Which sub(s) work directly on the "Nice Guy" syndrome?

To add:

I see the effects of not addressing early parenting everyday with family. The walking wounded looking to others to solve their pain, looking to shiny trinkets to boost their egos, trying to be controlling, “perfect” or “right” in someone else’s mind. It’s sad to see.

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I would definitely say yes. However , I’m not using PCC yet. I have been reading @Michel’s journal, and he speaks very highly of it in using it for self protection

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PCC + Khan

PCC has extra scripting that links in with Khan, you would definitely succeed in corporate politics.

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Definitely the combination of Khan Total Breakdown and Khan St4

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Truth. This is scary. I’m so used to trying to say the right thing.

I just got back from doing laundry. I followed up on a plan to look for a microwave at the Goodwill next door, and I did. Having spoken to the cashier already, I asked her if they had a book collection, as most thrift stores usually have one. She pointed me back to a corner I’d not seen.

I found “No More Mr. Nice Guy”, a hardcover. For all of $1.50, and it was new. I hesitated at first, having not run Emp4 in 24 hours. I picked up EOG last night, and have been running it full-time, Stage 1.

I read maybe 15 pages in, and it’s me–all the way.

Fuck. What is said is true. I try to hide my weaknesses for the manipulative reason that “you’ll like me”. Yes, it’s true. Lying has been a habit–and so has me ingraining the belief that I’m a nice guy. I could go on and on and on…since it’s true.

I’m scared shitless airing this now, but it was empowering to read more moment by moment.

Something related to subs and these questionable motivations I’ll share here. I bought EOG last night remembering using another vendor’s money sub, and I felt empowered and increasingly more competent during that time, slowly but surely. I currently have made quite a bit, and I’ve used Emperor for the Mogul piece heavily. I’ve found making decisions with money easy, and after reading @SaintSovereign’s explanation that Mogul could only contain so much as a single stage, I bought EOG via Quadpay.

What I’m questioning with my money is me making big decisions to create a foundation/organization to “help” those in need. Even today, I bought a coworker breakfast, and I felt uncomfortable as I was aware I was waiting on validation, acceptance, and him “needing” me (those all being nice guy motivations). I could beat myself up for this–really I could–but Dr. Glover says not to. I’ve just been using scarcity thinking to get needs met. Self-validation, self belief, self liking–I’ve not had these. So I’ve played others for it day in and day out, all of my life.

This could sound like a self pity monologue. Self pity makes me miserable. Honesty helps me and encourages me. I’m fucking scared I manipulated others in this writing–but fuck NO! I’m tired of being helpless. That self-accusation I say “fuck off!” to.

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No More Mr Nice Guy” for $1.50? You did very well :laughing:

Some of the beliefs I deciphered what a nice guy might believe:

  • I see myself as a “good” person
  • My needs and wants don’t matter.
  • Others needs are more important than mine.
  • My existence is for others.
  • I must not be selfish, that’s bad.
  • My mother’s needs supercedes mine.
  • I must please mother so I can get her “love”
  • Everybody is as kind and open as me.
  • I put in the work and expect others to pay me back equal.
  • If someone dislikes me, I must try harder to get them to like me.

Boundaries: - that inwards focus, asking yourself if the environment and other people are “safe” for you feels new to me, and feels kinda feels “selfish”.

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You’re right on every point @Michel. The first one is held dominant in my life, though I’m not aware of all my thinking patterns…yet.

For me, the most selfish and unworkable truth I’ve believed, and read in NMMNG, is that I expect life to be “fine” if I’m good to people (even if I resent them). That people should notice my effort and support me in my journeys. I’m realizing that YES I do believe and act on this. Truthful too is the fact that manipulation can begin immediately if I sense you don’t believe in my sheltered view of life. Oh, and it’s usually subtle, since “nice” guys don’t do things for selfish reasons…cough cough.

I listened to Emp4 most of today, and about an hour ago, I began questioning my beliefs. I believe it’s New Beginnings working. What I realized was that

  1. I’m not sure where it’s taking me, but truth is better than lying, intentional or not, and
  2. I sat there feeling grateful Emperor was digging this up, and not me. Fear and sabotage this would be my avenue…with me feeling both regret and self disgust.
    However, New Beginnings knows right where to go and where to question. I can tolerate pain and find solutions for it if I’m not trying to believe old lies. Without all that bullshit, life works! That is priceless!!

Admission: I considered deleting “bullshit”. I didn’t want to be viewed as flagrant, immature, and without self control. Because people wouldn’t seek me for my wisdom and maturity. :rofl: Because I feel valuable (ummm) if you think I’m a good, wise man of stature.

Cough, cough.

That’s all bullshit I live by.

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I would think Ascension and Primal would provide the fastest acting antidote to this.

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Any sub that deals with the following:

  • Build Masculinity
  • Develop influence
  • emotionally separate from mother
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Anyone know if Khan ST1 addresses this?

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Khan ST1 removes everything that’s in the way of the above.

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Khan ST1 removes everything that is holding you back to become the man you personally would love to be.

I am 3 months in and I probably continue listening to it until Summer. I am just loving it.

You need to have no internal blockages to really experience the benefits of Khan ST4 to the fullest or you will end up sabotaging your results at one point or another.

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Wow, how many hours of listening is that?

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@friday I have to agree although with one minor difference. Total Breakdown to me isn’t just about becoming the man you personally want to be but definitely does a lot to uncover the man you really are and so very capable of becoming once all the self sabotaging beliefs and behaviors are eradicated. I’m only 14 days in. I’m more than a little excited and interested to see where I will be when I myself reach the three month mark

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And I totally agree with you @James.

I wanted to include the word “unconsciously” in my statement above but decided to leave it out as it did not sound as good.

Khan ST1 removes everything that is holding you back to become the man you personally would love to be.

You don’t need to have a clear vision of your ideal self consciously for it to work (although this can certainly help). We all have a personal picture of our ideal self stored unconsciously, and Khan will dig it out and will make you take action until you become it.

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@friday Exactly. Getting back to the " Nice Guy" aspect I feel a lot of what " Nice Guys " do and how they believe and act is because they think they have to be a certain way. That’s a big part of why I said what I did about trying to be something you’re not. Not anyone specifically but you get my point. I see it every day taking public transportation here of folks living up to a stereotype to be accepted which always has me curious as to how happy or miserable these people are. I have done a lot of things in my life including keeping my mouth shut, cutting my hair short , or wearing clothes I hated just to get a bit of acceptance or please someone else. Usually a girl. One of the most prominent things I have gained in the last two weeks of running Total Breakdown is that I’m done doing anything just to please someone else. On the flip side of that there are times I don’t really feel like doing certain things such as going grocery shopping or doing laundry but I still do them anyway just to get it down. I’ve said for a long time I have always wanted to be a guy who is able to just let go and do his do his own thing. Total Breakdown is helping make that a reality.

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In case anyone is curious this is me.

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I’m in a reflective mood this evening. Another thing I have gained from running Regeneration for a period of time and now Total Breakdown is becoming increasingly aware of my past mistakes and behavior was very self defeating and how to avoid anything like that from happening in the future.
There is a quote from the movie Fight Club that feels incredibly apropos to what I’ve been through in the last few years as well as everything I am gaining from running Total Breakdown
" It’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything "

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Diesel from WWE :beer:

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If it were possible, I’d love to have SC create a sub tailored for the nice guy. I spent the last half hour reading into No More Mr. Nice Guy to pick up stuff I’ve been terrified of. I’ve owned this book for over a month, and this is the second time I opened it up. The first page I opened up to spoke right to that core fear of mine.

Because it stated the reason some guys trade everything they want in life for this: we don’t want to be abandoned. Up until 2 years ago, I would have skipped over that. Abandonment often refers to a physical break of a relationship, whether it’s a parent deserting his family, or a lover leaving a relationship.

What I discovered, and what I experienced a lot growing up, was how a child interprets it. I’m 3 or 4, talking to my mom, thinking she wants to hear what I have to say, so I let it out. Out of nowhere, she snaps loudly and harshly “GO PLAY WITH YOUR BROTHERS!!” It was often much worse, but all it takes is one time to learn I won’t be going back for more. I learned it is unsafe to be vulnerable to women. I shut down my desire to receive love from the only adult available for me. I also learned “it’s not safe being me. I’ll be BETTER next time.” I believed it was my fault, and it created a belief that the real me is bad. It created a toxic shame about who I am. And I’ve spent my life trying to hide this “badness” from myself and anyone I interact with. I can put on a good show, but it’s all aimed at you not seeing this badness.

From this pain, I learned to abandon myself, especially when strong emotions come up. This is why I “perform” a lot, secretly hoping no one knows I’m being dishonest with them or myself. Dr. Glover says that essentially all nice guys are dishonest. Guilty.

I’m going to share the benefits Glover states when one begins overcoming the nice guy lifestyle.

These men:

Accept themselves just as they are
Use their mistakes as valuable learning tools
Stop seeking the approval of others
Experience loving and intimate relationships
Make their needs a priority
Find people who are able and willing to help them meet their needs
Learn to give judiciously and with no strings attached
Face their fears
Develop honesty and integrity

@SaintSovereign and @Fire, with Q coming out, is it possible to create a sub addressing these needs?

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