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#1096

Continuing to just process my experience here.

Every time I talk to people, they clam up or bring an equal measure of ‘business bluntness.’
It’s almost too high status -this was mitigated initially in a custom but now C&C is shinging through with ASBR.

That sweet middle ground of business in a loving fun way where we were being of value to each other is gone. My ability to deal really effectively with challenging people is gone, probably the pipeline filter, I don’t/won’t /can’t deal with challenging people looking to be in a control dynamic.

The pipeline filter acts like a strong repellent to many, and then when things click, they really click but that is SOO rare the last few weeks.

Honestly, I think part of this is that C&C also highlights where there is so much more for me than this job, I am struggling with the strong sense of strength and movement in other things, but losing my fluidity and acceptance in this role.

Towards end of day I’ve hit strong recon mode.

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#1097

Go with your intuition for sure.

Have you tried C&C yet though?

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#1098

first phrase of my post haha

I came to similar conclusions after running C&C

#1099

lol Yea, read it too fast. Can you say more specifically about your experience that had you decide that, or point me to where you already said that .

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#1100

Sure, I was running it since release. Basically, it feels like I’m not even scratching the surface on C&C and some of the changes are not appropriate at my level. The sub is for a very long time frame and I believe that it’s best to run it when you are already in a good and stable financial place, focusing not on active income (through work, freelancing, whatever) but rather the end stages of business (in which you are creating a system so that the business can run and grow without your presence and daily actions) OR moving away from active income and focusing on investing or similar means of creating a structure of passive income

At least that’s my definition of “legacy”, related to the Capital part. A structure that will outlive you and keep growing even without your presence and daily actions.

I’m currently at a level in which I’ll benefit much more from increasing my active income, without really giving my full attention to investments and large capital structure. Like, I’m currently better off investing in my knowledge, health and living conditions to make myself more efficient, happy, productive and capable. And C&C makes me more focused on capital structures first.

The thing is, if I directly do that, I’ll be making overall slower progress because of less efficiency

Adaptive scripting didn’t really help me with that, instead it only guided my actions towards creating capital structure, so to speak. For example, I put part of my income into investments (crypto, knowledge, health - really broad category, not just financial gain in mind) and with C&C I started putting all of it into DeFi and stocks, rather than acquiring new courses, buying necessary supplements or gym equipment. While it isn’t right or wrong overall, it is wrong FOR ME

And this guiding was in everything, which diverted my attention from the basics: improve my skillset, network with people, improve my living condition

Also, the Crown part also guides me to become a bit too serious, and has a feel that “I don’t have X cashflow, I have to fix it asap, so I’m going full serious mode”.

Also, I totally understand that it might be recon, calibration and stuff like that but it really seems much more beneficial for me to go through Mogul and EOG, closing the basics first before going back to C&C. I accept that I might be missing out by not just continuing to run C&C and adapting slowly, but so far, Mogul seems like a much better fit. I also did EOG1 and 2 but decided to go through the progression I outlined in previous post, thinking it’s going to be more beneficial

Well, that was a long text, hope it makes sense haha

EDIT: Maybe even ideal transition would be Genesis Mogul + RICH/NRICH → EOG + Emperor → C&C

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#1101

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#1102

Does this include the money you’re receiving by your ex calling your “old leads” as well?

Just wondering since that “situation” seemed to be pretty much exactly what CC was about, and maybe even how you should develop the situation to be?

Otherwise I like the concrete numbers to measure results.

#1103

I think that was an element of discovering a new way to structure the pipeline. In the end, though, due to opportunity and lead ‘ownership’ rules at the company I’m at, it ended up being only $5K of revenue on my end one week.

#1104

Thank you for the full description here. It makes total sense, and it’s good to hear your experience reflected.

I am experiencing something similar.

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#1105

Saint, I wanted to take this here, not to derail that thread.

I really don’t mean to be nitpicky or be contrarian, and maybe I’m just misunderstanding the obvious, but I want to clarify.

Metrically, there is a gain and loss sure, and since game theory suggests one person’s gain is directly proportional to another’s loss, this is accurate, but my understanding in open ended systems like the world or the economy its only in the case of theft and loss, where a transfer, not an exchange, occurs that is would consistute as a gain or loss. If someone gives me $20 for a service that is not a net loss for them, even though their down $20

zero-sum games accurately model situations with a fixed pool of money, where resources are transferred rather than created.

That could be very useful when managing money and/or structuring money, which is part of C&C’s purpose. But it does not account for value creation/ exchange, which are practical, measurable, tangible, and repeatable. Does C&C address these at all?

A wealth-creation mindset that treats money as a zero-sum game will be anything but practical; it will be limiting and even negatively impactful.

So I imagine you’re talking about a zero-sum game in fixed-system instances, like set amounts of capital that C&C addresses, not the mindset behind it?

The value creation and exchange elements of money are also incredibly practical

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#1106

A very simple example for this is buying a pair or jeans.
If I spend 20$ on a new pair, these jeans have a higher value for me than the 20$ bill in my pocket. If the jeans would be worth 20$ to me, I wouldn’t sit in my car, drive to the store and do a simple exchange where I don’t make a gain.
Instead I would stay at home, not wasting the time to get the jeans.
But if I need a new pair of Jeans they have a higher value to me than the 20$ I need to spend.

Watching a movie in a theater for 30$?
I do this because I value the fun, the relaxation higher than the money.

In each exchange I need to make a gain or I wouldn’t do it.

That’s the basic of exchange.

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#1108

My experience with C&C continues to be one of duality. Different from recon because I get recon on plenty of subs, but am not torn with my experiences with those subs the way I am with this one.

I find the Crown portion of C&C gives me way more confidence and ego in having issues with things. Part of it is recon driving up anger and unfairness, but part of it seems like just a higher expectation of what I deserve and am willing to tolerate.

It’s clear this sub is much more powerful for the intended outcome of what HOM was to be, I feel way more drive and import in making big changes in my life, and focuses on serious things that matter. I have not done anything differently in terms of decisions, but I am finding I am much more present to what needs to happen and setting up situations to get advice and meaningful think and plan. I also have became aware of where I am avoiding decisions.

Not sure if the sub is the adaptive scripting, but there seems to be like this ‘heating seeking missile’ for how to engage whatever I am focused on.

The process/ flavor/ vibe (base note as @BeingNeo ) is a completely different sub than its predecessor, and there are many elements I just don’t gel with, but I’m having trouble letting go of.

I am usually super aligned with the creations here, and the exact choices in what created them, the wisdom and precision that goes into making these titles is way beyond me, and they continue to surprise me both in experience and results that I am often blown away by.

While I understand C&C is a masterpiece that we may not yet fathom, from an experiential/user standpoint, I have not had this experience with it. The effects are obvious in terms of the crown, the trajectory is powerful, and I don’t want to give up on that, but I feel like I’m not getting it yet or fully comfortable. Maybe because of how neutral the sub relates to money, and I’ve come to see my money as spiritual abundance - these two are wrestling?

I’ve tempered it in customs and stacks, even with modifications, ASBR, Dreamboy, Synergy: Master of the world, and Synergy: Glory incarnate, to make it so I can tolerate my own sales job lol, but it’s not even close to the brilliant relationship maker, negotiator, and sales elements of HOM. I’m drawing a line between trusting my instincts and being willing to look at something anew, and as I go into week three of C&C as HOM’s replacement, I am really valuing that deep Emperor sense of running my own life; it’s just that everyone seems to be an annoyance to me again.

metrically this sub has not improved my current pathways.

I’ve seen no increase in personal capital, no improvement in lead quality or volume, and mostly no improvement in on-call performance. In fact, those have tanked in spurts much longer than usual. While the rest of the more advanced team I am on is lapping me in February. They are doing in week one of the month what I usually do. And not one like, the whole team. I felt sidelined. Now I feel more at ease, accepting that I am not leading the pack and that the month is far from done.

Objectively, sales have stayed around the $50K mark, which is average for me; except never average for 3 weeks in a row- usually every other week I would shoot up to close to $100K for and most of the last three weeks’ closes have been through increased hustle, working pendings, and follow-ups. Stuff I usually do only as gravy because I am doing so well has been a more consistenc staple to succeed.

I am experiencing fewer big wins, fewer high-quality lead flows, fewer things lining up, fewer wins in tight situations, and less visceral confidence in my abilities overall. Although part of me cares less as well.

I reviewed the analytics of leads, income, and how well their forms/ profiles were filled out. And mine were very low in the distribution compared to my peers in terms of quality and income.

I honestly don’t understand why this is the case on a sub like this, with pipeline attractor , wealth manifestation, I don’t understand why it would be such a drop down.

This is more of what I experience in 2023-24. The combination of True Sell/RICH+ HOM/ASBR custom seemed to create a kind of unparalleled flow and consistency in my job.

It may be unfair to attribute this to replacing HOM with C&C, but after a year of unparalleled performance, week in and week out, it’s not unreasonable to think C&C is not as suitable for my role as HOM.

The exception in improvement in sales quality being occasionally I drop into a kind of centered authenticity.

Despite all this, I am having trouble going back to HOM, though, as something in me really wants to continue running C&C, either to prove I can perform as well or better on it, or because I know it’s a better sub for other goals for me. Maybe I am intuiting some deeper breakthrough and should stick with it.

It is ‘forcing’ me into a kind of clarity and decision-making. I also feel like I’m having to face what I want to create/ happen financially, without just being ‘on top of the world’ in my sales job, there’s way more to stand for outside of that.

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#1109

C&C long term thinking might be related to this:

That sounds like it could be Elliott Jaques - a Canadian-born (though originally from Toronto) psychoanalyst and organizational psychologist. He developed Requisite Organization theory, which centers on the idea that different levels of management require different time horizons of thinking:

  • Level 1: 1 day to 3 months (front-line workers)
  • Level 2: 3 months to 1 year
  • Level 3: 1-2 years
  • Level 4: 2-5 years
  • Level 5: 5-10 years
  • Level 6: 10-20 years
  • Level 7: 20-50 years (CEO of major corporation)

His key insight: cognitive complexity determines the longest time span a person can work with. People naturally operate at a specific “stratum” of complexity, and organizations break when you put someone in a role requiring a longer time horizon than they can handle.

He called this “time span of discretion” - the longest task a person in a role can be left to work on without supervision before you’d check on them.

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#1110

Interesting concept, not sure the correlation in my situation :sweat_smile: or if you’re just generally sharing.

My personal belief is that theory is highly deterministic and bureaucratic. I don’t think employees thrive when in their ‘place’ but rather in roles where accountability would almost never be required, given their engagement and abilities.

I also believe some people struggling to be managed will excel as leaders or executives with the right cause.

I’m of the belief that people have energy and organizational capacity towards what they value the highest, and more chaos and apathy towards what they value less. And there lives and work always demonstrate this. So I do believe in the ‘who’ theory -just not that certain people have a cognitive capacity limited that determines their role, but more the role determines their capacity.

My role can involve tracking and working with people for up to a year,
but it is predominantly a short turn ove 1 month or less. The sales are highly specific to short-term sales cycles.

I’ve worked in roles requiring years-long time horizons, I enjoy both extremely, the long-term game but also the high intensity necessity of someting tactial day to day

C&C has elements that require long term thinking but with adaptive scripting the idea is practical application is relevant now. The reason I enjoy my role less on C&C is that it’s more of a struggle, and on top of that, my disposition is more serious, so I find myself annoyed by people more, and have less access to my ‘magic’. Synchroniticies and sales happening again and again out of nowhere, and less ability to shift and relate to people well on calls.

I just don’t think the sub is best suited for this particular sales role. At least while I adapt more to it (or potentially overall)

As far as the elements outside of my sales role, thats where I am seeing more benefit to C&C.

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#1111

Just a general observation.

The people tended to end up excelling in roles that fit their time horizon naturally.

I think he thought that it would be an attribute that could not be changed.

But if the subs can alter that… It opens up huge possibilities.

The sub hopping and things related to that in our community might be affected.

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#1112

@Hoppa I think your saying that C&C bigger picture thinking has me outgrowing my current role

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#1113

Yes. You have been talking about longer-term endeavors for a long time.

This might be the catalyst for change.

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#1114

That’s what’s pulling me back to it, the sense of waiting on anything longer term is completely gone and I feel strong push and openings for action there.

That’s the positives that C&C is affecting outside of work.

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#1115

@Hoppa have you started running C&C?

#1116

I have.

It’s the usual for me… Haven’t noticed anything.

C&C fits my long term goals perfectly.

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