That would be an incredible title to stack with C&C if you wanted to move up the ladder and be a manager, and of course would be incredible to help build a successful business and eventually a business empire.
A very powerful stack would be C&C + Chosen From Within + Inner Circle: Brotherhood aka “Bro” and you’d be a force to reckon with. WOW! That could be a weapon in the business world.
Started a journal with C&C
Did a microloop of Emperor: Crown and Capital. I notice immediately that there is a positive charge/motivational stimulus to this layer/section (1m30s mark). I think this supposed mechanism would reinforce actions and results, creating a positive feedback loop.
Upon finishing the loop, I notice my self-awareness is heightened, and my analytical mind is sharpened. When dealing with any type of interaction, I can pierce through layers to the substance of what the business is trying to present. If that specific offering doesn’t tie into my self-concept, I would question it further, if not outright ignore it. So that may be some Emperor and/or HoM style ROI scripting.
The experience reminds me of RoM in a way. Cognition boost.
I did a 90-second micro-loop yesterday, so it’s too early to draw any conclusions. The only noticeable change so far is this: today, while thinking about business and money, I caught myself feeling disappointed that I once considered a six-figure annual income to be a lot of money.
Creating six figures a year now feels like it should be, and is, a walk in the park. That mindset definitely was not there two days ago.
That’s most certainly the scripting designed to help you break through wealth ceilings. If you’ve had a subtle wealth ceiling all this time, C&C is going to help you dig through it.
Regen
I asked support about Khan-CC synergy. HOM-Khan, was one of my favorite stacks.
Hi team,
I have a question about how the new C&C wpuld synergise with Khan.
I found the old HOM and Khan as – by far – the best combination for my monogamous relationship, but also to atract valuable people in my profesional life. Also, Khan always supported the “planned” approach of HOM.
In the cooy of the new C&C, I see that C&C is suggested to be used woth Emperor, but I am wondering how it would synergize woth Khan: both having strategy scripting and that “eye bird” view on things.
Thanks,
Great question! Since you had excellent results with House of Medici (HOM) + Khan, let me explain how the new Emperor: Crown & Capital (C&C) would synergize with Khan.
First, Important Context:
Emperor: Crown & Capital is the upgraded version of House of Medici. It’s essentially HOM 2.0 – a complete reimagining with significantly evolved philosophy and execution. So you’re not comparing two completely different titles; you’re looking at the evolution of something you already know works well for you.
Key Differences Between HOM and C&C:
C&C is more sophisticated – it addresses a deeper architecture than HOM did.
How C&C Synergizes with Khan:
1. Complementary Strategy Systems
You mentioned both have strategy scripting and “bird’s eye view” – this is actually a strength, not redundancy. Here’s why:
Together: Khan conquers, C&C consolidates and protects what was conquered. Khan expands the empire, C&C ensures it doesn’t crumble.
2. The “Planned Approach” Enhancement
You loved how Khan supported HOM’s planned approach. With C&C, this gets significantly stronger:
3. Relationship & Professional Network (Your Use Case)
Since HOM + Khan worked great for your monogamous relationship and professional connections, here’s how C&C improves on that:
For Your Relationship:
For Professional Connections:
4. Addressing Your Concern About Overlap
You’re concerned about both having strategy scripting. Here’s why that’s not a problem:
5. What You’ll Experience with Khan + C&C:
Practical Recommendation:
Since you already know HOM + Khan worked brilliantly for you, transitioning to C&C + Khan should be seamless and even better. The core of what you loved (strategic planning + aggressive execution) remains, but C&C adds:
How to Run Them Together:
Bottom Line:
If HOM + Khan was your best combination, then C&C + Khan will be even better. You’re essentially upgrading one half of a proven stack. The synergy you loved is preserved and enhanced.
The “strategy overlap” you’re concerned about is actually strategic depth – you’ll become a master strategist who thinks both tactically and architecturally, both short-term and multigenerational, both aggressive and protective.
C&C was suggested to pair with Emperor because they’re in the same “series,” but it pairs equally well (if not better) with Khan because Khan already has the network, wealth, and relationship components that make C&C’s features immediately useful.
You’ve found your winning formula – just upgrade it!
Let me know if you have any other questions about this combination.
EOG vs. C&C
Hi there,
Thank you for sharing such detailed and honest feedback about your experience with Crown & Capital. This level of specificity is incredibly valuable, and I really appreciate that you took the time to articulate exactly what you’re experiencing and what you’re looking for.
Let me address your question directly, then explain why:
Short Answer:
No, stacking C&C with an EoG ST2 ZPQ custom (with Job Seeker) will likely NOT solve the challenge you’re facing – specifically, the decreased lead volume and opportunity manifestation.
Here’s why:
The Core Issue You’ve Identified:
You’re experiencing a fundamental philosophical difference between Crown & Capital and your old stack (likely House of Medici-based):
Crown & Capital gives you:
– QUALITY (better conversions, better deals, royal treatment, strategic positioning)
– Strategic, calculated, dynasty-focused energy
– Emperor-like authority and focus
– “Working hard to get opportunities”
Your old stack (HoM) gave you:
– VOLUME (high lead flow, many opportunities, constant action)
– Opportunities “manifesting and falling on your lap”
– Social, fun, happy energy
– “Taking action on opportunities” rather than “working to create them”
You want: HIGH VOLUME + HIGH QUALITY
Will EoG ST2 + Job Seeker solve this?
EoG Stage 2 Focus:
Stage 2 is about developing core business SKILLS and TOOLS:
– Decoding Customer Desires
– Magnetic Marketing Strategies
– Data-Driven Wealth
– Digital Influence
– Value Proposition Crafting
– Conversion Catalyst
– Scaling for Success
– Networking with Purpose
– Leadership for Wealth
– Resource Optimization
– Communication Excellence
This is skills-based development, not manifestation-based opportunity generation.
Job Seeker Focus:
Job Seeker helps you:
– Get any job you desire (with benefits, salary, circumstances)
– Excel at job interviews
– Achieve promotions within employment structures
This is for employment/career advancement, not lead generation or sales opportunity manifestation.
The Problem:
C&C’s philosophy won’t change – C&C is designed for strategic, quality-focused, dynasty building. It’s working as intended by giving you better quality leads/deals, but fewer of them. This is its design.
EoG ST2 develops skills, not manifestation volume – Adding EoG ST2 will help you build marketing, sales, and business skills. This might help you CONVERT better (which you don’t need – your conversions are already good), but it won’t manifest MORE opportunities for you.
Job Seeker targets employment, not lead flow – Job Seeker is for people seeking employment or promotions within companies. Since you’re in sales and want high lead volume, this module doesn’t address your core need.
What This Stack Would Give You:
C&C + EoG ST2 + Job Seeker would give you:
– Strategic, quality-focused energy (C&C)
– Business and marketing skills development (EoG ST2)
– Employment/promotion assistance (Job Seeker – likely not relevant to your situation)
– STILL the same decreased lead volume issue
You’d become more skilled at handling the opportunities you get, but you still wouldn’t get the HIGH VOLUME of opportunities you’re craving.
Why You’re Experiencing This Difference:
Crown & Capital is about:
– Strategic wealth construction (not manifestation)
– Capital Focus (building reserves, calculated investment)
– Wealth Ladder (methodical progression)
– Treasury Shield (protecting and strategically deploying resources)
– Dynasty thinking (long-term, multigenerational focus)
This philosophy naturally leads to:
– Fewer, better opportunities
– More calculated approach
– Authority and focus over social spontaneity
– “Working hard” mentality over “flow” mentality
House of Medici is about:
– Trading intuition and market prediction
– Manifestation of deals and opportunities
– Deep relationships (social, connected)
– Analyzing hidden forces that drive financial markets
– High manifestation abilities (opportunity flow)
This philosophy naturally leads to:
– High volume of opportunities
– Opportunities “falling on your lap”
– Social, connected, happy energy
– Taking action on manifested opportunities
These are fundamentally different approaches to wealth.
What Would Actually Address Your Challenge:
Based on your feedback and what you’re looking for, here are the approaches that would actually help:
Option 1: Return to Your Old Stack (HoM-based)
If you’re someone who:
– Thrives on HIGH VOLUME of leads and opportunities
– Loves taking action on manifested opportunities rather than strategically creating them
– Feels happiest when you have a ton of work to do
– Wants opportunities to “fall on your lap”
– Prefers social, fun, connected energy over strategic authority
Then go back to your old stack. It’s clearly aligned with your personality, your work style, and your goals. C&C isn’t “better” than HoM – it’s just DIFFERENT.
You already had the solution. C&C is solving a problem you don’t have.
Option 2: Wait for EoG: True Sell
You mentioned: “maybe EoG: True Sell will cover exactly what I was hoping C&C would do.”
Based on what you’re describing, EoG: True Sell might be a better fit because:
– EoG focuses on turning passion into profit and manifesting wealth
– True Sell will likely have high manifestation components
– EoG has popularity auras and opportunity generation
– It’s designed for “unstoppable success” (volume-oriented language)
However, we can’t make promises about unreleased titles. If you’re interested in this, you’d need to wait for official information.
Option 3: Stack HoM with Something for Quality (Not C&C)
If you want to keep the high volume from HoM but add quality/conversion:
HoM + EoG ST2 custom might work better:
– HoM provides the high manifestation and opportunity volume
– EoG ST2 provides skills to convert those opportunities better
– You keep the social, fun, happy energy
– You get the volume you crave + skills to maximize conversions
This is more aligned with your personality and goals.
Option 4: C&C + HoM Core in a Custom
If you really want to try to combine both philosophies:
– Run C&C as a main title
– Add HoM Core to a custom for manifestation volume
– This is complex and might create some philosophical conflict
However, I’d recommend Option 1 or 3 over this.
Addressing Your Specific Situation:
You said: “For context, similar to Azriel I have pretty good wealth pathway manifestation since I’m in sales. Right now for me it’s all about maximize and having the most amount of lead volume/wealth opportunities to be able to make the most amount of money since there’s no wealth ceiling in the work I do.”
This is EXACTLY what HoM is designed for.
You have:
– Good manifestation abilities (HoM enhances this)
– Sales-based income (volume = money for you)
– No wealth ceiling (more leads = more money)
– Personality that thrives on high activity and volume
C&C is designed for someone who:
– Wants to build strategic, long-term wealth
– Focuses on quality over quantity
– Builds dynasties and multigenerational power
– Prefers calculated, strategic approaches
– Has a different personality type than you
You’re trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
My Honest Recommendation:
Go back to your old stack (likely HoM-based or HoM + something).
Why?
If you want to enhance your old stack, consider adding:
– EoG ST2 (in a custom) for business skills and conversion optimization
– Modules that enhance your manifestation or sales abilities
– Nothing that conflicts with HoM’s philosophy
Bottom Line:
To directly answer your question: No, C&C + EoG ST2 + Job Seeker will not solve your lead volume challenge.
C&C is working as designed – it’s strategic and quality-focused. EoG ST2 develops skills, not manifestation volume. Job Seeker targets employment, not sales lead generation.
You don’t have a “problem” with C&C – you have a mismatch between C&C’s philosophy and your personality/goals. The solution isn’t to add more to C&C. The solution is to return to what was already working for you (HoM-based stack) or wait for EoG: True Sell.
C&C is an incredible title for people who want strategic, dynasty-focused wealth building. But based on everything you’ve shared, that’s not you – and that’s completely fine.
Use the tools that align with who you are and how you thrive.
Basically C&C is not the best for the main type of sales I and some others here do and is more so focused for strategic level type of sales. It’s a bit sad to find out about this considering I’ve been running it since release but it’s better to know about it now than too late.
I will be going back to my old True Sell custom then until EoG: True Sell comes out since it sounds like it’s exactly what I want and I’m looking for based on the answer I got from support.
Also my sleep has gotten worse from C&C not sure if it’s correlation or just something random but just something I noticed. Another thing is I’m a lot more serious and less social in a way and more Emperor like (not a good thing for me) than Stark/old HoM type social which is what I was hoping for.
The support answer provides a lot of clarity. For context, this is not me bashing Emperor: C&C. I think it’s amazing sub and I had great results on it. It just wasn’t the results I wanted or expect so honestly just a mismatch of expectation from my side.
I’ve been on the fence with Khan + C&C (and maybe wanted) for the exact same reasons as what the support mentioned. However, the only thing that has been stopping me is (maybe my own fears too) the feeling that first I need a stronger and more resilient mental frame, for which I have been running New Emperor and Emp Executive with C&C. Love the stack! Maybe will move to Khan and C&C next month.
I’ve also been considering a custom with Khan + EE + AoW for a more holistic pre frontal cortex + limbic drive based approach which can use the raw force of Khan and have the Executive and Strategic functions baked into it.
So as you can see, a bit of analysis paralysis going on at the moment. Goal is larger than money, Goal is an overall transformation into a magnetic, smart force, that can move swiftly yet internally is so structured and strategic that what may seem chaotic to an outsider is actually a well thought out move, be it in business, relationships, seduction,with gravity that attracts. Basically a force of nature.
I am also curious on how OG Stark would go with C&C, I really love the lightness that OG stark brings to the table, my only issue was that it felt like it could do with a little more grounding. Now C&C can provide the perfect grounding to something like OG Stark. Not sure if anyone has tried it yet
Join the stark side
Og or stark black?
Can you talk more about them
I’m considering my options as SB was slow acting here and gave me a lot of recon
Happily.
My first sub here was Stark OG. I ran it for about two weeks but didn’t see results or recon. SB came out like a week later so I decided to try that. I got reached out to by a big company president that just so happened to see a project me and my team did and wanted to negotiate a 6 figure contract for all of us. A professor at my school in my research area emailed me out of the blue wanting to meet me and asked me if I was interested in joining one of their labs. And then multiple requests for interviews. All in the span of maybe 5 days after I started listening.
Since I was new here, I didn’t really care about what people were calling microloops and was rawdogging the two full loops every listening day schedule. I think microloops definitely would’ve helped me with the recon back then, but one of my earliest realizations was that recon itself wasn’t inherently bad. It’s part of what helps you grow. If you’re feeling recon, think about what could be causing it, why it would be causing that specific type of reaction.
If it was slow acting for you, the archetype itself might be something you’re trying to get used to, rather than the sub just not working. My favorite recommendation now is that if you want to run it, run one of the newer titles with anti-recon in it too so you’ll have an easier time resolving it. I aligned with the archetype pretty well, but that just meant the recon came in different ways down the road when some limiting beliefs came to the forefront. Regardless, I think it’s a title that really benefits from sticking with it for a few months to see how it affects you. Very much force of nature and everything else you described wanting though. The title affects every part of my life which is my favorite part about it. Having kind of an all-in-one that turns you into a force of nature.
Wow!
Thank you so much for describing your experience this is very helpful.
Wait, so we can still use the old HOM core in customs? I thought CC is the upgrade for HOM.
Since they have fundamentally different approaches, I for one would love to still have access to old HOM (and if possible some script updates, while keeping the old HOM core objectives intact).
Yeah, that was probably a glitch. We’re still learning how to use this. I forgot to take the HoM information out of the recommendation engine. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
100% I agree or maybe some kind of Stark Black model (with the fame scripting and no fame scripting option) of C&C with the HoM model and C&C normal. Not sure how it would work but just a idea.
I feel very much the same, and I think this point deserves emphasis.
While Crown & Capital is clearly a strong and more mature evolution, it does represent a meaningful philosophical shift.
HoMi wasn’t just about power or wealth structures, it emphasized relational intelligence, social positioning, and influence through human networks. It felt more externally oriented, more social, more about navigating people and environments rather than fortifying oneself against them.
C&C by contrast places more heavier weight on internal sovereignty,(like with all of the emperor line)… I don’t see it as a downgrade, but a different approach.
Having acess to the orignal HoM, ideally with light technical/script updates while perserveirng its objectives, would offer real value. My life is not at a stage where inward consolidation is the priority. I value conneciton, visbilty and relational leverage. These are two developmental needs.
I want to share a brief personal experience that explains why this distinction matters to me.
A role opened up at my workplace and management openly asked who would be interested. I stepped forward, assuming there would at least be a conversation. There wasn’t. I wasn’t invited for an interview, and later I was told there were “better candidates”, by someone who barely knew me.
Only much later did I hear the real reason: I wasn’t visible enough to the decision maker.
That experience taught me that the issue wasn’t inner authority or confidence. It was relational positioning how impressions are formed through proximity, informal networks, and human dynamics that happen outside formal processes.
Because of that, Crown & Capital doesn’t fully fit where I am. Its focus on internal sovereignty, insulation, and withdrawal from external validation would not have addressed what actually went wrong. What I needed in that moment, and what House of Medici spoke to more directly, was navigating social systems as they actually function, not retreating from them.
That’s why I resonate with keeping access to the original HOM. These approaches solve different problems, and in my case, the missing piece wasn’t the crown, it was the social chessboard.
Isn’t manifestation a (combination of) skills?