How to stop entering the FRIEND-ZONE

Of course, personality matters, I won’t deny it, because I also take it into great account.

Mine was just a general speech where I explained the mechanisms of attraction according to my point of view.

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Of course, we all know, that many women are focused on the superficial like is he at least 6 feet, muscular and earning at least 100k?

But in the past, I believed that I can’t find an attractive partner because I’m none of these. Good looking? Yes, especially when didn’t carry as much weight as now.
But neither tall nor buff nor earning much.
I believed that did disqualify as a potential partner. That was devastating.

Now I know, that there are more than enough women out there, that are more than happy if you are a decent person without toxic traits.


One more important thing I learned about attraction:
Often we want a certain quality. But do we want what is connected with this quality?
Buff means you partner will spend quite some time on the gym? Do you?
Earning ar least 100K means he will spend quite some time working? Do you?
Buff and rich means a lot of time where the partner isn’t available.

And so on.

With every quality you desire, allways ask yourself what comes with it, and if you can accept that.

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In a man, behavioral characteristics are much more striking. Appearance matters but it is secondary.

I am aware of this and I am trying to improve these behavioral characteristics in myself (thread reason)

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@FoxDie : I haven’t followed this thread from the beginning but here what I have observed in social dynamics. If you have a nice fit body, you dress well, you have a pleasant demeanor AND ABOVE ALL YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE RESOURCES SHE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, she is already one foot in your bed. From there, it’s up to you not to screw it up by being needy, creepy or appearing desperate. By the way, be quick to move on from women that only offer a “platonic and playful” relationship. That’s a gigantic waste of your time. I wasn’t the biggest seducer on the planet but I don’t ever remember asking out a woman twice. If I think I have built enough attraction, I’ll ask you out ONCE. If it’s a no, I’m moving on. No nobody has enough time to be chasing nobody or be stuck in a platonic relationship, while some other dude is probably doing with her what you were hoping for.

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How is it changing you?

If I saw you before DR in situations where you have emotional blocks, and NOW in situations where you have emotional blocks, what differences would I notice?

This looks like a clearly described change.

And now, here is one of the problems with pickup advice that is implicit in this summary of advice given by various PUAs over the years:

Be yourself.
Don’t be yourself.
Be super outgoing.
Be laid back.
Have them do all the talking by asking them questions.
You do all the talking by telling them stories.
Approach as many women as possible.
Only approach the ones you think are the best looking.
Approach the ones that look open to being approached.
Pay attention to their body language, so you know when you’re getting nowhere.
Never mind their body language. Just keep talking with them until they walk away.
Go to clubs.
Don’t go to clubs.
Have sex with them as soon as possible where ever you are, even in a public restroom.
Have sex with them only at your place.
Don’t have sex with them until you get to know them because they might be emotionally disturbed.
Carefully make sure she’s who you would want in your life.
Who cares who she is? Just have sex with her.
Only go out with her for a maximum of 90 days, then break up with her.
Go out with her for as long as possible.
Go out with her as long as she respects you.
Work to develop a sincere relationship with her if you think she has girlfriend potential.
Develop dark triad traits.
Develop traits of a masculine man.
Develop traits of an honorable man.
Develop traits of a high value man.
Work to be the best looking as you can be because looks matter a lot to women.
Looks really don’t matter much to women, so work on your personality.
Her feeling safe and comfortable is important to a good relationship with her.
Who cares about a relationship? If she gets too comfortable, she’ll take advantage of you.
If you get turned down, evaluate what you could have done better.
If you get turned down, figure out how to be a better man to be more attractive.
If you get turned down, it’s something about her or the situation, rather than you or what you did.
Women help us become better men.
Women play annoying games and distract you from being the man we were meant to be.

Female nature is about valuing connection, kindness, cooperation, and support.
Female nature is about extracting as much of your resources as she possibly can, including your time, attention, emotions, and money.

And one of my favorites: Be funny because women like a sense of humor, but don’t be too funny or she won’t respect you. (And yet how are you going to know at any given moment if you are just the right amount of funny?)

Ok, I think you get the idea.

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Right, I think it’s possible to work from the outside in too though. Like do some of these behaviors even if it feels unnatural at first, and eventually it will become a part of who you are, or better yet, uncover an edgy side of you that was always there but just got covered by bullsh*t societal programming. In any case, I think Primal would help with that, and probably Khan (though I’ve never run it).

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Very true, I agree.

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what a great post! this guy sounds like someone we should all learn from.

which country are you in bro?

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so curious about this self-love process and this coaching class in general

I’ve heard of Todd. There’s a lot of videos though. Any specific ones you can recommend?

a week later??? is the book that good or is that a coincidence?

China…he certainly got something for many people to learn…but,like many natural,they have their own blind spots ,it is pity that he never transcends his own limits :upside_down_face:

It’s basically a mix of hypnosis and Astral projection where you define goal and then travel into the future (with your mind) where your goal is already accomplished. That orients your RAS on the goal.
In case my goal was “I am my number one”.

No. The book is that good bro. I’m like lightly autistic lmao so social skills like conversation techniques like conversation threads and listening and emotional stories helped me out sooooo much. It literally leveled me up from level 1 to level 10 in social skills

This thread is too long for me to go through. But I used to always get friendzoned now it never happens.

And it’s so effortless I’m not trying to show sexual interest, I’m not trying to get her to bed.

Like my dates now are just me being curious letting go of all nervousness judgement radiating love while being super relaxed.

Relaxation is the biggest thing, My mentor who was the dating coaches of the dating coaches say relaxation is the single biggest aspect of masculinity.

Imagine for a second the perspective of the girl, One guy is trying to get you to bed with his needy energy craving the validaton, Worried about what to say to impress her. All of this implies in her mind that this guy is not used to dating girls as hot as me.

Or imagine you are super relaxed and not trying to make anything happen. This is the hack, Because what does she think about that. Oh this guy is so relaxed around me and is not even moving it forward really.

He must be used to hotter girls than me Am i not hot enough.

This is very simplified though.

But friendzone is something you put yourself in by acting in a way that gets you friendzoned.

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Wow!! Will definitely give it a shot then.

I’m also under the impression that the first time you read a book on a certain genre you might find it more helpful than you would otherwise.

For example Anthony Robinson’s awaken the giant within with the first self-help book I ever read and so I really liked it. I wonder if I read it today would I still or would I find it to just be repeating the same concept I read elsewhere.

Was this your first book on the topic of getting good with women or have you read other stuff as well?

You’re spot on in your self- awareness. I suggest Khan, check PM.

There is no friend zone, there’s disqualification lol But it’s usually temporary and only when she is distant and non-responsive it’s time to move on. If not, you’re still in the “game”.

Yup, I found women complaining to me that I didn’t even kiss them… so I did when they said that. Then by slowing the things down I made some of them come over to have sex, since they couldn’t stand the tension any longer. lol

Here’s one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVG-wBNZeu8 but really, you can just look at his channel and any title that fits what you’re looking for will help.

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