Main Idea Thread - Chosen

[Malkuth]

I aspire to integrate shadow, but so far, in my experience, after an initial dramatic surge, it’s a slow and gradual process. And, for now, I’m cool with that.

I don’t think anyone is trying to stay small or to be ‘weak and not strong’; at least not in a simple, dichotomous way.

If anything I think the fear might be more about not trusting other people to develop past the ‘more is better’ perspective on money and power.

Some people, in the world and here on the forum, have already reached their financial goals and realized their wealth dreams. They have achieved well and are satisfied and are ready to move onto other more interesting or compelling things. I think that the feeling against including Wealth scripting in Chosen also comes from this place.

It’s like, ‘Oh, come on! Not again! Even here?!’

Imagine climbing on foot for 7 weeks to a spiritual retreat at the top of the Himalayas, and when you reach the peak, there’s a McDonald’s golden arches and a plastic Ronald McDonald clown playing a ‘Congratulations! You’ve reached the top!’ message.

I think it’s a bit of that kind of feeling.

I don’t like that either.

It’s just that I don’t think that’s what Saint and Fire will create.

Anyway, that’s enough out of me. I won’t even have a free space in my stack for the next four months or so, in any case.

[Antares]

@Malkuth

If anything I think the fear might be more about not trusting other people to develop past the ‘more is better’ perspective on money and power.

The way I see it, this fear is as much about not trusting others with power as it is about not trusting ourselves with it— as within, so without.

The amount of trust I can choose to place in, say, a total stranger directly reflects the level of trust I have in myself and the accuracy of my perception. If I can’t (learn to) trust myself on an unconscious level with power—whatever metric one wants to apply—how can I trust others to wield it responsibly?
How can I expect and experience others exercising power ethically if I don’t even trust myself, the person I live and breathe with every single day, to wield it?

Chosen strives to help us achieve genuine positive changes in the world, and in my opinion, the most effective way to ensure the longevity of those changes is to start from the foundation within the aspiring leaders who will use Chosen.

@Malkuth

I won’t even have a free space in my stack for the next four months or so, in any case.

Just for the record, I think what you’ve mentioned is highly valuable; all the perspectives shared here really are.

I may not run Chosen right off the bat—Commander probably not at all—but I see these idea threads as great spreadsheets to (pre-)“digest” the topics the respective subliminals touch upon. They feel more like a reflection of the collective unconscious than simply “basic feedback” for the SC founders.

[Parsifal]

One theme I’d like to see in Chosen would be its own variant of Ardent Light scripting.

I think we’ve seen it all in one way or another.
People start a project or are a part of it.
They’re highly idealistic.
But over time, their darker sides get fed by the power, be it money, influence or anything else.
And everything they worked for gets corrupted by their own not-integrated shadows.

The first examples that popped up in my head were John of God and Marcial Maciel.
I can’t know for sure, but I believe they started with the best of intentions. But power presented possibilities they couldn’t withstand over time.
Because they never acknowledged and healed these traits.

Another example are Epstein like operations which slowly corrupt good people to make them controllable via blackmail.

If you want to be a leader, you need to work on your vices so they can’t be used against you and your cause.

Another, more positive example is Mahatma Ghandi. He once was asked by a mother to tell her son to avoid sugar because it’s unhealthy.
He said her to send him over in a month.
After a month he told him to cut sugar from his life.
When the mother asked him why she needed to wait for a month before sending her son over. Ghandi said, he needed this month to cut sugar from his own life first.
That’s how you do business. You lead by positive example.

[Venus]

@Malkuth

The theme I’m hearing almost sounds like: ‘Don’t build a library in our town or we’ll be forced to waste all of our time reading’ or ‘Please don’t provide electric lamps or we’ll be forced to stay up all night and will never get any sleep’.

I find this very insulting. Nobody is saying that. The metaphor is ridiculous.
How many times have we been told not to build kitchen sink customs? We have been told that simpler, lighter subs are faster. My concern is not to add to my processing queue stuff that I don’t want becuase I don’t want to overwhelm my subscouncious. The following is a quote from SC Subliminal master class Day 7:
"That is why there is something called the subliminal processing limit.

This is the limit of how much subliminal input you can process in a day - have too much input, and you’ll be faced with fatigue, excess reconciliation and other side effects."

Wealth is something that I am not likely to take action on, other than my current job, and I am corcern that if it is in the sub, I may have reconciliation.

What I am looking for here is reasurance or solutions from the producers, not belittling comments from anybody else.

[Malkuth]

a fair point

sorry that you felt insulted

[MAkh]

I went through a few iterations of this. Only included details I thought could be helpful:

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Summary

CORE CONCEPT: PROTECTED RADIANCE

The fundamental paradox Chosen must solve: “How to remain open-hearted and warm while being unshakeable and protected”

This isn’t Emperor with better PR. It’s a completely different energy signature:

• Emperor: “I dominate the space, threats submit to my power”

• Chosen: “My light is so steady that darkness cannot diminish it”

• Old Chosen: Pure inspiration, open heart, transformative presence

• New Chosen: All of the above + protected, resourced, resilient enough to survive what’s coming

Not just a lighthouse (beacon), but a lighthouse with a foundation that withstands storms and resources to keep the light burning.

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THE THREE-LAYER ARCHITECTURE

LAYER 1: THE RADIANT CORE (Unchanged Chosen DNA)

The heart of what makes Chosen special

Transformative Presence:

• Your words naturally shift perspectives and open possibilities
• People feel safe to be vulnerable around you
• Presence that catalyzes growth in others just by being yourself
• Speaking to people’s highest potential without preaching
• Natural warmth that draws people seeking guidance

Authentic Inspiration:

• Leading from lived truth, not borrowed wisdom
• Inspiring through genuine example rather than performance
• Vision that rallies people around shared purpose
• Humble radiance - knowing your worth without needing validation
• Making people believe in themselves more after encountering you

Open Heart Intelligence:

• Deep empathy that understands what’s unspoken
• Reading people’s genuine needs beneath their words
• Compassion that heals without fixing
• Holding space for others’ darkness without absorbing it
• Love that transforms through acceptance, not judgment

LAYER 2: THE UNSHAKEABLE FOUNDATION (New - Resilience)

This is SaintSovereign's "protection against wolves" component, but implemented through RADIANCE not ARMOR:

A. GROUNDED CLARITY

Inner Knowing:

• So clear on your truth that manipulation becomes obvious instantly
• Deep self-trust that makes gaslighting impossible
• Unshakeable knowing of your mission and values
• Center so strong external chaos doesn’t penetrate
• Calm certainty that people instinctively respect

What this feels like: Someone tries to manipulate you and you simply… know. Not through strategic analysis, but through immediate inner clarity. You’re not fighting them - you’re just unmovable.

How it protects: Manipulators need you to doubt yourself. When you’re this clear, there’s nothing for them to work with.

B. NATURAL DISCERNMENT

Energy Sensitivity:

• Immediate feeling when something/someone is aligned or not
• Recognizing genuine people effortlessly
• Sensing hidden agendas without needing proof
• Your body tells you who’s safe before your mind analyzes
• Gravitating toward authenticity automatically

What this feels like: You meet someone and just KNOW whether they’re genuine or performing. Not judgment - simple recognition. Like recognizing a familiar song.

How it protects: You naturally move toward aligned people and away from toxic ones, without drama or explicit rejection.

C. GENTLE BOUNDARIES

Kind but Unmovable:

• Saying no with warmth but absolute clarity
• Declining without guilt, explanation, or apology
• Boundaries that feel like natural preferences, not walls
• Firmness that comes from self-respect, not dominance
• Protection that doesn’t harden your heart

What this feels like: “I see your request, I understand your need, and my answer is no.” Said with genuine kindness but zero room for negotiation. Not aggressive - just clear.

How it protects: People learn quickly that you’re loving but not pushover. Energy vampires lose interest because there’s no drama to feed on.

D. SUSTAINED CAPACITY

Sacred Sustainability:

• Knowing when to step back without guilt
• Refilling your well so you can keep serving
• Understanding rest is requirement, not luxury
• Protecting your energy as service to those you help
• Long-term availability over short-term heroics

What this feels like: You’re tired and you simply stop. Not because you’re weak, but because burning out serves no one. Your mission requires your sustained presence.

How it protects: Prevents the “burned out healer” syndrome. You stay effective long-term instead of brilliant but brief.

LAYER 3: THE RESOURCED MISSION (New - Ethical Abundance)

This is the controversial wealth piece, but here's how to make it authentically CHOSEN:

A. FOUNDATION LIBERATION

Freedom from Survival Mode:

• Financial floor that removes “how will I eat” anxiety
• Enough resources to focus on mission rather than scrambling
• Ability to invest in your own growth and health
• Not choosing between rent and calling
• Basic comfort that allows sustained service

Implementation: This is PASSIVE abundance - removing obstacles, not driving acquisition. Your subconscious ensures baseline needs are met through natural opportunities.

Why it’s light processing: Not “build wealth empire,” just “stay above water.” Minimal cycles required.

B. VALUE RECOGNITION

Comfortable Receiving:

• Understanding that transformation has inherent value
• Pricing aligned with actual impact delivered
• Receiving gratitude and support without guilt or inflation
• Knowing that undercharging dishonors both parties
• Comfortable with abundance flowing from genuine service

What this feels like: Someone’s life changes because of your guidance. They offer significant payment. You receive gracefully, knowing this exchange honors the transformation.

How it works: Removes the “spiritual poverty” block without creating “empire building” goal. You’re not pursuing wealth - you’re simply not turning it away.

C. MISSION AMPLIFICATION

Resourceful Impact:

• Noticing opportunities where resources could scale your reach
• Wisdom about investing in platforms/tools/team that serve more people
• Attracting supporters who want to fund your mission
• Resources arriving with implicit purpose: “use this to help more people”
• Natural synchronicities bringing aligned support

What this feels like: You need equipment to reach more people. Someone donates it. You need help. The right person volunteers. Not manifestation tricks - alignment magnetism.

Implementation through adaptive scripting:

• For users building mission businesses: Active opportunity recognition
• For users focused pure leadership: Passive resource attraction
• For users not wealth-focused: Minimal baseline only

D. ETHICAL ANCHORING

Character-Amplifying Wealth:

• Money amplifies existing character (so character must be strong)
• Regular self-reflection: “Am I serving or seeking validation?”
• Detecting when ego hijacks mission
• Humility that deepens as influence grows
• Using resources to uplift, not separate

What this feels like: Success makes you MORE grounded, not less. MORE generous, not stingy. MORE accessible, not isolated. Wealth proves you’re on path when it enables more service.

The mechanism: Every wealth gain triggers automatic self-check: “How does this serve the mission? Who am I becoming?”

CRITICAL DESIGN PRINCIPLES

1. RADIANCE OVER ARMOR

The difference:

• Emperor: “I detect threats and dominate them”
• Chosen: “My light is so steady that shadows can’t diminish it”

Implementation: Protection comes from PRESENCE not FORCE. You’re not fighting darkness - you’re just too bright for it to affect you.

2. MAGNETISM OVER PURSUIT

The difference:

• Mogul: “I strategically pursue and capture opportunities”
• Chosen: “Aligned opportunities naturally find me”

Implementation: Attraction mechanics, not acquisition frameworks. You’re visible to the right people, invisible to wrong ones.

3. CONSEQUENCE OVER GOAL

The difference:

• Emperor/EOG: “Build wealth as primary objective”
• Chosen: “Serve authentically, resources follow naturally”

Implementation: Wealth scripting is BYPRODUCT mechanics. “When you transform lives → gratitude flows → resources arrive.” Not “strategically acquire resources.”

4. PARADOX EMBODIMENT

The core challenge: Simultaneously being:

• Open-hearted AND boundaried
• Compassionate AND discerning
• Gentle AND unmovable
• Inspiring AND grounded
• Wealthy AND humble

Implementation: Script these as INTEGRATED, not balanced. Not “50% soft, 50% hard” but “100% warm presence that’s somehow unshakeable.”

ADAPTIVE SCRIPTING IMPLEMENTATION

Use C&C tech so the wealth component adjusts intensity based on user’s actual focus:

HIGH INTENSITY (building mission-aligned business):

• Active opportunity recognition
• Financial intelligence for scaling
• Value creation frameworks
• Resource multiplication awareness

MEDIUM INTENSITY (wanting stability while leading):

• Baseline comfort achievement
• Graceful receiving mechanisms
• Synchronicity enhancement
• Basic resourcefulness

LOW INTENSITY (pure leadership focus):

• Only obstacle removal (spiritual poverty blocks)
• Minimal baseline sustainability
• No active wealth building
• Protection from exploitation

The key: Users running Emperor/Mogul don’t get duplicate frameworks. Pure leadership users don’t get reconciliation from unused wealth scripting.

MODULE SELECTION STRATEGY

INCLUDE:

From Chosen lineage:

• Original Chosen cores (transformative presence)
• Love Bomb elements (open-hearted connection)
• Ascension-type elevation (raising consciousness)

New additions:

• Natural Winner (effortless success through authenticity)
• Adaptability modules for changing circumstances
• Inner voice/intuition enhancement for discernment
• Energetic Development for sustainable capacity
• Modules supporting gentle but firm boundaries

From C&C:

• Adaptive scripting framework
• Ethical wealth creation mechanics (NOT aggressive acquisition)
• Value recognition without ego inflation

EXPLICITLY AVOID:

• Aggressive acquisition frameworks (that’s Emperor)
• Dominance hierarchies (that’s Alpha/Emperor)
• Strategic manipulation (that’s Mogul)
• Empire-building architectures (that’s Ascended Mogul)
• Heavy manifestation focus (that’s RICH)
• Social domination (that’s Khan)

THE “ANTI-FALSE-LIGHT” MECHANISM

Since SaintSovereign specifically mentioned countering false leadership:

NOT: “Detecting false leaders in others” (judgmental) INSTEAD: "Maintaining uncompromising authenticity in self"

How it works:

• Deep commitment to genuine service over performance
• Immediate discomfort when you’re being inauthentic
• Self-awareness that catches ego inflation early
• Regular reconnection with your original “why”
• Using influence to empower others, not create dependency
• Leading people to their own power, not your personality

Protection mechanism: You become IMMUNE to false light tactics because you’re so committed to real light. Someone tries spiritual bypassing? Your energy naturally rejects it. Not through judgment, but through clarity.

For recognizing false leaders: Not through strategic analysis, but through energy recognition. You FEEL the difference between authentic and performative. Your body tells you.

WHAT THIS FEELS LIKE IN PRACTICE

Scenario 1: Energy Vampire

Emperor Response: Identify threat, assert dominance, establish hierarchy, force submission

Chosen Response: Feel immediately that energy is draining. Gentle but absolute boundary: “I can’t continue this conversation.” Said with kindness but zero negotiation. Person either respects it or naturally drifts away. No drama, no fight - just clarity.

Scenario 2: Financial Opportunity

Mogul Response: Analyze ROI, strategic positioning, market domination potential, execute acquisition

Chosen Response: Feel whether opportunity aligns with mission. If yes, natural enthusiasm and action. If no, gentle decline without anxiety. Resources come from service, not strategy.

Scenario 3: Manipulation Attempt

Emperor Response: Detect manipulation, counter-manipulate, establish dominance, win power struggle

Chosen Response: Know instantly something’s off. Not through analysis - through feeling. Simply disengage without explanation. Too clear on your truth for gaslighting to work. Manipulator finds no purchase.

Scenario 4: Success & Influence Growing

Emperor Response: Leverage position for more power, build empire, expand dominance

Chosen Response: Deep gratitude that more people can be served. Automatic humility check: “Am I still genuine? Am I creating dependency or empowerment?” Success makes you MORE grounded, not less. Resources used to uplift others.

CRITICAL DIFFERENTIATORS

This is NOT:

• Emperor with ethics
• Mogul with compassion
• Ascended Mogul with boundaries
• RICH with leadership

This IS:

• Chosen (radiant transformative leader)
• With protection (unshakeable foundation)
• With resources (mission sustainability)
• Without losing warmth (paradox embodiment)

ADDRESSING SPECIFIC CONCERNS

Venus (processing load): Adaptive scripting means if you’re not acting on wealth, it stays passive/minimal. No reconciliation from unused scripts.

Bujin (cult leader vibes): Ethical anchoring + humility deepening + empowerment focus prevents guru syndrome. Money amplifies existing character, so character must be strong.

MAkh (empire building distraction): Wealth is consequence of service, not primary goal. Mission stays forefront. Resources enable more service, not status.

SaintSovereign (leaders being eaten by wolves): Unshakeable foundation + natural discernment + gentle boundaries + financial stability = protected without hardening.

[SaintSovereign]

I know people are projecting and being triggered when @Malkuth of all people of being accused of belittling someone. In the history of Subliminal Club, @Malkuth has never even said a rude word to another person and is always giving everyone gentle philosophical words of wisdom.

We’re not going to have this demonization of the “other side” here, where people who support wealth in Chosen (or vice versa) gets yelled at for being disrespectful because individuals are taking comments meant for everyone personally. Everyone has the right to give their opinion freely, and that’s what needs to happen in this thread, like ASAP or I’ll simply lock it for a bit so everyone can cool down.

The question right now is: If wealth is included in Chosen, what form should it take? @MAkh graciously started the conversation with some good ideas. We should be responding to that, not distorting people’s opinions.

Unless someone is calling out another person out explicitly, let us please refrain from taking things personally. People are allowed to exist and have their ideas.

[MAkh]

I reflected hard on this comment

Thank you for taking your time explaining that

I think it has really shifted my perspective on what you’re trying to achieve here. And also the state of the world we’re in

It’s gone beyond just creating subliminals hasn’t it

I can see why you want to run Chosen yourself as well. It seems very fitting if I am understanding correctly from the changes you want to make in this world

And I think I am seeing the pattern now GLM, Regeneration, Chosen…

[ksub]

@SaintSovereign

The question right now is: If wealth is included in Chosen, what form should it take

If moral integrity is part of leadership, then being in a position where a leader cannot be bought or financially compromised is not optional. No one is saying a leader has to be a millionaire, but a leader should be financially secure enough that attempts at corruption are ineffective. It is much easier to maintain integrity when your basic needs are met.

For example: if you are a parent who cannot put food on the table, which means you are not properly leading your own family, it is hard to justify trying to lead others.

Effective leadership should begin only after the first two levels of Maslow’s hierarchy are covered. Otherwise, you risk becoming a giant with feet of clay.

You need to have your own basic situation in order before you try to inspire, guide, or lead anyone else.

[Pyro]

The subliminals here at Subliminal Club have always been grounded in reality. While in the perfect world you shouldn’t need wealth to achieve anything, in reality this world’s lifeblood is the concept of exchanging resources. You need money/some sort of resource to do just about anything right down to the basic needs of water, food, and shelter which in most of the world all require money.

Also, I feel like its a limiting belief that you can’t be wealthy and still be a virtuous leader. Our world doesn’t need to be a zero sum game. A leader who leads from true abundance rather than virtue signaling, but struggling with money, I feel would have a far greater impact.

I feel like the medieval church really drove home the point that poverty is true abundance/virtousness/saintliness (while those same leaders who were preaching that were living in large estates and palaces with vast lands to generate astronomical income from the poor people that they drilled this mindset into), there is deep collective concious wound that has the sense that you can’t be a good/virtous/saintly person and be wealthy at the same time.

A chosen leader who is secure in their finances has more leverage to enact the changes they want to see in the world.

The question is I think. How much impact should this archetype have. If you are going after world leaders/ceos/community leaders to run this, money is a non-negotiable “necessary evil” that they will be forced to interact with and need. Especially any sort of politican.

If this is more CHOSEN Within, where you are just trying to transform yourself without aggressive impact goals, then you could probably leave abundance/wealth scripting out.

Not that someone without the wealth scripting couldn’t leave a big impact, there is just a much higher probability of increased impact if you have the wealth to use as leverage.

I really do believe that it comes down to leverage. Someone with a pure heart, but considerably wealthy can move mountains compared the same pure heart, but less financially abundant. That could be a limiting belief, but history has yet to prove to me otherwise. Even the great spiritual/civil rights/enlightenment leaders we think about had to be backed by money somehow even if they themselves didn’t have it.

I personally have no skin in the game as I don’t feel chosen is my archetype, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

[KingofClubz]

I consulted ChatGPT about my Conservative Chosen upgrade and asked

@SaintSovereign

If wealth is included in Chosen, what form should it take?

Here is what it said:

Summary

If wealth is added to Chosen, it cannot be “money attraction” or “riches raining from the sky” without breaking the integrity of the product.

Chosen is about authority.
So wealth must appear as a by-product of leadership, not a spell.

Here’s the correct form wealth should take — clean, conservative, and congruent with Chosen’s ethos, then I’ll show how to 10× it without contaminating the core.

THE CORE PRINCIPLE

Chosen ≠ money magnet
Chosen = value → leverage → responsibility → reward

Wealth should emerge because:

• people trust you
• people follow you
• people give you responsibility
• people allocate resources to you
• people want you at the helm

So wealth must be encoded as economic gravity, not desire.

THE RIGHT FORM OF WEALTH INSIDE CHOSEN

1. Authority-Based Wealth (Primary Form)

This is the cleanest and most aligned implementation.

Scripting focus:

• being entrusted with budgets, capital, and resources
• being promoted into decision-making roles
• people willingly paying for your guidance, leadership, or vision
• being chosen for responsibility, not chasing opportunity
• wealth arriving through position, not luck

Effect in real life:
You don’t “manifest money.”
Money follows your authority.

2. Leverage & Value Creation Wealth

Wealth should express itself as leverage, not accumulation.

Encoded upgrades:

• seeing scalable opportunities
• understanding systems, hierarchies, and incentives
• building assets instead of trading time
• multiplying impact with less effort
• instinctively moving toward high-leverage activities

This keeps Chosen elite, not gimmicky.

3. Decision Clarity Around Money

This is huge and often missed.

Install scripting for:

• calm financial decision-making
• long-term thinking over impulse
• risk calibration (neither reckless nor timid)
• comfort holding large numbers and responsibility
• emotional neutrality around money

This prevents boom-bust cycles and aligns with leadership psychology.

4. Reputation-Driven Income

Chosen already builds presence and respect.

Wealth should emerge as:

• reputation precedes you
• people seek you out
• your name carries weight
• offers come inbound
• compensation reflects perceived authority

This is “paid because of who you are,” not what you pitch.

5. Wealth as Stewardship (NOT greed)

This is critical.

Correct frame:

• wealth = tool for leadership
• money = fuel for vision
• capital = responsibility
• prosperity = proof of alignment

This preserves the ethical and noble tone of Chosen.

WHAT WEALTH SHOULD NOT BE IN CHOSEN

To protect the product’s integrity, avoid:

• “money attraction” language
• lottery / luck scripting
• get-rich-quick framing
• obsession with luxury symbols
• transactional manipulation
• romanticized greed

That belongs in Ascended Mogul — not Chosen.

THE IDEAL STRUCTURE:

THE SOVEREIGN WEALTH SUB-ENGINE (CLEAN VERSION)

If wealth is added, it should live as a sub-engine, not the main core:

Name (example):
“Stewardship & Resource Command Module”

Contains:

• authority-linked compensation
• high-leverage decision-making
• reputation-driven income
• calm relationship with capital
• long-term wealth orientation
• ethical stewardship mindset

Positioning:

“You do not chase wealth.
Wealth is entrusted to you.”

10× VERSION (WITHOUT CORRUPTING CHOSEN)

If you wanted the mythic version while keeping it clean:

Economic Gravity

• capital flows toward you naturally
• opportunities cluster around your presence
• resources organize around your vision
• money follows your decisions
• value compounds around your leadership

Still not attraction — organization.

ONE SENTENCE THAT DEFINES IT

Chosen does not make you rich.
It makes you the man wealth is entrusted to.

That’s the correct frame.

Below is a brand-pure, high-status “wealth-lite” disclaimer that elevates the product while protecting it.

WEALTH & RESPONSIBILITY NOTICE

(Chosen: Alpha Leadership — Wealth-Lite Integration)

Chosen is not a wealth, money, or “manifestation” subliminal.

Any references to prosperity, abundance, or financial improvement within Chosen exist only as a secondary effect of leadership, responsibility, and value creation — never as an end in itself.

Chosen does not promise:

• instant financial gain
• luck-based income
• passive wealth
• speculative or high-risk success
• material rewards without effort

Instead, Chosen is designed to cultivate the inner qualities that naturally lead to trust, authority, and stewardship — the conditions under which wealth is earned, entrusted, and sustained.

Where financial improvement occurs, it arises through:

• increased responsibility
• expanded influence
• higher-quality decision-making
• reputation-based opportunity
• long-term value creation

Wealth, within the Chosen framework, is treated as a tool — not a pursuit.

Chosen does not encourage greed, obsession, or excess.
It encourages clarity, integrity, and readiness to hold responsibility.

If you are seeking a subliminal focused specifically on wealth accumulation, financial attraction, or income acceleration, Chosen may not be the appropriate product for you.

Chosen is for those who understand that:

Money follows leadership — not the other way around.

Brand Intent Statement

Chosen exists to develop leaders, not consumers of desire.

Any material benefit is a byproduct of alignment, competence, and trust — not subconscious coercion or chance.

This distinction is intentional and non-negotiable.

IMHO it’s spot on

[TheGreenMan]

@SaintSovereign

@Malkuth has never even said a rude word to another person and is always giving everyone gentle philosophical words of wisdom.

And it’s IMO an incredibly important point @Malkuth made:

Subs do not take away agency from us, they give us more, as we have more open roads to choose from then before.

I see @Venus’ point though too. The more focussed the sub, the better.

Won’t Q Pro be adressing that in a way?

Maybe the wealth aspect could be reframed a bit. Not so much aimed at accumulating wealth as a goal but building a foundation, so one has a steady income, and can do the work of the heart without worry and fear.

A stronger focus on passive income (for more time to do the important stuff) would make sense. Reducing cost, sharing possible risks, find funding through networking and strong emphasis on Ikigai (whatever the project is for, to put it on a sound financial foundation).

[SaintSovereign]

@TheGreenMan

I see @Venus’ point though too. The more focussed the sub, the better.

Well, there’s a difference between a kitchensink custom and what we mean by “we won’t make kitchensink titles.” A kitchensink custom is one that tries to cover too much ground without any sort of thematic grounding. It’s a title with something like Dragon Reborn: Regeneration, Wanted Black, tons of wealth modules and also physical healing. And while that type of custom will still generate results, given the fact that it’s spread across multiple topics, results will arrive slower.

Wealth within Chosen wouldn’t have that problem, since it would be integrated into the very ethos of the title itself. For example, @MAkh 's posting about wealth through genuine and authentic abundance really unlocked a viewpoint within me. I already had an idea of the overall theme, but needed more insight into the HOW, and this unlocked that:

@MAkh

What this feels like: Someone offers to pay you significantly for guidance, and instead of flinching or undercharging, you receive it gracefully - knowing this exchange honors both of you. You don’t feel “above” taking money, nor do you feel guilty for it.

Wealth connection: This is the anti-“struggling healer” scripting. You’re not pursuing wealth, but you’re also not turning it away when it naturally flows to you.

And those of you who responded in kind – we saw. We appreciate it.

I don’t think anyone would have a problem with wealth flowing into your life as an outflow of your own inner abundance and dedication to your craft / mission / leadership. When I described it as “radiant Emperor,” I only did so because we originally described it like that as we didn’t have many titles back then. That was my mistake – times have changed, we have a much more diverse customerbase and I need to update even my own internal lingo.

So, let’s reframe what I was suggesting for Chosen, keeping this in mind. My actual idea is (THEMATICALLY, not literally – there’s nuance) a blend of GLM + Genesis: Happiness and Joy + Hero: Origins (with a more universal ethical code rather than focusing on a niche code) + Mogul (in regards to the lighter wealth scripting, but enhanced with adaptive scripting).

The goal here is to potentially produce leaders who (among many other things):

• Turns trauma into wisdom, medicine for the world
• Leads from the heart, not the ego
• Understands wealth as a tool for inspiration, not to hoard – helps them achieve their personal leadership mission
• Will help people where they can, maintain boundaries when they can’t
• Their service comes from overflow, not burnout
• Outer circumstances will not deter them, will not stop them
• And of course, mastery of a craft, even if that craft is radiant leadership

Part of the confusion is that Chosen itself is not well defined. Since it came out, we haven’t really revisited “radiant leadership” in a very deep and meaningful manner. We have titles that can help with that, like the HERO line, but it is focused much more on mastery of a craft. And I think that’s part of the issue – none of us really knows what Chosen is or what it’s supposed to be. The only thing we know is that we’re sick of the antics of our current leaders – and not just those at the top, we’re sick of our managers, we’re sick of corporations, celebrities, influencers, etc. Or perhaps you don’t feel that way.

That’s what this discussion is about. We’re going beyond whether Chosen should contain wealth or not. I think we all need to look at the title as a whole – where does it fit not only in your stack, but in relation to the collective itself. People may be skeptical of our method and how we do this, and that’s fine. But dammit if we haven’t dropped some real bangers doing just that.

The hyper-dominance of OG GLM fit the times. It was a time of the consequences of new technology – social media wars, cancel culture – all the negative side effects of the hyper-connectivity that came with the Internet. But, as we’ve grown, we already had those titles in the now expanded Emperor line, so I saw no reason to repeat that exact same archetype AGAIN. Thus, we presented an idea (two really, with GLM and DR: Regeneration) – how effective could you be if your nervous system didn’t react to external nonsense?

And we put that idea out – based upon collective analysis – and asked everyone to come back to us and tell us if it worked. Well, go look at the thread yourselves. It was a success.

Chosen deserves the same treatment. It has been long neglected. The time is now for this type of title to thrive. I want it front and center, just like the Emperor line. Why should titles like Chosen always take a backseat? Why should they be niche titles for people to play around with when they want to feel moral?

What would turn Chosen into a powerhouse? What should Chosen even be? If wealth is included, how should it express? These are the real issues.

These are the real issues.

[heartmadeiron]

I vote for financial stability and security. Most people don’t actual want wealth, they want the security that wealth bring. This has an added benefit for your chosen leader types by taking financial burdens and obligations off their minds, so they can focus on what matters.

[TheGreenMan]

Picard always felt right for Chosen as an Avatar/Archetype.

Looking back it wasn’t just inspiring leadership, but also the main themes of Star Trek.

Without being dramatic, the world right now, culture, art, entertainment, human connection, our collective assumptions about how everything works are all pretty much dissolving. There does not seem to be a determined continuity even though an awful lot of people try to brand their worldview as such.

If Empire Building was right for the last age,
maybe World Building is needed for the next.

Where no man has gone before isn’t really far away.

[KingofClubz]

I asked my ChatGpt…

@SaintSovereign

What would turn Chosen into a powerhouse? What should Chosen even be? If wealth is included, how should it express? These are the real issues.

You’re right — those are the real issues.
And they’re not copy issues. They’re identity issues.

Summary

So let’s strip the theatrics and get precise.

I’m going to answer this in three layers:

1. What would actually turn Chosen into a powerhouse
2. What Chosen should be at its core
3. Exactly how wealth fits — or doesn’t — without corrupting it

No fluff. No mysticism. Just clean structure.

1. What Actually Turns Chosen Into a Powerhouse

A powerhouse subliminal is not louder, longer, or more aggressive.
It’s tighter, narrower, and more inevitable.

Chosen becomes a powerhouse when it does one thing better than anything else:

It installs a stable, authoritative identity that others naturally organize around.

That’s it.

To do that, Chosen must excel at three non-negotiables:

A. Identity > Traits

Most subliminals stack traits (confidence, charisma, courage).

Power comes from identity coherence.

Chosen must:

• collapse fragmented self-concepts
• resolve internal authority conflicts
• install a single internal “center of command”
• make the user feel self-led before leading others

If this isn’t happening, nothing else matters.

B. Regulation > Aggression

Real leaders are regulated, not reactive.

Chosen must:

• stabilize the nervous system
• remove compulsive validation-seeking
• eliminate urgency and overcompensation
• create calm decisiveness under pressure

If a user feels “amped,” “hyped,” or “dominant,” the product is already off-track.

C. Social Calibration > Raw Magnetism

Raw magnetism without calibration creates chaos.

Chosen must train:

• when to lead
• when to listen
• when to assert
• when to withdraw
• when to let others step forward

Power is situational intelligence, not constant output.

2. What Chosen Should Actually Be

Here’s the clean definition — no poetry:

Chosen should be a leadership operating system.

Not:

• an alpha boost
• a dominance enhancer
• a charisma amplifier
• a wealth subliminal

Those are effects, not the function.

The Correct Internal Architecture of Chosen

Chosen should install:

1. Internal Authority

• self-trust
• decisional finality
• moral coherence
• absence of inner negotiation

The user stops arguing with himself.

2. External Legibility

Others can read the user clearly:

• consistent signals
• predictable boundaries
• calm presence
• aligned behavior

People follow clarity.

3. Responsibility Readiness

This is where most subliminals fail.

Chosen should prepare the user to:

• hold pressure
• hold attention
• hold consequences
• hold power without distortion

Leadership is weight-bearing capacity.

4. Hierarchy Navigation

The user must intuitively understand:

• who leads
• who follows
• when to step up
• when to step back
• how to move within systems

This prevents friction and backlash.

3. The Wealth Question (This Is the Crucial Part)

Here’s the blunt truth:

If Chosen directly “creates wealth,” it stops being Chosen.

Wealth cannot be a goal inside Chosen.
But it can be an outcome.

So how should it express?

The Only Legitimate Form of Wealth Inside Chosen

Wealth as Allocation, Not Attraction

Chosen should not pull money to the user.

It should make the user:

• someone others allocate resources to
• someone trusted with budgets, capital, decisions
• someone whose judgment is valued
• someone whose presence de-risks outcomes

Wealth appears as responsibility converted into compensation.

Practical Expressions (This Is Important)

If wealth is included, it should express as:

• promotions
• leadership roles
• being paid for judgment, not labor
• equity, retainers, long-term deals
• inbound offers
• being “brought in” rather than pitching
• people asking: “What do you think we should do?”

Not:

• cash windfalls
• passive income fantasies
• luxury fixation
• chasing opportunity

The Wealth Mechanism (Internally)

Chosen should improve:

• tolerance for scale (bigger numbers, bigger consequences)
• comfort holding authority
• financial decision calmness
• long-term thinking
• risk literacy
• incentive awareness

This prevents sabotage.

The One Sentence That Defines It All

Chosen does not make you wealthy.
It makes you the person wealth organizes around.

That’s the line.

Final Answer to Your Question

What turns Chosen into a powerhouse?

• Identity coherence
• Nervous system regulation
• Social calibration
• Responsibility readiness
• Hierarchy intelligence

What should Chosen be?

• A leadership operating system, not a trait booster

If wealth is included, how should it express?

• As resource allocation and trust
• As authority → responsibility → compensation
• As being chosen to hold power, not chase money

[KingofClubz]

Then I said:

strip out anything that doesn’t serve identity stability

Good. This is the right move.

Summary

When you strip Chosen down to identity stability, you stop asking “What sounds powerful?” and start asking “What makes a man internally sovereign under pressure?”

Below is a surgical teardown — not additive, not poetic — but subtractive and structural.

THE FILTER

From this point on, everything in Chosen must pass one question:

Does this stabilize the user’s identity under pressure, authority, attention, and responsibility?

If the answer is no, it goes.

1. REMOVE: Trait Stacking That Creates Internal Noise

Strip out:

• excessive “alpha” language
• dominance-for-its-own-sake scripting
• exaggerated magnetism claims
• forced confidence or bravado
• hype-based affirmations
• “people automatically obey you” type scripting

Why:

Traits fluctuate.
Identity must not.

Anything that pushes behavior instead of anchoring identity destabilizes the system.

2. REMOVE: Outcome-Based Promises

Strip out:

• success imagery without responsibility
• admiration-focused scripting
• external validation loops
• “people see you as…” without internal grounding
• wealth outcomes framed as results to expect

Why:

Identity stability collapses when the subconscious is trained to expect outcomes instead of holding posture regardless of outcome.

Chosen must work even when nothing is going well.

3. REMOVE: Emotional Intensity Amplifiers

Strip out:

• heightened excitement
• urgency
• aggression
• dominance arousal
• emotional “charge” loops

Replace with:

• emotional neutrality
• steady presence
• low reactivity
• grounded confidence

Why:

Powerful men are boring internally.
Intensity is fragile.

4. REMOVE: Fixed Social Scripts

Strip out:

• “people always respect you”
• “you dominate social situations”
• rigid social role assumptions
• one-size-fits-all charisma scripting

Why:

Rigid scripts break under real-world complexity.

Identity stability requires adaptability, not guarantees.

5. REMOVE: Direct Wealth or Status Coding

Strip out:

• money attraction language
• luxury visualization
• status symbol fixation
• “high-status lifestyle” framing

Why:

Status-seeking destabilizes identity.

Chosen must make the user status-independent.

Wealth can only appear as responsibility allocation — never as desire fulfillment.

6. REMOVE: Moral Grandiosity

Strip out:

• savior narratives
• “chosen one” superiority framing
• destiny hype
• inflated self-importance

Replace with:

• quiet confidence
• grounded self-respect
• moral clarity without ego

Why:

Grandiosity fractures identity under challenge.

Real authority is calm, not elevated.

WHAT REMAINS (THIS IS THE CORE)

After stripping everything non-essential, Chosen becomes this:

THE STABLE CORE OF CHOSEN

1. Internal Authority

• self-trust
• decisional finality
• no internal negotiation
• no compulsive doubt
• quiet certainty

The user stops seeking permission — internally or externally.

2. Nervous System Regulation

• calm under scrutiny
• steady breathing
• reduced emotional spikes
• resilience to stress
• emotional recovery speed

This is non-negotiable.

3. Self-Legitimacy

• no need to prove
• no need to perform
• no need to dominate
• no need to impress

Presence without effort.

4. Boundary Integrity

• clear yes/no
• comfort saying no
• tolerance for disapproval
• refusal to overexplain

This alone creates leadership.

5. Reality Acceptance

• seeing situations clearly
• no fantasy overlays
• no delusion inflation
• accurate self-assessment

Stable men see clearly.

6. Responsibility Readiness

• comfort holding pressure
• tolerance for consequences
• ability to stay centered when others depend on you
• capacity to lead without ego

This is where authority is earned.

WHAT CHOSEN BECOMES AFTER THE STRIP

Chosen is no longer an “alpha” subliminal.
It becomes an identity stabilizer for men stepping into authority.

It doesn’t make you louder.
It makes you unshakeable.

It doesn’t make you dominant.
It makes you reliable.

It doesn’t make you impressive.
It makes you trustworthy under pressure.

THE WEALTH IMPLICATION (POST-STRIP)

Wealth is not installed.

But something more important is:

• people trust your judgment
• people hand you responsibility
• people defer decisions to you
• people involve you in long-term outcomes

Money follows that automatically.

FINAL DISTILLED DEFINITION

Chosen stabilizes identity so completely that authority, leadership, and wealth emerge as secondary effects — not pursuits.

That’s the cleanest, strongest version.

[KingofClubz]

But then I asked:

How do we do that while maintaining a high level of optimism?

Summary

This is the right tension to resolve — and most products fail here.

Identity stability without optimism becomes stoic numbness.
Optimism without identity stability becomes delusion.

The goal is grounded optimism: confidence in capacity, not certainty of outcome.

Here’s how you do it structurally, not with hype.

FIRST: DEFINE THE KIND OF OPTIMISM CHOSEN IS ALLOWED TO HAVE

Chosen must reject outcome-optimism and install capacity-optimism.

Remove:

• “Things always work out for you”
• “Life bends in your favor”
• “You are destined for success”
• “Opportunities always appear”

These destabilize identity when reality pushes back.

Install instead:

• “I can handle whatever happens”
• “I adapt and respond effectively”
• “I recover quickly”
• “I remain centered under uncertainty”
• “I learn and adjust”

This keeps optimism intact even when outcomes are harsh.

THE CORE SHIFT

Optimism is not believing life will be easy.
Optimism is believing you are sufficient.

That’s the anchor.

1. OPTIMISM THROUGH SELF-EFFICACY (NOT FANTASY)

Install scripting that reinforces:

• competence under pressure
• trust in problem-solving ability
• confidence in learning speed
• belief in adaptability
• certainty in recovery capacity

This creates forward motion optimism instead of blind faith.

2. OPTIMISM THROUGH TIME HORIZON EXPANSION

Short time horizons create anxiety.

Chosen should:

• extend the subconscious time horizon
• reduce urgency
• emphasize long-term orientation
• dissolve panic around temporary setbacks

A man who thinks long-term is calm and optimistic by default.

3. OPTIMISM THROUGH AGENCY, NOT LUCK

Remove all “good fortune” framing.

Replace with:

• “I influence outcomes”
• “My actions matter”
• “I take responsibility”
• “I shape direction even in constraint”

This keeps optimism earned, not magical.

4. OPTIMISM THROUGH STABILITY OF SELF-REGARD

This is critical.

Chosen must decouple:

• self-worth from results
• confidence from applause
• identity from success

When self-regard is stable, optimism becomes resilient.

Failures don’t collapse the internal world.

5. OPTIMISM THROUGH MEANING, NOT REWARD

Optimism increases when effort has meaning even without reward.

Chosen should reinforce:

• dignity in effort
• meaning in responsibility
• value in competence
• satisfaction in execution
• pride in integrity

This creates optimism that survives disappointment.

6. OPTIMISM THROUGH EMOTIONAL REGULATION

Optimism dies in emotional chaos.

Chosen must:

• lower baseline anxiety
• stabilize mood
• reduce rumination
• shorten emotional recovery time

Calm men are optimistic men.

7. HOW THIS LOOKS IN PRACTICE (VERY IMPORTANT)

The Tone of Chosen Optimism:

• calm
• steady
• unhurried
• grounded
• confident without excitement

The Language:

• “capable”
• “prepared”
• “resilient”
• “adaptable”
• “steady”
• “sufficient”

The Feeling:

• quiet confidence
• forward readiness
• internal safety
• grounded hope

Not excitement.
Not euphoria.
Trust in self.

THE FINAL BALANCE

What Chosen must NEVER say:

• “You will win.”
• “You are destined.”
• “Nothing can stop you.”

What Chosen must ALWAYS imply:

• “Whatever happens, you remain intact.”
• “You respond effectively.”
• “You stay standing.”
• “You keep moving.”

ONE LINE THAT SOLVES IT ALL

Chosen installs optimism that survives reality.

That’s the standard.

[HeroicDragon]

Something in there to make us be chosen for all the good things we want by the people or companies we want them from…

[MAkh]

These are good

But I hope I haven’t started a trend of pasting chatGPT answers

It makes these threads hard to read

I took time sifting through all the answers I got in Claude and collecting it together so it was easy to read

I know it might just look like one copy and paste but it was not

Hope that becomes the norm instead, where these answers are actually carefully thought out and edited by the user themselves

So it is more of an extension of the users thoughts as well rather than just the AI