Guys, can you please answer this question so we can get this Chosen done? 
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Even if the person that listen Chosen don’t chase wealth, I want an inner-circle style that creates lead after lead. You meet the right person, who brings you to the next right person. An idea is discussed, you expand on it together, they help you, and this is how success stories are created, like about what happened for you, and fire.
That how I can see wealth manifesting in Chosen.
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I think my biggest FEAR would be mismanagement of funds.
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Sounds good to me.
We benefit from the extra option, and DRReg does the job better anyway.
It does sound good. Unfortunately, it’s not the cleanest solution – why I’m keeping it as a “nuclear option.” Many people have bought Chosen. CFW? Not as much. It does not seem fair to those who invested in Chosen to have to buy a new title to get the same experience as the product they originally bought. So, I would like to find a way to give both sides what they want.
We can think of the tools we have at hand, the best being adaptive scripting. Those who have run C&C will attest, with adaptive scripting you can very easily ignore aspects of the tools provided by the script. Don’t like the wealth scripting in Chosen? Pay no mind to it, it won’t affect you. However, given that C&C just came out and the adaptive scripting is still new, many people will not trust that assertion, as the technology will seem untested. We are aware of that, we must consider that.
On another note, I think everyone is getting an insight to what discussions at SubClub HQ are really like. I know people think we’re out here having all these marvelous inner experiences and the such, but 90% of our experience is deep, nuanced debate and analysis.
So, there must be some way that the two sides could see eye-to-eye.
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Perhaps a version with and 1 without similar to how we did the FAME. I am team wealth in Chosen, a completely whole leader with resources… however with both options others are free to choose.
Theres deeper rabbit holes you can go into as well
But i dont want to get suspended from the forum for conspiracy theories
Ok understood
I was not seeing it from that perspective till now, thank you for taking the time to clarify
Edit: these are the ones I think that seem most Chosen like
TRANSFORMATIVE VALUE
Purpose: Your very presence creates real change in people’s lives
Scripting focus:
- Deep awareness of the transformation you catalyze in others
- Recognizing when your words/presence shift someone’s trajectory
- Comfort with the magnitude of your positive influence
- Understanding that life-changing impact has inherent value
- Witnessing the ripples of change you create
What this feels like: You speak to someone, and they later tell you that conversation changed their entire approach to a problem. You don’t strategically plan this - your authentic presence naturally elevates others.
Wealth connection: When you deeply impact someone’s life, they WANT to support your continued work. This isn’t manipulation - it’s natural reciprocity for genuine transformation.
INSPIRATIONAL MAGNETISM
Purpose: Being a light that people naturally move toward
Scripting focus:
- Radiant presence that draws people seeking guidance
- Being visible to those ready for your message
- Natural charisma that makes people want to hear more
- Energy signature that signals “sanctuary/wisdom/hope”
- Authentic expression that resonates with aligned souls
What this feels like: You share an insight, and people feel compelled to share it. Your content gets passed around not because of marketing tactics, but because it genuinely helps people. You become known not through aggressive self-promotion, but through being authentically yourself.
Wealth connection: As your circle of influence grows organically, opportunities and support flow naturally from those whose lives you’ve touched.
RECEIVING WITH GRACE
Purpose: Accepting support without guilt or ego inflation
Scripting focus:
- Comfort receiving abundance from those you’ve helped
- Understanding that refusing support robs others of reciprocity joy
- Graceful acceptance that honors both giver and receiver
- No false humility that dismisses the value you provide
- Recognizing that being well-supported sustains your work
What this feels like: Someone offers to pay you significantly for guidance, and instead of flinching or undercharging, you receive it gracefully - knowing this exchange honors both of you. You don’t feel “above” taking money, nor do you feel guilty for it.
Wealth connection: This is the anti-“struggling healer” scripting. You’re not pursuing wealth, but you’re also not turning it away when it naturally flows to you.
AMPLIFIED REACH
Purpose: Scaling your light to touch more lives
Scripting focus:
- Wisdom about investing in platforms that expand your voice
- Attracting team members aligned with your mission
- Resources flowing to create content/tools that serve at scale
- Opportunities to reach people who need your message
- Leveraging technology/systems to multiply your impact
What this feels like: Instead of one-on-one sessions burning you out, you create courses, write books, build platforms that serve thousands. Not because you’re chasing revenue, but because more people need what you offer than you can reach directly.
Wealth connection: Resources come specifically TO expand reach. Money arrives with the implicit purpose: “use this to help more people.”
HEART-CENTERED DISCERNMENT
Purpose: Choosing aligned opportunities, declining draining ones
Scripting focus:
- Clear intuition about which opportunities serve your mission
- Gentle but firm boundaries with energy vampires
- Recognizing when “yes” would compromise your authenticity
- Saying no to lucrative opportunities that feel wrong
- Trusting that right opportunities will come
What this feels like: You get offered a high-paying speaking gig, but something feels off about the organization’s values. You decline without anxiety because you trust aligned opportunities will emerge. Your boundaries come from inner knowing, not dominance.
Wealth connection: You’re not desperate for any money source. You can be selective, which paradoxically attracts better-aligned (and often more abundant) opportunities.
GROUNDED ELEVATION
Purpose: Success doesn’t disconnect you from humanity
Scripting focus:
- Humility that deepens as influence grows
- Remembering you’re a channel, not the source
- Staying connected to the struggles of those you serve
- Using privilege/resources to uplift rather than separate
- Regular reconnection with your original “why”
- Detecting ego inflation and self-correcting
What this feels like: Even as your audience/income grows, you remain accessible and relatable. You don’t start believing your own hype. You remember you’re serving something greater than yourself. Success makes you more grounded, not more arrogant.
Wealth connection: This prevents the “guru on a mountain” syndrome. You become more generous and connected as resources increase, not more isolated and entitled.
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Dang Bro, that was good 
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THIS. Yes. These are the things I’m looking for (and other things in your post). Thank you for posting this.
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So instead of wealth scripting to chase wealth, it is wealth scripting to let wealth flow easier without necessarily chasing it?
That sounds like a great middle ground. Add the adaptive scripting on top of it, then people will have a more certain way to guide the sub to how they want to implement it.
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All good
I won’t take credit for it though
If I could figure out a way to share my Claude project with the community and yourself I would 
It’s been meticulously trained to think of things like this. Would heavily recommend it to anyone here as it has been instrumental in all my analysis
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So, a small disclaimer, I am an anarchist and strive to ultimately hit the ideal of money and governments, borders, countries, prisons, no longer existing.
With everyone benefiting from automated farming through AI, robots, and drones, powered by renewable ressources, automated mining of asteroids and Mars, and so on in order to get free food and lodgings and be free to use the ressources available to keep building the world and perform whatever work or labor they strive for and want to perform. Be it art, mechanics, electronics, forest guard, or other.
That said, I am not naive, I can see that we live in a world that opposes these ideals. And will probably continue for some decades, if not a century. And as with all illnesses, I expect it to get worse before it get better.
I’ve been in associations and seen first hand that although they greatly help, they use the labor of those who can’t work anywhere else, the handicapped, the jobless, the homeless. Most volunteers struggled, though a couple had good job. The leaders had great ties with politics, one of them being a mayor councilor.
There are multiple free living communities, communities of people that help each others build homes for next to nothing, or share work for next to nothing. Though they are rare and obscure, hard to find. I thought to myself for a while I could sell everything and join them, but then I see it as abandoning my duties, as escaping into obscurity. Because the truth is such people are shut from the world, and forgotten by most. Because it brings neither money, nor power, nor control, to the elite at the top to promote such lifestyle.
I saw a group that made residential buildings that buy themselves buy themselves back through a legal structure built such that renewable energy production by the buildings is reimbursing the investors (the inhabitants) so that ultimately the building owns itself and people may go to live there for free on a consensus basis amongst the group.
These buildings cost a ton, many millions of capital, and was bought by community foundraiser amongst people who wanted to buy an apartment and had the money to. This is an avenue, but cost money and time to organise, money and time we don’t have while we are stuck in survival mode, running in the hamster wheel work-commute-sleep.
I also wanted to make ecological deeptech more well known, democratizing new edge technologies such as by creating a business that make modular residential buildings out of superwood and transparent wood (for instance), but again, although making such edge ecological innovations more widespread would be a great relief on the highly stressed ecosystem, it cost a ton to make such a business.
There are huge opportunities to build renewable structures, ecological powerhouses, solar-punk, and so on in Africa, but again, although it is the will of many pan-african countries to go that direction and build proper structure even without the support of richer countries, even while being ignored by such richer countries similarly to the free living eco communities I mentioned earlier, but again all of that cost money, and even more, visibility.
As I see it, power and money is a multiplier, people with a vision based on fear and control will be able to spread more fear and control if they have money. People with a vision based on love and care will be able to spread more love and care if they have money.
Money thus cause an, in my opinion unfair, imbalance. Hence why I don’t really see it’s place in a post scarcity world, such as when fusion will inevitably become successful and spread, along with the soon incoming quantum AI singularity.
But in the meantime, that imbalance could be used to prop up communities, associations, initiatives that benefit the world, charities that actually try to cut the problems at the root instead of paliating symptoms, along with sustaining those that do treat symptoms, and so on.
Hence, wealth scripting could be useful, as long as it’s written in such a way that it promote strong ethics and avoid fears (which greed and avidity are a subset of), or well, more accurately promote the courage to go beyond the fears and take the risks necessary to change the world for the better.
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Sounds perfect to me. I’ve had to deal with a lot of that stuff. To the point where I got a cleaning job where I get to work alone when places are closed.
Some people apparently can’t help their presence and are naturally, a leader or healer just by existing. I’m a fan of Chosen as is, and it looks like the upgrade will only be better.
Harmony in life includes abundance, and sometimes money.
Found an AI overview.
Money does not fundamentally change a person’s character; rather, it acts as a magnifier or “unmasker” that amplifies existing traits, values, and tendencies
Wealth removes constraints, allowing a person’s true nature—whether generous or selfish, kind or arrogant—to become more visible. It brings hidden characteristics to the surface.
Key Aspects of Money as a Revealer:
Amplifies Character:** Money acts as a magnifying glass, turning up the volume on who you already are. A kind person with money may become more philanthropic, while a selfish person becomes more greedy.
Removes Pretenses:** It removes the need to hide, exposing true motives and core values that were already present.
Highlights Choices:** The way money is used—whether for personal gain or to help others—reveals true character rather than the amount possessed.
Not a Fix:** Wealth does not fix underlying personal issues or change DNA; it simply makes them more apparent.
In essence, wealth is a tool that showcases what is already within.
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@SaintSovereign In full support of making Chosen more dominant, have wealth scripting and an overall edge.
People who are purely service-to-others will inevitably get stomped by people who are purely service-to-self. This world requires love that is sourced from a position of being highly aware, capable, and ready to go beyond that if necessary.
Once you are the apex predator in your field, you can choose to change the game completely instead of just repeating the given prey-on-the-weak approach. But for that to even be possible, you have to be strong enough to matter and aware enough not to get manipulated. Financial independence isn’t something that can be ignored in that regard.
I´d like to see scripting of the All-Seeing and Destiny Directive modules in the new Chosen.
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The way you guys already approach wealth involves a providing of benefit to the customer. Taking advantage of that flow, someone has something they need, you can provide it in a way that they’re willing to pay for.
Why not focus Chosen’s wealth on embodying the values that are already important to the user? When you naturally embody something, you attract people that also value that thing. If it’s approached from that way, it could become a feedback loop. If the user so chooses, they find a way to profitably sustain how they want to positively impact the world. People both support that system with money and receive the benefit to their life. Basically finding both “emotional profit” on top of the physical profit. Let the concepts be married to each other such that they’re one and the same.
Let’s say I want to help all the stray cats that live in my city find homes, because I value their lives. If I start a cat cafe where people pay to visit and play with the cats, I’m now generating income to support the business, creating an avenue for likeminded people who also like cats to adopt the ones they think are cute, and providing value for those who just want to play with cute cats for an hour every few weeks. The experience provides value to the customers, who now spread the word and make it more popular to people who also value cats. The business itself scales larger as more supporters join the feedback loop. The mission itself was always for good, and it inherently seeks out people with common values.
Essentially, scale the wealth with the impact needed to support the goals that the user has. If I’m just letting friends play with my cats in my apartment, no need to make money off of it. If I’m going to be making a full-blown cafe, I’m gonna need a little bit of dough to keep it running. Make it so that the “customers” in whatever case also get to directly support the cause that the “business” is selling. Obviously this is just one example and I simplified it quite a bit, but that kind of approach might work to satisfy people on both sides. Call it the “value feedback loop” or whatever, since you’re providing (monetary and emotional) value, pursuing what you (emotionally) value, and allow others to help you further provide that value. As you scale, you attract more likeminded people with that same value, letting it snowball into something bigger, helping you leave a greater positive impact.
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I have to admit that I am not really relating to this whole debate.
We know how Zero Point works. We know how the subs work.
They do not force you to do anything. And they blend and adapt to your committed priorities.
Subs work through YOU. So if you don’t want to work with, understand, or effectively engage with wealth flows, you will simply choose not to do so.
The theme I’m hearing almost sounds like: ‘Don’t build a library in our town or we’ll be forced to waste all of our time reading’ or ‘Please don’t provide electric lamps or we’ll be forced to stay up all night and will never get any sleep’.
It also reminds me of when women friends of mine used to say, ‘Oh, I don’t want to go to the gym. I don’t want to get so muscular.’
Access to a gym gives you the option to develop large, powerful muscles, yes. But to realize that option, you’ll need to apply work…and a lot of it. (You also need the presence of a whole lot of supportive biological factors.) None of the people who said that were in any danger of becoming Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 1970s.
It almost sounds like people are implying that if you play a subliminal program with Wealth-support, it will somehow force you to change your own values to become wealth-obsessed or even wealth-focused.
Has this actually been anyone’s experience of subliminal programs? Because it hasn’t been mine.
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Mine neither.
Imo that highlightes all the limiting beliefs around abundance, it automatically being unethical etc., the same way it happened in the Commander ideas thread with people associating dominance with bullying by default.
Like Saint said, it´s projecting.
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I think you’ve identified and named a core dynamic. We fear, quite reasonably, that power increases of any sort will erode ethical character and quality.
We’ve seen it so many times.
And so we associate the presence of avenues to power with the sinister increase of immorality and with the allure of temptations to low character.
Ironically, this is, I think, precisely what CHOSEN is meant to counteract.
But a LEADER is going to wield power.
This is simply a fact.
And power is ultimately wealth; whether directly or indirectly.
I’d rather have leaders who can look cleanly and clearly (and competently) at the complex, often messy, dynamics of power (including wealth). And I’d rather be that type of leader myself.
It’s very unlikely to transcend something that you have not faced and understood.
Ignorance and avoidance do not tend to support transcendence.
I’m sure there are other nuances or aspects of this debate that I am not fully grasping or appreciating. But as to the above points, at least, these are my opinions.
I also prefer my leaders to be human; and to be humbly aware of that fact. I don’t need a mommy or a daddy; I was fortunate to already have that phase of my life. And it’s done now. So I don’t need some exaggerated, repressed projection screen. I prefer an honest, skilled, and humble leader who can articulate our shared ideals without having to pretend to embody them flawlessly.
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Great post Malkuth.
I do agree that the general “fear” is understandable, yet by trying to stay small and avoid the topic of power (money in this example) altogether, we create the very blind spots you’ve mentioned. Power is ultimately the capacity for change, whether on a more personal, individual, or societal/collective level.
It’s a part of existence one has to deal with, one way or another.
By rejecting this capacity for change outright, we leave massive blind spots and stunt our growth on all levels; it would only lead to more issues in the long run.
Something that keeps coming to mind is that I prefer to be around actually “dominant” (self-governed) people, because they usually don’t require most—if any—of the bullshit tactics used by those who haven’t integrated their shadows yet (I’m calling out my own past, and to some extent surely my current self here too).
Overall, it really comes down to truly understanding, owning, and integrating the “shadow” of the human experience, allowing yourself to consciously choose your being and actions.
In my opinion, genuinely strong people are infinitely less likely to abuse their power; more often, it’s those trying to compensate for a sense of weakness that you need to be cautious about.
Ignorance is the real enemy.
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