This is pure projection. I said nothing of the sort, nor did I remotely imply that this would be the implementation of wealth in Chosen, if included.
Instead, I took great care to note the following things:
Second, I even stated that my sudden interest in Chosen was a response to “recent societal disclosures,” which was a not-so-veiled reference to the “Epstein Files.”
I am clearly implying, without having to deal with political battles that Chosen is being prepared as a COUNTER to “false light” leaders, like what we see now.
Everyone — when discussing this, please do not take my comments (or anyone else’s) out of context.
I like a leader who isn’t dependent on another for income/wealth etc… even at a job, id prefer to be there by choice not necessity, being able to step back and decide how I would like to proceed without the worries of income…
I spent January to August of 2025 working with Dragon Reborn Gold. For the first two months, I paired it with The Revelation of Wealth. And since March with Ecstasy of Gold Stage I.
Basically completely compatible with what you’re describing.
I don’t have a strong leadership aspiration; but that seems irrelevant.
There’s only one stack that even comes close to creating someone like that: Chosen + RICH . But knowing how Chosen operates, it would create a massive internal friction. You’d be caught in a constant loop—one minute you couldn’t care less about the people, and the next, you’re humble as hell, wanting to serve people without an ounce of greed. Ultimately, I trust Saint and Fire to bridge that gap, balancing heartfelt leadership with raw wealth acquisition."
But for whatever reason Chosen as an Emperor type title just doesn’t feel right to me
I would rather just stack the two to get that flavour
Chosen (Original) feels like it was ran by people because of the positivity and inspiration it would give
Not empire building
For example, I think I would give my girlfriend Chosen as it is to fill her life with positivity and hope. Not because she wants to build an empire through dominance, resilience and wealth
I don’t think she’d be interested in that at all
I feel like this instance it may be drifting slightly away from what the customers want
Edit:
And I mean that as one example I can think of. I’m sure I could think of others
Emperor I think requires a certain type of character to want to run
Right now Chosen seems so much more accessible and general for people to use
Chosen + RICH wouldn’t even have this response. RICH only enhances wealth through open pathways of manifestation and addresses wealth ceilings.
I disagree. As I look through the thread, I see an equal amount of people – if not more – in favor for wealth to be added to Chosen. And that was why I brought up the topic in the first place, people were already debating this without my feedback. As far as I’m concerned, the solution to this issue remains in the air, and emotional hooks won’t sway me. Until there is some kind of consensus, there will be no development on Chosen. That’s what we always do.
I will say this –
Who said anything about the focus of Chosen changing to empire building? Again, I made this very clear about how wealth would be implemented:
And again:
From my perspective, I have made it clear that this is not about “empire building” and more about resilience against abusive people and having resources. And yet, suddenly people who demonstrated the ability to understand nuance can suddenly no longer do this.
In the United States, there is a currently a teacher crisis. Salaries are dropping, programs that helped teachers earn more money are being stripped away. It used to be that teaching in a high school with a Masters’ degree, for example, would earn you a respectable income. Now, teachers are having to pay for their own supplies, barely able to hold on. Being replaced by AI – I have a colleague whose child attends an AI-driven school. There’s only like seven human teachers with hundreds of students. The writing is on the wall – what do these people do when the floor falls out?
As for volunteers and community leaders – SOMEONE has to fund their operations, the money simply doesn’t fall from the sky. They have to organize fundraisers and get involved with local politics, and we know what that means – corruption will follow suit.
Chosen isn’t about dancing in meadows of pretty flowers spreading love everywhere. It never was. This is a title designed to help produce highly positive, effective leaders, and from my perspective – in today’s world, if you think you’re going achieve that without financial literacy, you will be eaten by the wolves. Hence why we are suggesting adding resilience scripting and awareness of people secretly trying to destroy you.
Now the easiest solution to this is that Chosen From Within becomes the “non-wealth” version, because it needs an update anyway and doesn’t quite fit within the pantheon of titles anymore, given that Dragon Reborn: Regeneration is far more effective at healing leadership issues than CFW ever could be.
And another note to everyone: What we’re NOT going to do is argue literal archetypes when everything at Subliminal Club is nuanced. People heard Emperor and immediately jumped to conclusions. The truth of the matter is – until this is resolved to a certain degree, development will not proceed. This means you have a chance to shape the future. I ask you to consider this: do not waste it arguing something that wasn’t said in the first place, and getting stuck on imagery. Focus on what matters, without incendiary language or emotional hooks. Let’s not act like what we see on social media, people jumping to conclusions without nuance.
I agree with the points on wealth (emotionally and worldly). In the world we live in, you IMO cannot be an inspired and inspiring leader if you struggle financially and have to put most of your time and energy into ensuring your basic needs. Shouldn’t be the main point but without financial independence one is way too vulnerable on that front.
Resilience and biological/metabolic balance (like in E:E) is also key.
The following points might touch on some prickly subjects (e. g. politics), please delete, what is over the line.
I like this starting point. But thought through this would make Chosen a kinda radical sub.
There are a lot of aspects probably most can agree on: A Chosen should be a social and cultural architect (I had a similar first gut reaction to the approach as @bujin, but all the tools you need to build a community or a movement can be misused for cultish stuff.), inspiring others, finding emotional connection in the shared project, practical humanism, Good Ideas for Humanity, graceful, empathic leadership etc.
But, for the times we live in, this is not enough.
When you try to build something good (socially, politically) you will probably encounter a barrage of the nihilistic attacks. It’s always easier to just say: “It doesn’t work, it’s shit, let’s burn it all down”, than to explain what you actually want to build and inspire people to build it together.
A normal discussion could be won with a bit rhetoric and good humor (both should be cornerstones of Chosen!) but these attacks aren’t meant for an exchange of arguments but for denying the exchange.
Chosen should bring the tools to quickly and clearly distinguish between people with an honest approach even if its critical and the ones with bad, sabotaging intentions (and bots) and the tools to shut the latter out and down straight away. (E. g. the tactic of “flooding the zone with shit” only serves to distract and to waste time. Swift action is often essential.)
To work properly Chosen has to bring the tools to outbully the bully, ridicule and taint faux arguments and bad actors if needed, to correct public opinion and to deter the baddies from trying it again. Humor feels like the most fitting tool here, to not collide with the empathic, friendly energy of Chosen.
I’ve seen way too many friendly people engaging in good faith with sealions, trolls etc. to burn out quite quickly.
Some more aspects I would like to see in Chosen:
TIMING is everything. Chosen should sharpen the awareness of emotional and social development, to know the right moment to move forward.
The Happy Warrior kinda feels right for Chosen.
If it is a political project: Use the underpinning anger to push forward. (Again: Humor is a good way to formulate anger and grievances and it is socially excepted.)
Light romance scripting that doesn’t affect current relationships in a negative way
What I would like to add in New Chosen:
Wealth acripting for those who need to build their careers and businesses with the Chosen archetype. But for those who don’t want the wealth while running New Chosen, Adaptive Scripting will take care of that
Building sntifragility and hence growing stronger from life lessons
Skill to delegate work so as to be able to focus on leading
Scripting from Destiny Directive and Chiron modules for advisors and teachers among the Chosen
Story telling ability for inspiration
Chosen Voice for soothing and upliftment of others
HERO Origins type of virtue scripting for honor, courage and self-discipline
Chosen Body Language to stand like a rock of light against the forces of darkness
-.Walk of elegant authority to project strength in one’s daily life
Responsibility scripting to take good care of those who avail our help and guidance. Proper value exchsnge so neither are taken advantage of
Chosen Online for social media presence
Meeting and connecting with people wrih a common cause or at least those with some mutual goals
Intelligence for social and communication skills
Debating and understanding skills to sway hearts and minds to a good cause
The ability to be trustworthy and genuine
True Authenticity scripting
Communicating peaceful body language to the one spoken to
Make use of the power of silence for either pausing or sitting in it comfortably
To be true to oneself regardless of society’s criticisms
Protection from evil
Inspiration for ideas
Chosen Writing skills for the inspirational writers
Joy and Love scripting to embrace life
Chosen wit and humor
A glowing face and body to radiate hope in both good and bad times
A healthy body to radiate and heal those close by
Strong hands to help quickly in emergencies
Quick feet to reach the ones who need you most
Inspire others to be Chosen too and pursue their own way of positive leadership. Create more leaders by being a good leader youreelf
Guys, it’s pretty simple. If you don’t want the wealth aspect to affect you, then just don’t work on that part. I don’t think it will overwhelm the script anyway.
You can run Primal all day and night, but if you don’t approach, you don’t approach. You’ll still get the benefits like feeling more relaxed, confident, grounded, but you won’t manifest partners. And that’s perfectly fine.
Same logic applies to wealth. See the wealth component as a bonus, nothing more.
I was speaking to everyone, setting ground rules – spare us any and all emotional hooks right now. In conversations like this, where nuance is being missed and hot emotions are becoming involved, sometimes “being nice and friendly” isn’t what’s necessary.
Clarity is the intended target, since there is clear confusion about how wealth could be implemented within Chosen and what direction it should take. What we should be discussing is: if wealth WAS implemented in Chosen, these are my fears and this is how I’d like to see it implemented…
I am speaking with a level of urgency here. We are not alarmists. We are realists. Look at your world. Look at it, everyone. Look at all that has happened in January alone. The things we have to cope with as a society now did not exist even six months ago. The knowledge and implications of what we’ve seen this month alone has irrevocably changed our lives. Many of the threads that binds us as a society are slowly eroding away. Even people who have learned to cut out collective noise will be affected, because the society around them has.
From my perspective, the Chosen that existed fit the time period perfectly. But we are in new times, and a new approach to things will inevitably arise. So, my apologies if you felt I was attacking you personally, that is not the case.
But, I’m also not going to shy away from telling the truth, even with severity. If we release a version of Chosen that doesn’t fit what you need, it will come back on us.
Even if the person that listen Chosen don’t chase wealth, I want an inner-circle style that creates lead after lead. You meet the right person, who brings you to the next right person. An idea is discussed, you expand on it together, they help you, and this is how success stories are created, like about what happened for you, and fire.
It does sound good. Unfortunately, it’s not the cleanest solution – why I’m keeping it as a “nuclear option.” Many people have bought Chosen. CFW? Not as much. It does not seem fair to those who invested in Chosen to have to buy a new title to get the same experience as the product they originally bought. So, I would like to find a way to give both sides what they want.
We can think of the tools we have at hand, the best being adaptive scripting. Those who have run C&C will attest, with adaptive scripting you can very easily ignore aspects of the tools provided by the script. Don’t like the wealth scripting in Chosen? Pay no mind to it, it won’t affect you. However, given that C&C just came out and the adaptive scripting is still new, many people will not trust that assertion, as the technology will seem untested. We are aware of that, we must consider that.
On another note, I think everyone is getting an insight to what discussions at SubClub HQ are really like. I know people think we’re out here having all these marvelous inner experiences and the such, but 90% of our experience is deep, nuanced debate and analysis.
So, there must be some way that the two sides could see eye-to-eye.
. But knowing how Chosen operates, it would create a massive internal friction. You’d be caught in a constant loop—one minute you couldn’t care less about the people, and the next, you’re humble as hell, wanting to serve people without an ounce of greed. Ultimately, I trust Saint and Fire to bridge that gap, balancing heartfelt leadership with raw wealth acquisition."