It’s not all that serious fellas
Lol… you guys sure make it tough to leave the forum, when I’m getting all these e-mail notifications. Now I’m obligated to respond because you invested time/energy into your replies and I can’t leave you hanging.
@Fire I completely agree with everything you’re saying, well said and brilliant post as usual.
@Malkuth well said, I completely agree with what you’re saying. I don’t know how quick you whipped that up but that’s a very deep, epic and stellarly written piece of advice you gave there lol.
I assure you that none of it went over my head.
not harsh enough lol. I agree with everything you’re saying… I see you coming in hot with that LBFH/True Sell wisdom 
I’m deeply integrating all of the advice and everything guys… don’t think for a second that I’m not.
You guys don’t have to be worried about offending me and all that crap… I don’t operate in that realm. When I hear people tell me about my potential flaws/weaknesses, I cannot convey to you how genuinely elated I am… regardless of the manner in which it’s been done. I know how to put my ego aside from information that I receive. That ability is why I progress fast with the subliminals and am able to run through the introspective type of recon. I treat it like a game, a game of growth. That’s actually an extension of how I perceive the purpose of life - to experience, grow and learn. I’m like that creature that just keeps mindlessly eating everything in sight in order to grow lol. I also understand the co-creative, contractual and reflective nature of reality and between people. I know that people are giving me feedback in various forms in order to learn about myself and it’s that exact understanding that has allowed me to grow as much as I have.
The men who get offended and feel attacked on internet forums, in debates or in back in forths in general, are men who have low testosterone, have no frame and are emotionally traumatized closet narcs with fragile egos, likely avoiding eye contact with their shadow selves.
Of course in order to not trigger people who say “you don’t know that!” I’m going to state it as my own personal opinion lol.
The debate with Noala never really got “heated” in my eyes. There was a dissonance there and the discussion got personal but it was never an attack… it was for the sake of the debate.
When someone starts talking about “snake oil” (taking action being irrelevant)… then that’s trouble and one has to pull out the microscope. There’s no tangibility in exchanging verbal stances on metaphysical concepts which cannot be verified and what I did was bring forth the closest thing to tangibility.
Imagine a group of 100 successful people constantly stressing the importance of taking action and they all have massive results to back it up. Some guy stumbles out from the bushes and claims “nope, taking action is irrelevant”.
Out of those 100 successful people, about 80 of them are just going to laugh at him and think he’s crazy… because they already KNOW that taking action works and is vitally important, as it has been thoroughly and irrefutably been proven without a doubt amongst ALL of them to a high degree - it’s the standard.
The other 20 are a bit more open-minded and are going to give him a chance, “alright, I’ll bite… you know maybe he’s onto something” but first they’re going to do a background check in order to find motivation for discussion… after all the burden of proof is on him.
I was 1 of those 20 and when I analyzed him, there was nothing to talk about. His stance immediately lost all credibility when he had nothing to show for it. Nothing to back it up. No results to share, no journal… didn’t even want to share his stack. Wasn’t even able to share the current actions that he was taking. I’d bet a thousand bucks that everything I broke down about him was correct too, lol but anyways that’s besides the point.
I didn’t attack him, I actually had the decency to try and help wake him up and encourage him to start doing what all of the 100 successful people were already doing like badasses (taking action) because I felt genuine concern and care. I’m not as invested as I appear to be when giving people advice like that… because I know that they either understand it when I say it at that moment, or figure it out for themselves when ZP begins kicking ass.
The whole debate is a matter of:
People who are out in the open that you can analyze and see the results for yourself… versus a shady snakeoil salesman with an opposing argument and absolutely nothing to back it up with.
That’s my perspective on the situation. I didn’t intend for it to be a personal attack, get it heated, or anything of the sort lol. It’s just that if you’re going to start making claims that are contradictory to what is already proven in terms of success… your files going to get checked - plain and simple. It’s just common sense.
I also have a message for the community here, if anyone is reading.
Y’all don’t have to like me, my “style” or my posts, but heed these words and take them seriously:
I suspect that Subliminal Club is now entering its next stage.
Anything that is even remotely remniscent of blaming subliminals, tech or the company is just going to stop from here on out and not be tolerated in the slightest.
Saint and Fire work WAY too hard for all of that nonsense. I can only imagine what these guys deal with in the support tickets. Fire is laying out some hardcore facts about action-taking but it shouldn’t even be needed honestly.
Like @Lion brilliantly broke down:
- Run subliminal
- Take action
- Journal
That’s all that’s needed. What constitutes as “action” is ALREADY in the product descriptions.
We as a community should be constantly advocating for the importance of taking action, having a stable stack and following listening recommendations.
No… it’s not a choice, it’s a RESPONSIBILITY.
We’re already settled in here and have to make sure that the environment is suitable for those who come after us, in a way that’s better than it was when WE first entered.
You guys want to show gratitude? I don’t know about y’all but a simple “thank you for these products” with heart emojis isn’t enough for me. These subliminals are arguably priceless in the value they offer and the 2 gentleman that created them should be out enjoying their time because they absolutely deserve it, rather than having to blatantly handhold people that can’t follow simple instructions.
That’s the true gratitude that’s worth sharing - doing your duty to make it easier for Saint and Fire.
New person comes in running X sub, you must drill in the importance of action-taking into their skulls to ensure them for success. Also be an example yourself and take action… get results so they can follow suit.
I suspect that ZP is kicking off the next phases of our developments - it’s been out long enough. The healing and shifts are stronger than they’ve ever been and people are starting to see clarity, growing like never before. Subliminals like LBFH are changing the game and we’re in a different atmosphere. The forum has grown lol.
If you extract anything out of this post then extract all of that last little bit…
Anyways, cheers to everyone, it’s all love at the end of the day. Don’t be taking stuff so seriously. Let’s continue being badasses, getting awesome results, growing and moving towards our desired realities.
I’m turning e-mail notifications off, so don’t think I’m leaving you hanging if I don’t reply.
I’m still taking a break from the forum. I’ll come back with the pictures of my physical shifting results - I still owe that. lol
Take care
