Are micro loops enough?

Hey guys. Quick question. After months of experimenting with different loop times, I’ve learned that my subconscious doesn’t tolerate more that 90 seconds of each sub at a time?

I’ve read that 3 minutes is the bare minimum dose to get the full scripting. My question is 2 fold:
A. Is 90 seconds enough?
B. Should I start at the next 90 second interval the next listening day to get the full scripting amount?

If 90 sec is all you can take, then yes that is enough for you. Until you’re able to go for more. It’s like body building. If you can only lift 50 pounds, then that’s enough for you until you can lift more. Don’t try to lift a heavier load and hurt yourself. Don’t try to go for more than 90 seconds and just get overwhelmed and sabotage your results.

No! Don’t do that. Start from zero every single time until you capable of getting past 90 sec.

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I’ve already completely demolished my nervous system by doing full loops and I am just super frustrated with everything. I wake-up every day with an utterly fried brain and nervous system whether I use the programs or not its just a lasting impact that seems to not go away.

Now I am only listening 1 minute and realise even that is completely overwhelming as I wake-up with my entire tongue and mouth shrivelled up and dried out from processing. I usually drink two entire litres of water in the night alone and have two whole drinking bottles next to me before sleep.

I really don’t consider this normal.

So on the one hand I’m like 1 minute, really? Are you kidding me?

But then you just realise even 1 minute is an atomic bomb. So idk anymore. No wonder I get confused my brain literally cannot take it. So in the end probably I can use like 10 seconds but if I accidentally overplay it or accidentally play the file I can feel in recon for weeks so I think it is quite risky and doesnt make much sense to me.

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I remember here was a guy who could only tolerate like 10 or 15 seconds and had good results

Yeah then just comes into question two things; you will never get the full script of the program and always have to run partials. Second you cannot stack anything because you will have to do more.

It just sucks and I feel like the people who are struggling with this are not being heard. I just keep struggling trying different methods and schedules and end up in the same situation with my nervous health degrading and losing myself in recon as I make a mistake to increase the exposure which can last for days, weeks, if not months… I don’t think anybody knows actually.

Why do you need the full script? You wouldn’t be able to handle it anyway. Your current threshold is exactly what you need right now. Keep running 1 minute until you’re able to to do more.

I remember running the old versions of the subs for 6 to 8 hours a day when 1 hour was the recommendation. I ended up being only completely tired, overwhelmed with little results. Then I took a couple of months off to reset and followed the rules. Guess what? I got results.

The full 15 minute script would do nothing for you right now. You’re exactly where you should be.

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The concept of micro-looping is all about creating a more comfortable environment for listening, where you can absorb and integrate information without feeling overwhelmed or strained. In some cases, factors like volume intensity or the pace of information can make the experience uncomfortable.

So, is listening to micro-loops beneficial? Absolutely—yes. However, we often have a tendency to rush the process, desiring quick results. This impatience can create resistance, making it harder for us to fully experience the benefits. We all have the power to either allow or block good things from coming our way. If we can embrace the process and remain open, what we want will manifest.

I’ve been there—feeling discomfort and even wanting to give up. But instead of quitting, I decided to shift my focus toward my true goals. Even though the discomfort was present, my growing interest in what I truly wanted made everything else seem insignificant. Gradually, I began to repeat the experiences that aligned with my desires, rather than focusing on what I didn’t like.

Whenever I felt discomfort, I would take a step back—sometimes a walk in the park was all I needed to reset. Other times, a set of push-ups or any physical activity that got me moving did the trick. I also made it a point to notice experiences outside my routine, like people smiling at me or a friendly exchange with a stranger. These small moments helped me shift my focus and notice the positive, even in discomfort.

It’s natural for unfamiliar experiences to trigger discomfort. But that discomfort often holds the key to new opportunities in life—opportunities that can only emerge when we’re willing to embrace the unknown.

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My biggest concern was by only running the first 90 seconds, I was missing vital components of the rest of the script

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For everyone who is concerned about missing script, read this

If you can’t handle full sub, you shouldn’t listen to full sub - listen as much as you comfortably can while getting good result. You will be able to handle more with time, if you choose to stick with it.

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That absolutely answers my question. Thank you

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So you are saying you started with microloops not being able to handle anything more than as you continued you could handle full loops? My thought process was I would never be able to handle full loops.

Maybe my nervous system just has a threshold of processing information or it processes different right? Also what @Carvermckay said, missing vital components of the script. Or in 30 seconds if your phone disrupts or your signal on the bluetooth disrupts or whatever what can happen to the outcome of the script.

Idk there is just many things for me. But I am trying hard to making it work.

Yesterday I did 1 minute, today can really feel it but still I woke up completely dried out mouth and brain fried (I don’t get rid of the feeling even during washout, even I stop feeling direct processing its more like deep parts of my mind are still processing or trying to make sense of something). Waking up was much easier though and now I quickly got through it and am jamming on some music whereas the last 10 days of washout was just a complete drag, it just never seemed to lift or alleviate. I feel like maybe by overexposing to full loops without being ready deep down in my subconscious something is now constantly putting pressure on me or dragging me down is that possible?

Oh wow this is very interesting as one more concern I had is if I never get the full script of a Stage 1 then how can I be fully prepared to move onto Stage 2 of a multi-stage program.

Maybe I missing some components that are important to prepare me for stage 2. This thinking makes sense at the surface of what we understand here.

Put the phoner on airplane mode when you’re listening. Maybe ditch the Bluetooth earphones. We do know yet if the wireless encoding is affecting the subliminal encoding of the track or not.

I purchased a $20 mp3 player and a good pair of wired Sony headphones. That MP3
player is solely dedicated to Subliminal Club. There is nothing else on there. When I listen to subs, I’m never worried that a call is going to come through and ruin my listening session.

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I think Saint recommended that if you finished stage 1 at 30s, you should do other stages at 30s

Also, he recommended to go through stages in order (listening to each stage for 1 cycle), then repeat and keep repeating until you have little to no recon on each.

So, if I were to listen to EoG with this advice, it’d go like this:

Cycle 1: EoG ST1 - 30s
Cycle 2: EoG ST2 - 30s
Cycle 3: EoG ST3 - 30s
Cycle 4: EoG ST4 - 30s

And then repeat. Maybe with increasing listening time, if you are able to handle it

Mhm, I was doing multiple cycles of stage 1 to get a proper foundation perhaps I should do it this way and then when doing the stages again move up the exposure.

All of this is just a little unrealistic to me probably I will want to move up exposure after a cycle no and then I’m in st2.

Imagine being a quiet observer at a gym.
You see the natural bodybuilders, the juiced up guys, all lifting heavy weights.
They’ve been there for years and years.
They know the movements, how their muscles should feel, how and when to increase the weight, when to add days for recovery, what to eat to get the best nutrition for working out as well as recovery, how to track their sleep, etc.

And then you notice the new guy. Some skinny fat couch potato who never worked out, and the heaviest lifting he did last year was pulling the couch closer to the TV because his sight got worse.
He knows nothing about working out, nutrition, sleep,… everything the guys mentioned before already mastered (to a degree).
He sees them doing some heavy Romanian deadlifts, bench presses, etc.
So he gets a barbell and loads it to the same degree. He tries to lift it for some time, but aborts after 15 minutes. He’s spent.
His glykogen reserves are depleted, he cracked his back and feels like he was hit by a truck.
He needs a week to recover and then tries the same thing again. With the same results.
Over and over again.

When you ask him why he doesn’t reduce the weight and starts with something he can actually lift, he answers “I want the full results, of using the complete weights I have access to due to my membership”.

That’s what using full loops looks like from the outside.

Just like this guy would have gotten the best results with way less weight, you will get much better results with using shorter loops (if you’re overwhelmed with your current length).

There’s nothing to proof with running more than you can handle. And overexposure is a danger always present. Just look at the bickering in here, by very experienced users, these last couple of days.

Start small and slowly increase. If three minutes is to much run 90 seconds. If that’s still to much go for 30 or even 10. And then slowly increase over time. For good results you’re SC subs are supposed to be run for a whole year, as Saint recently reconfirmed. So a long time to grow even from 10 seconds.

Also, sometimes running short loops is enough to solve a big issue that causes major recon. And suddenly you’re able to jump from 3 minutes to 10. Or from 5 to 15.
I’ve ran KB1 last year for three cycles. The first to I was slowly building up from 3 to 5 minutes for two cycles. Heavy recon, low results. Then I felt some block dissolving. The third cycle I’ve ran full loops with great results and next to no recon.

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This is something I’ve struggled with most definitely. The fear of missing out. That gym analogy is very enlightening. I found myself in the same predicament. Went back to lifting after a long long time and though, let me buy dumbbells that are super heavy so I can build muscles faster and save money so I don’t have to spend it on other dumbbells, boy was I wrong and I’m seeing the same flawed thinking when trying to run full 15 mins when I’m getting hit with recon left and right. This was a very enlightening post, I needed this as a good reminder as a general thing in life, to start slow and build up.

Thats another thing that I didn’t realize is that these subs need to be run for a year at least. I can tell you how many times I’ve been close to hitting the glass ceiling only to stop prematurely and the women who I attracted who were beautiful all of a sudden run away because of the incongruence I was showing, and the inconsistency in my character after dropping a stack before it has fully blossomed.

I think my next run I will start with 2-3 mins and increase a min every cycle till I reach 15 mins which should be a whole year by then.

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if I was running two different customs with Emperor and LBFH and decided that the customs were too dense and decided just to run the major programs of each, so Emperor and LBFH, the major programs, would this be considered stack switching? or would this be fine?

I’d say your fine.
It’s like reducing loop length.
You’re restricting the information you’re getting,
You get the major content anyways.

Only downside is that you miss out on name embedding which could make it harder to see results.

I love that more and more people are using the gym analogy because it really is a fantastic parallel to running subs