95% is widely different than “everyone”.
I’m sure someone would vote Qv2 to be contrarian but deep down they’d know ZP is better 
Do not be too harsh on us 
Food is definitely key, it’s why I don’t train as much right now. Back then I was still living with my Mom so that part was covered, we don’t eat organic or anything but the diet I had was perfect for putting on weight and recovering. Now that I’m living alone I just eat well enough to not collapse, so training has taken a back seat. After I move back in though, best believe I’m going to go back to sculpting my body like a greek artist.
Eating consistently is like 80% of the battle of building a great physique for both men and women.
Lifting is such a small piece to the puzzle. Granted it must be done.
I was on more test than I could handle at the time so it wasn’t a problem. As I said I was trying to got to the olympics so I wasn’t shy with my drug use, I spent more time then I should have researching which compounds would do what to my body and how they’d further my speed development.
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This thread is about QV2 and ZP. Not food or hormones. Start a new thread
This thread was derailed like 45 messages ago
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Exactly. Stop
Facts, can we change the title of the thread instead?
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“Random Conversations between SubClub Gangsters” is a more appropriate thread title.
No. Start a new thread. This isn’t your thread lol
fine
The really interesting point that this “debate” left, is:
Why a ZP stronger version isn’t released?
(For example, Wanted ZP)
In my opinion, potentially getting a heavy recon is not a strong justification.
After all, with Q you had Terminus versions where you were warned against overexposure.
The only reason I can think of is to mitigate disaster. When Mind Eye Q Terminus Squared was released, Saint told us to only run one loop. Within a few hours people where stating that it was there 6th loops some even used it with the set and forget method and they all faced HARSH recon, though they were warned. Even now with ZP, with the stack limit clearly set to 3 subs some users are running 4 and complaining on the forum when they get massive recon. I’m assuming that the thing stopping them at this point is setting up a trusted member system and protecting their legal rights and the image of SubClub as a company.
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I got a creative solution for this
You distribute the ZP scripting intermittently inside a file that lasts an hour or two.
Well, maybe it is not very technical but you get the general idea…
After all we are talking about recon or stonewalling not about death by poisoning.
Yes, the files are longer but powerful, and people are delightful with powerful results.
Because it simply is not about strength.
Just like putting a trained martial artist and a bodybuilder into a boxing ring will in 90% cases result in the martial artist winning, despite the bodybuilder benching 500 pounds - it’s about optimization, technique, knowledge, finesse and of course, some strength (but not purely).
We’ve done the tests, run the experiments and looked over the numbers - ZP is the current tech for a reason. It’s time to get on with the times.
It’s an usual occurrence sadly. We make a better, much more optimized and shorter version - “no, give me the old one” or “oh, means I can run 20 loops”. Repeat every time we release a new technology.
Find the value in patience, don’t be obsessed with blasting your subconscious in pursuit of more and more, and it will reward you a thousandfold.
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Fire has spoken. 
dude he is just a guy, you know that right…
People don’t seem to accept the answers the community gives until Saint or Fire confirm it.
Authority bias. Now this conversation is concluded.
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