EXPERIMENTAL Microloop / ZPU Listening Instructions

[Tomcat]

No 5mins loops? Why?

[BlissAdventurer]

@Ravenscout

I don’t think this has been asked yet, but once you have completed your 30 day active listening cycle, then a 5 day washout, do you then start your next cycle back at 30 seconds and work your way back up to 15 minutes even though you are on the same stack as your previous cycle?

I asked it here, waiting for @SaintSovereign to confirm. He is busy with Wanted launch, we all waiting for Wanted lol

@BlissAdventurer

• If we have 3 titles + Aacension Chamber stack. Do we listen to the 3rd boosting title + Ascension Chamber once a week like old 21-day cycle?
• Let say on day 59, we listen to 3 minutes without recon. After 5 rest days, on day 67, do we listen to 3 minutes or reset to 30 seconds and increase again in new 30-listening-day cycle?

[BlissAdventurer]

@Adi

Consistent repetitions over a fair enough timeframe, like say 2-3 months and then a proper washout seems to be the way to go, by that time you have integrated a big portion of the scripting within your subconscious and laid a certain base and foundation with it that can run on its own, you can still run the loops to grow that structure even more but now you have come to a point where at least some structure has been integrated and manifested within your own mind.

I like the new listening instructions, it is so much easier to create & plan in google calendar. After creating a new listening plan, I see that I can stick to selected title much easier. There is no time & space to second guess or sub hopping.

Love to see results from Khan st3 + Khan st4 with new listening instructions

[Adi]

I was about to take a washout according to old schedule. Then I realised I was 2 weeks with Alchemist and only 3 loops… usually at around two weeks the old kind of seems to pop-up again which exactly happened today with Alchemist. Instead I should continue listening so that in my washout I don’t have some terrible recon manifested as a brawl between old and new (lack of integration). I only want to do the washout once I have integrated the program. With this new schedule I estimate with the amount of elapsed time this should be possible. Deeper integration will come with the continuing cycles.

This is how I keep track now

I already set the entry for 2th september too, so I have about 20 listening days to go. Some of them I might listen both programs others I will alternate them.

Everything runs in cycles and our subconscious is linked to the moon cycles. In yoga if they initiate you in some practice you are supposed to practice it everyday for one mandala, or one cycle which for some reason is 48 days.

• This is based on the idea that the human body takes about 40 days to go through one physiological cycle of adjustment.

• If you can maintain a certain practice with stability for that long, it can become a part of your system more deeply.

ChatGPT scrambled it together for me.

Here’s the deeper reasoning behind 48 days = 1 mandala in yogic science, as explained by the classical yoga texts:

1. Lunar Cycle Connection
   • The moon goes through one full cycle (new moon to new moon) in about 28 days.
   • The yogic system observes that the human body is strongly influenced by these lunar cycles.
   • Two lunar cycles (≈ 56 days) form a natural period of transformation.
   • Within this, 48 days is seen as the most effective span for consciously reshaping habits and energies.

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2. Physiological Reset
   • Modern science shows that many biological processes, including cell turnover, hormonal cycles, and metabolic adjustments, often follow ~40-day rhythms.
   • Yogis observed that if you maintain a practice without a break for 48 days, it penetrates deeper than just your mind — it starts reprogramming your body and energy system.

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3. Why Not Just 40 Days?
   • 40 days is the minimum cycle (you’ll find this in different traditions too — e.g., fasting or spiritual retreats often last 40 days).
   • 48 days is considered a safer, fuller mandala because it covers not just the physical but also the energetic assimilation, making the practice “yours” at a subtler level.

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4. Deeper Cycles (Multiples of Mandalas)
   • 1 Mandala = ~48 days
   • 1.5 Mandalas = ~72 days
   • 3 Mandalas = ~144 days
   • The longer the cycle, the more permanent the imprint of the practice.

[Chase]

@SaintSovereign

you can play with the listening times as long as you are lowering exposure. You can also add more steps between 7m and 15m (like adding 9m, 11m, etc.)

We just have a hard enough time convincing people to test the microloop strategy in the first place. We knew that asking everyone to go from 7m to 9m to 11m, etc. would simply test everyone’s patience.

It’s a guideline. We can do 5/9/11 mins as we feel like.

[GoldenTiger]

@SaintSovereign

Unless you are willing to commit to that strategy, please doing what you already are. @gdbdboy, you can play with the listening times as long as you are lowering exposure. You can also add more steps between 7m and 15m (like adding 9m, 11m, etc.)

We just have a hard enough time convincing people to test the microloop strategy in the first place. We knew that asking everyone to go from 7m to 9m to 11m, etc. would simply test everyone’s patience. Since most can already handle 15m (with recon), we figured that the person who could work from 30s to 7m would be able to handle the full loop.

So these steps are only made to have a progressive yet steep ramp up to being able to run full loop? Or is there more to it regarding maybe the build or the structure of the script?

[oloy]

Same question. @SaintSovereign

[NinjaFox]

WHEN WILL THE QTKS BE UPGRADED WITH ZPU TECHNOLOGY?
@SaintSovereign

[SoulFire]

ZPU is not out yet

[NinjaFox]

yes I know was wondering what the eta on it for the qtks build. It in the newer sub like aeon, hero and glm so it kinda being tested publicly

[Lion]

@NinjaFox

in the newer sub like aeon, hero and glm so it kinda being tested publicly

The new titles are not ZPU. They are ZPU Lite:

@SaintSovereign

@SubliminalUser

Wait, we have ZPU titles now? Or is New Wanted going to be the first one?

We have ZPU-lite titles. All of the recent releases are ZPU-lite. GLM, HERO, AEON, etc. I’ll compile an exact list later.

@NinjaFox

WHEN WILL THE QTKS BE UPGRADED WITH ZPU TECHNOLOGY?

ZPU build is a long time away. Maybe after a year. And most probably after all the remaining titles are updated witb the New Subliminal Experience along with rewriting the script from scratch too.

In short, ZPU will take a long time to reach in the main store, customs and QTKS.

[Viktor]

I’ve been thinking about this schedule.

Is overload from having the cycle too long actually just a form of recon?

So the fix is to just shorten the loop when the overload starts to hit around that time.

So, if i can run 15m from day 1 - 17 with no problem, but then struggle with overload after, I could have just shorten the loop until the overload is gone.

[Prioritas]

@SaintSovereign

This pattern of increasing exposure over time should follow this pattern: 30s, 1m, 3m, 7m, 15m (full loop).

Is this also advisable for customs?

[SaintSovereign]

@ryder004

Will all the current existing titles go ZPU with anti recon tech or just the new releases?

Like DRR and stuff.

EDIT: Also, is the anti recon module the same thing as the anti recon in the newer titles you mention that already have it?

I’ll have to get the exact list of when anti-recon started. It was around Emperor: The Art of War. That may have been the first. Everything after that has it.

@Viktor

Honestly, I’m very hesitant to give this a go, as I can start to feel the weight even with only 17 active days (9 listening days with 1 rest day in between). It’s not quite recon, but more of a subtle feeling of a weighing overload that messes with my performance & progressively gets more unbearable the closer I get to day 21. That only goes away after a washout.

Remember everyone. This ONLY WORKS – it ONLY WORKS if you are using the progressive microloop strategy. That means, even if you can handle more exposure now, you need to start over and work through the strategy. This is not meant to be used with or “alongside” the current instructions. That’s why there’s less washout time, as you’re going to be spending more time at shorter listening time. By the time you can reach full loops, you will have worked through so many issues that the longer times do not affect you as it would now.

@Viktor

I’m guessing they are placed around where the scripting usually takes the depth up a notch.
Or it could be decided mostly from observation instead of placement of the scripting.

@SaintSovereign

Attempting to “guess” where they are and jump ahead is not advisable, as the titles are MADE with the micro-loop technology in mind. Jumping ahead may actually impede results, as each title is designed for the user to progressively work through, which we guarantee will help you generate incredible growth in your life.

Also, you can add a 5m if you’d like – we mention that later in the instructions. The idea here is that the jump from 3m to 7m would trigger less recon if the individual has worked their way up to 3m or so legitimately. If, through testing, that proves untrue, we’ll add the 5m back to the official recommendations.

@anon15812918

@SaintSovereign since you said that to use the sub for 30 active listening days you need to use microloops, does it mean that once you built up to full loop, you need to go back to original 26 day cycles?

And if that’s the case, how to go about having multiple subs in the stack? Like, for one sub you do 15 min, for another you are at 7, for example.

No, you would continue with this new schedule. Theoretically, if you have managed to reach a recon-less 15m loop, it would not bother you to use this schedule. But again, you must work your way up following the strategy. That means going back down when you experience recon. You can, of course, continue to use it at your “sweet spot” for as long as you want.

As for multiple subs – the easiest way to handle this is to only progress with longer listening times once you’re not experiencing strong recon from the entire stack. It may be difficult to see which title is causing recon, so it’s best to continue the entire stack as “one single subliminal” in that they all interconnect, work together and operate as one – by design. So keep everything at the same exposure length until recon isn’t triggered as much (or not at all).

@HyperMan

@SaintSovereign can I ask you why you and others keep ignoring my questions lately?

It was not intentional. We answer a lot of questions and there are multiple users with this “anon + numbers” username. If all of you post in a thread, it becomes confusing and we may accidentally overlook someone.

@HyperMan

In a 3 titles stack, does the same 1 title on a certain day (day 1) and 2 titles the following listening day (day 3) still applies or do we need to listen to 1 title max every listening day?

Under the progressive microloop strategy, you would listen to all three titles at the appropriate length in the same day. If that’s 30s, you’d listen to all three at 30s. Following day would be a rest day, where you would analyze your inner state, looking for recon. If there is none, you can attempt a higher rate of exposure the next day.

@ryder004

Also if I’m reading into this correctly, it does seem like micro loops are indeed meant to eventually get you to listen to the full 15m without recon.

rofl, exactly. Like, literally this. There is no secret formula or hidden method. It is literally just to use the format of the subliminal audio in the most effective manner. The goal is literally to help you get to full 15 minute loops without disruption. That’s it. There’s no need to overthink it. It provides a framework – a system for you to work through and analyze results against.

Again, you can always modify the listening times a bit. By this, we mean that if you can reach 3m consistently with no recon, but you don’t want to do 7m, you can always do 3m 30s or 4m 30s to test your response. 4m 22s – doesn’t matter. Now, please don’t abuse them and “jump ahead” claiming it was a test unless you are an advanced user who will accept any triggered recon as overexposure.

@ksub

I guess people who love to rush through stages or quickly jump from one sub to the other aren’t going to love these new guidelines.

@Malkuth

You mean because a basic play-period/play-term is now about 60 days?

@Joa23

Me Im happy about the guidelines, I was thinking the other today, why do I have to stop at day 21, I want to go longer.

I mean, we pretty much always recommended long-term use, or at least a few cycles. We offer a 30-day refund policy based on the premise that we are confident that individuals would see results within that time period, but we never claimed that you would master the title within that time period.

Long-term use is phenomenal, especially if you’re taking incredible action. I ran pretty much every cognitive enhancement title available here. When people ask how we’re able to do what we do, what the “secret” is… the answer is simple: we ran our own products long-term while taking action (the company). And people tend to not believe us when we say that we don’t have “secret versions” of the titles that are better. We run the production version, the same versions you run. In fact, my GLM + Earth run isn’t even name-embedded.

So yeah – long-term use without sub hopping can lead to great results, especially if your stack is very aligned with what it is you’re doing.

@Adi

One question though, if one has two programs in the stack does he split them in different days or combine them on the listening day?

See above response regarding this.

@Adi

Yes I totally agree on this. More repetitions for a longer cycle is far more beneficial to progression than doing big sense powerful loops with washouts in between. The latter only causes major bouts of mental tension and overexposure for me.

Exactly. And I think the reason you were thinking of an approach like this is because we were also considering users like yourself when designing the system. I suspect that much of what people experience as recon could be overexposure, and so we designed the system around customer choice. Looks like we came to similar conclusions.

@Adi

Consistent repetitions over a fair enough timeframe, like say 2-3 months and then a proper washout seems to be the way to go, by that time you have integrated a big portion of the scripting within your subconscious and laid a certain base and foundation with it that can run on its own, you can still run the loops to grow that structure even more but now you have come to a point where at least some structure has been integrated and manifested within your own mind.

If you do one big loop and take 5 says off your conscious and unconscious minds instantly start to reconcile what the hell is going on, because the subconscious has literally zero structure to fall back on, unless you ran that program for a considerate amount of time in the past.

Yes. You’ve got the idea.

@Tomcat

No 5mins loops? Why?

See above. You can add it back if you like.

@BlissAdventurer

I like the new listening instructions, it is so much easier to create & plan in google calendar. After creating a new listening plan, I see that I can stick to selected title much easier. Now time to second guess or sub hopping.

Exactly.

@GoldenTiger

So these steps are only made to have a progressive yet steep ramp up to being able to run full loop? Or is there more to it regarding maybe the build or the structure of the script?

Do not overthink it, please. Please, everyone – lol don’t overthink it. There is another article coming explaining how microloops work, where we explain why you don’t need to jump ahead to get “the full script.” At the risk of causing more confusion, I will say that @emperor_obewan was the closest to get it right, stating that he believed the script was written in a fractal manner (or something of the sort).

There are four sections of the title, but the script itself is written in a recursive manner, meaning each part contains the whole. Every section covers the same topics and themes, but with different expressions. By “skipping ahead,” you’re actually harming your results, because there will be content that hasn’t been properly integrated and expressed, and you’ll slow yourself down. This is not a situation where a person needs to think “I can handle this,” and then overexpose. The advanced user – those who truly want to master a title – will work through the script with unwavering focus and skill, building a strong foundation that they can then later build upon with the later script.

@NinjaFox

yes I know was wondering what the eta on it for the qtks build. It in the newer sub like aeon, hero and glm so it kinda being tested publicly

You can order one of those now. The ZPU-lite scripting are inherent to the cores and the Q-software has long been configured to produce a ZPU-lite title. All of them are.

@Prioritas

Is this also advisable for customs?

Yes, you can use this strategy with customs.

[Jade8]

@SaintSovereign

Under the progressive microloop strategy, you would listen to all three titles at the appropriate length in the same day. If that’s 30s, you’d listen to all three at 30s. Following day would be a rest day, where you would analyze your inner state, looking for recon. If there is none, you can attempt a higher rate of exposure the next day.

@SaintSovereign, just want to confirm that 3 titles in one day is recommended with microloop strategy? So, when one gets up to the full 15 minutes loop, that is 45 minutes every other day. That would seem a lot to process.

Also with the 30 listening days as 1 full cycle, is this the new recommendation for length of cycle? Will you still recommend users to 3 cycles on a sub to get full benefits?

[Joa23]

@SaintSovereign

I mean, we pretty much always recommended long-term use, or at least a few cycles. We offer a 30-day refund policy based on the premise that we are confident that individuals would see results within that time period, but we never claimed that you would master the title within that time period.

I see your point and I agree. I meant something else, but maybe I didnt express it well enough.
I was saying why couldnt the cycle itself be longer.

[SaintSovereign]

@Jade8

@SaintSovereign, just want to confirm that 3 titles in one day is recommended with microloop strategy? So, when one gets up to the full 15 minutes loop, that is 45 minutes every other day. That would seem a lot to process.

Once you’ve made it to consistent 15 minute loops, you have already worked through the entire script and at that point, processing should be easy.

[Xelas]

@SaintSovereign

Under the progressive microloop strategy, you would listen to all three titles at the appropriate length in the same day. If that’s 30s, you’d listen to all three at 30s.

If I’ve built up to 15 minutes with one title in my first cycle, and in the second cycle I want to add one or two more titles starting at 30 seconds, should I also go back to 30 seconds with the first title, or can I keep that one at 15 minutes?

[Viktor]

@SaintSovereign

Once you’ve made it to consistent 15 minute loops, you have already worked through the entire script and at that point, processing should be easy.

Is 30m if you only have 1 sub in your stack still valid with this schedule?

Edit: Also, what’s your thought about long washouts (a few weeks to months long)? Is it still relevant?

[SaintSovereign]

@Viktor

Is 30m if you only have 1 sub in your stack still valid with this schedule?

No, it would still only be 15 minutes for now. We may update this in the future. More information is needed.

@Viktor

Edit: Also, what’s your thought about long washouts (a few weeks to months long)? Is it still relevant?

If you work through the strategy with focus, there will be no need for long washouts, but they will still be immensely helpful in terms of integration and taking a pause to see if that title – or any title is necessary.