse me where is the personal attack?

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#129

You may discuss it with me in PM, and the topic of subliminal expectations in The Emperor’s Lounge.

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#130

Fine but I am frankly disappointed. I’ll see myself out.

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#131

Guys, is me the only one who has this “what a fu*k is going on here?!” feeling? :slight_smile:

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#132

Exactly why I’m trying to redirect this particular conversation to The Emperor’s Lounge. This thread is for questions and issues regarding the development of the Alchemist title / platform, so let’s stay on topic. Again, anyone wanting to discuss the topic of tempering expectations for this subliminal and any other may post freely about it in The Emperor’s Lounge.

EDIT: In fact, I’ve made a thread for it.

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#133

I am not mate because you are alreadly telling yourself its not possible whiich plants the seed in your head it aint going to work.

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#134

@DarkPhilosopher Is it possible to astral travel into the future ?.

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#135

@TheBoxingScientist Have you done any meditation?

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#136

I kind of meditate when listening to libertine and true social by lying on my bed. I also did 2 lessons of yoga.

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#137

That’s good, it’s a start. Although to get the full benefit of the Alchemist program, I would imagine that the meditations will have to become a habit.

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#138

Void i believe you are correct. Once i commit myself to this practice each day. It will become a habit :blush:.

I am so excited about this product. !.

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#139

“The” future? Do you believe there’s only one possible future? The moment you went there, your knowledge of it would likely affect your actions in the present, which in turn either altered or produced said future. The lovely mechanics of the time paradox.

I’ve only ever heard of remote viewing other moments in time, in most of the cases unintentional. Actual astral travel through time like Saint mentions above? Honestly, I don’t know. Maybe for someone that has the wisdom to do it responsibly. I’m imagining Yoda instructing me on the dangers of such a thing as I’m typing this post. It would take not just skill, but also wisdom. Perhaps those people that have achieved it are keeping it to themselves for that very reason.

The field of multi-dimensional physics recognizes up to 11 dimensions. By default we perceive 3 dimensions. For every dimension you add into the equation, it would take exponentially increased effort. Not only would the perception of more than 3 dimensions appear alien to us, we would also have to learn to let go of all our expectations or we may end up in our own imagination of said future instead. Don’t underestimate how difficult that last one is.

Start small, building your successes from there.

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#140

Duuuh I would be happy if I get only 5 % of results above

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#141

@DarkPhilosopher i suspect that if we do use the product to astral project into the future. The worst that could happen is a new time line might be generated.

Sovereign and Fire are creating a very powerful tool. I hope people dontt abuse thus super power.

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#142

It’s unlikely, even if this were possible, that a singular person would be able to accomplish such a feat. While I don’t agree with the approach the others took in their messaging, we SHOULD be careful not to delve into complete fantasy from the start. As I’ve been saying all day, let’s just see what happens without huge expectations or none at all.

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