This thread was derailed like 45 messages ago 
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Exactly. Stop
Facts, can we change the title of the thread instead?
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“Random Conversations between SubClub Gangsters” is a more appropriate thread title.
No. Start a new thread. This isn’t your thread lol
fine
The really interesting point that this “debate” left, is:
Why a ZP stronger version isn’t released?
(For example, Wanted ZP)
In my opinion, potentially getting a heavy recon is not a strong justification.
After all, with Q you had Terminus versions where you were warned against overexposure.
The only reason I can think of is to mitigate disaster. When Mind Eye Q Terminus Squared was released, Saint told us to only run one loop. Within a few hours people where stating that it was there 6th loops some even used it with the set and forget method and they all faced HARSH recon, though they were warned. Even now with ZP, with the stack limit clearly set to 3 subs some users are running 4 and complaining on the forum when they get massive recon. I’m assuming that the thing stopping them at this point is setting up a trusted member system and protecting their legal rights and the image of SubClub as a company.
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I got a creative solution for this
You distribute the ZP scripting intermittently inside a file that lasts an hour or two.
Well, maybe it is not very technical but you get the general idea…
After all we are talking about recon or stonewalling not about death by poisoning.
Yes, the files are longer but powerful, and people are delightful with powerful results.
Because it simply is not about strength.
Just like putting a trained martial artist and a bodybuilder into a boxing ring will in 90% cases result in the martial artist winning, despite the bodybuilder benching 500 pounds - it’s about optimization, technique, knowledge, finesse and of course, some strength (but not purely).
We’ve done the tests, run the experiments and looked over the numbers - ZP is the current tech for a reason. It’s time to get on with the times.
It’s an usual occurrence sadly. We make a better, much more optimized and shorter version - “no, give me the old one” or “oh, means I can run 20 loops”. Repeat every time we release a new technology.
Find the value in patience, don’t be obsessed with blasting your subconscious in pursuit of more and more, and it will reward you a thousandfold.
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Fire has spoken. 
dude he is just a guy, you know that right…
People don’t seem to accept the answers the community gives until Saint or Fire confirm it.
Authority bias. Now this conversation is concluded.
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They get due respect cause they are the sub creators…
But people can disagree…
After all, what kind of feedback would they get if users treat them like omnipotent gods?
There is always a subset of individuals who prefer older products rather than the new updated versions. Regardless if objectively the newer product is better by every measurable metric.
It’s why people prefer vintage cars rather than new cars.
Also, Saint and Fire are certainly not Gods. I doubt they are treated as such. My comment was basically saying “yay this conversation is done” by saying Fire has spoken lol.
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More power would have killed me. As a grown-ass man in a professional setting, nearly crying in public multiple times was certainly something to adjust to. Haha.
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This is a risk the user has to decide to take or not.
We are not kids.
We pay for a product and like every product you can misuse it.
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Maybe a dumb question in regards to the power debate. Isn’t the issue of more power solved by the Q store and the terminus and T^2 build options for more advanced users looking for more power? Isn’t that what T and T^2 offer?
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If that were the case…
Then the problem is not Recon but a price issue.
Well, i’d pay more for a Wanted ZP stronger version.
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I’d prefer a DFY product rather than building it yourself.
I built my customs out of necessity rather than desire. I think SubClub needs more narrow focused products that people can work through plus their flagships like Emperor, Stark, Khan, etc but they need to be stronger.
Not many people use customs compared to stock subs. So the issue isn’t solved by the custom store.
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