Main Dev. Thread - Alchemist

@Avengers68 Interesting, but amusing. Still, it was to be expected… at the end of the day discernment is indeed a quality difficult to attain these days. People hardly take the time to read one sentence from beginning to end and to actually think about what they read. To take the time to digest those implications. No, these days almost everyone knows the truth, they’ve seen it all. Know this, I have no interest to debate these topics with you or anyone else, and especially not here in the Alchemist thread.

I’ll say this though… you being Asian means nothing to me. I’ve done enough travelling and met enough people to know that confused people are everywhere. That’s why you have to many fake teachers, because they find plenty of victims in every region of the globe. And while I agree that the majority of these so called chi masters are frauds, there are a few authentic masters still left. If you look hard enough, you might find them…

As for chi energy and kundalini, it would take an essay just to scratch the surface of these forces. I’ll tell you this though, if I’ve been able to develop internal energy after a few years of training, one can only imagine what decades can do for a person.

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No problem, but just remember that illusion is everywhere. Good luck !

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Guys if you think subliminals will magically awake kundalini or allow you astral travel. You are going to be disappointed.

The subs will work with you not for you !. So keep this in mind.

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There are a lot of people out there who had a kundalini awakening and had a very rough ride that lasted for many years. I think kundalini is not something you want to awaken unless you’ve done a lot of work and cleared out most of your blockages. I know a person who was debilitated because of it. There is a lot of misinformation out there about kundalini. Like, if you awaken kundalini, you’ll be permanently in bliss and you’ll have a whole bunch of special powers. It’s mostly bs. If your energy system is not sufficiently cleared and prepared, chances are, you’re in for a hell ride.

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Vlad i realize that. The problem is its human nature especially for the kids of this generation to want instant gratification.

They want magical scripts in the subs that make women pull down their panties. Or subliminals that make your muscles grow without going to the gym.

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Well, I have imagined at times the absolutely naughty things one could do with a very light touch of psychokinesis on a woman’s body. :slight_smile:

I actually met a guy once that could look at a girls behind so intently, she jumped around thinking somebody just slapped her on it. You know how sometimes people know when you’re staring at them. He just took that to the next level. Of course, in both scenarios it took the girls in question about 2-3 seconds to pinpoint who was looking at them. Funny how they can follow the stream of intent without even realizing they are doing it.

I think a lot of people, especially the younger generations, want to feel something, anything, they can’t explain. Feeling the sudden rush of Kundalini Shakti even if it’s a very bad rollercoaster ride is still something.

Not just that, but for some people it makes them feel special. With our current world population and lack of a proper nurturing environment, I think a lot of people are starting to feel too small and insignificant. They are looking for purpose and for their own uniqueness.

And now on a more positive note, won’t be long before people can start testing rvX. I wonder what will happen. Can you imagine what it would be like if the test were an astounding success? I just have to hope the testers take it seriously and put their full attention on it.

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Funny you posted this. Just one minute ago, I was google searching the words distance healing and psychokinesis.

I think a lot of people, especially the younger generations, want to feel something, anything, they can’t explain. Feeling the sudden rush of Kundalini Shakti even if it’s a very bad rollercoaster ride is still something.

I think this is explainable. People want to feel something to because that is the best way to know that what ever modality they are paying for is really working. From my personal experience, there was a period of time when I sought the help of a lot of so-called “healers” (reiki, theta healing, quantum healing you name it and I have tried it) to assist me with some mental health issues. I tried both face-to-face and long distance healing.

I never felt a single damn thing after going through all the therapies and my problems still continued to bug me. One of them even told me in my face I had so much resistance in my body after he put his hands over me, and that I had to pay for a few additional sessions to clear to blockages. God knows how much I spent on these people, who would just tell me “You won’t feel anything but it’s actually working”. With so many online and offline quacks around, people want to know that whatever type of healing or guided meditation service they are paying for is real, and not to be told that “it’s working - you just can’t feel it”.

Sometimes, I was wondering whether I should become one of these “healers” myself. Just move my hands around my patient, babble some new-agey words and say to him, “it’s working - you just can’t feel it.” And then I will tell him no refund.

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Believe me, when I give a Reiki session, they can feel it clearly (I tested it through a wall not so long ago). Not saying it works, but they can feel the energy. I have somewhat less success with distance sessions since the threshold for belief is a lot higher. And I do think that as much as the energy exists and wants to work, our own belief has a strong influence on its effectiveness.

I know those people that have had an in-person healing session with Chunyi Lin have described some amazing effects. But once again, you don’t pay for one of those unless you’re already a strong believer.

I’m actually looking into quantum healing now, in combination with ultra-depth hypnosis that someone mentioned. I love going deep (no pun intended). Of course, the combination just so happens to be a competitor’s product.

Psychokinesis is probably one of the more dangerous applications. Too much potential for abuse. Leave it to the select few that can move a compass needle anywhere they want.

Reminds me of a question gamer girls sometimes ask: if you could have either human flight or invisibility, which would you choose? If you choose invisibility you’re defined as creepy.

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And I do think that as much as the energy exists and wants to work, our own belief has a strong influence on its effectiveness.

I kind of agree that everything is about belief - our external reality is a reflection of our inner beliefs. Sadly, the world does not entertain any doubting Thomas.

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I meant it slightly different, although I don’t quite know how to describe it accurately.

Our energy system tends to shield itself. Since energy can be both beneficial and malicious it doesn’t just let everything in. So when someone like a healer channels energy at us, the power of belief can act like a gatekeeper. If a person believes and trusts the healer, their energetic system relaxes and allows the energy to flow more liberally. That same belief will also tell their mind to stop ignoring the sensation of energy and instead focus on it, experience it.

If you don’t trust the healer, your energetic system will guard itself and the energy will not get through (or flow around or through isolated channels). And if you do not believe in energy, the sensation of it flowing will simply be ignored by the mind as something that happens all day long to varying degrees. Constantly alerting you to it would be debilitating, so the mind is designed to filter it out.

People doing mindfulness workshops often do body awareness exercises and energy sensing stuff. It helps them get to that in-the-moment state. I usually do an exercise with people where I have them close their eyes and try to sense where over their body my hands are hovering. They start getting it after a few tries. Whether it is because of the meditative state I put them in or because they are telling their mind to stop ignoring the sensation I have no idea.

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I personally think feeling energy has little to do with beliefs. I have always disagreed with the “every thing is about your beliefs” assertion. Math, physics, biology, they all work the same regardless of your beliefs. Just because you believe you can fly won’t make gravity behaves differently for you. I tend to think that energy work the same.
If you look closely, very little things in reality can be influenced by your beliefs. I think that so called rule that everything is about beliefs is some new age BS.
When things work, they work, and they don’t care of who you are and what you think or believe about them.
That’s why surprise exists. That’s why beliefs change.

If someone is incapable of feeling energy, it’s likely that the source is too weak or his energy system is numb, untrained, blocked.

Beliefs can take the shape of negative or positive manifestations in real life, but their effects are vastly overestimated nowadays.

That’s what I think.

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@Orion I couldn’t agree more. When I started energy work I couldn’t feel anything happening. And I mean nothing! It took years of training to get to a stage where I felt the internal energy moving all the time in different regions of the body. In certain areas spinning as a vortex, in others manifesting as heat or cold, sometimes vibrations, pressures, movements as if you would have a bug inside your body moving up and down etc. So, if you don’t feel the energy it’s because the source of it is weak or you haven’t trained well enough and for long enough to get to the stage where you can sense it all the time. It should be felt to the degree where you would normally believe that there’s something physical in the body. It should be that obvious and strong! Anything less and it’s your imagination at play. You must also be able to feel it all the time and many times it should move or manifest in ways that you wouldn’t expect, depending on which situation you’re in. This entire internal energy process should be independent of your focus and beliefs. Meaning that you shouldn’t need to sit in meditation and focus internally to actually feel the energy. When you reached a certain stage you’ll feel it active in you all day long, no matter where you are and what your focus is on.

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Same for me! I remember exactly when I first started practicing. About 4 years ago. I was training with a partner over internet. That person was naturally talented and a lot of these strange things clicked to her instantly. I remember I couldn’t feel energy at all. I was frustrated but my partner told me to keep practicing. I wasn’t diligently practicing energy working, but experimenting with it and other strange things times to times. Today, I can definitely feel energy now. However I need to be in a meditative state and focus.
I am sure that if I was practicing daily, results would be much quicker.

It’s interesting you say that past a point you don’t even need to focus. I didn’t know that.
And yes I think these things work based on a formula, and if you look closely, reality’s rules and formula don’t give a heck about what you believe. When you have the formula right, you can reproduce the effect at any given time with close to 100% success rate.

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Thats also placebo… when you believe in the placebo it will work magic ! After years of using the placebo it will be natural … if the chi, qi or kundalini were working beyond personal belief, there would be already a lot of scientific studies proving that it is reality. But there are none because it is part of faith. But faith is great of course

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@Orion I’m telling you from personal experience here, not from books or speculation like many people do these days. After years of training I’ve had certain rare experiences that if described would seen unbelievable and utter fantasy to an average person. But even if we limit the discussion to some more believable results, the energy is felt daily, every day, without any interruption. Still, it took years of daily practice to get here and I’m sure that almost anybody can do it with the right guidance and motivation.

@Avengers68 There’s no placebo here. The energy developed properly and stored in the body is active constantly, after years of training. Often times it even reacts in unexpected ways. It might spin in the head region and form heat in the forehead area as it’s clearing certain meridians or sometimes it has a cooling effect. The vibrations will be moving to the hands if I practice certain qigong movements or the base of the spine might vibrate out of nowhere while working on something at the computer. Most of the time it’s up and down the body, the hands, the legs and it’s as real as if it would be a physical component of the body. As for science, that’s a long discussion. First off science has still much to learn. And secondly, there are certain interest groups which limit science from investigating these topics in depth because of the instability that it would cause in the population if the truth were to come out about energies and other planes of existence. But in deep covert projects (military and unacknowledged special access programs) they have technology to look directly into the astral realm and they know full well the extent of these energies.

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Ok I respect your point of view and personal experience. But these deep covert program by military seems close to conspiracy theories… except of course you are yourself a member of this program … but I suppose a member of a “deep covert program” would not talk on this forum :slight_smile: sorry I am very very skeptical for this esoterical subject

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I am not going to debate with you whether it is placebo or not, but why do so many people rely on science so much, thinking it is the only source of truth? So what, just because mainstream science doesn’t know a certain concept, then it does not exist? If you are a logical person you know that reasoning is flawed. History has proven that science has been proven wrong so many times. That’s how it evolved and that’s how we know what we know right now. Because people challenged mainstream science back then.
You only use the word “placebo” today because science invented it years ago. What if science didn’t? Wouldn’t you call all of that energy stuff mere fantasy? But today you can name it as placebo. Do you realize you are relying on un-completed and still growing source of knowledge?

It’s really curious how some people think!
If you want to know if that energy stuff is real, I don’t know any better way than grabbing a partner and trying to influence each other from a distance. That will open your eyes. There is more to what Western science knows now.

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Ok I am half Asian half european so I see things from both sides. It is my advantage. I know that some westerners are fascinated by asian religions like budhism, or hindu etc. They imagine asians as people with wisdom etc. My older brother is a medical doctor and was a specialist of acupuncture. He was a real believer of meridians and chi. He worked on it for years of training and practice. But after so many years he told me he has no evidence that it is real beyond psychology and faith. Meaning a lot is linked to how the patients see the practioners and how they trust acupuncture. It is a general view now in medical universities of my countrie and many will stop teaching acupuncture. They cant find a difference between acupuncture and a placebo (these are not deep covert studies)

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I know nothing about acupuncture so I have no right to talk about it but I think you shouldn’t generalize that anything related to energy/chi/whatever is placebo.
I guess you have to experience it yourself.

I’m not really fascinated by asian religions per se. It all started with curiosity and I ended up joining a group a people. What I have been experiencing we them is absolutely beyond anything western science knows. There are a few things we can reproduce with almost 100% success rate. For us that’s enough evidence. Some things are hit a miss, like subliminals, or manifestations. You can’t bet on “I’ll manifest exactly 100$ a day from unexpected source for 30 days and prove that LOA works” but there are a few things with almost 100% reproducibility.

Anyway that kind of things talk to some people, and do not to some. I accept skepticism but I don’t really think that argument about science is pertinent…Really do not base your life on that. I think a better approach at life is to be open to anything and experience yourself.

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Well, we have the motivation, we could use the guidance. Telling us that you’ve come far and that anyone can get far with dedication is nice, but some tips and hints where we should start would be nicer. You know, specifics?

I’m assuming that at least 1/3 of us will take it seriously enough to keep up their practice. And those may actually speak from experience in a few years.

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