Viktor’s Victory Venture (LE + DRR)

[Viktor]

The more I use DRR1
The less I feel the need to express myself in an unproductive way.
Not because I repress them, but because they’re gone.
I don’t feel the urge as strongly as before.

I realize that there are times when I want to express something because of a discomfort inside.
But now the feeling is scarce.

This is very good for my productivity.
DRR1 fixed stuff that I wasn’t even aware of.
It’s like how LBFH fixed what I didn’t know needed to be fixed, except DRR1 is much smoother.
I just live my life and everything is getting better on its own.

[Viktor]

I need more exposure towards “not engaging in unimportant arguments”.

So far, I have done that pretty well.
I often choose to let it hang or let myself “lose”.
It is a losing game. I lose precious time & effort whether I win or lose.
More importantly, I risk losing the opportunity to get a deeper insight into why someone holds their belief if I only pay attention to proving myself.

But, I need more exposure to train myself to spot the impulses that start the argument to begin with.
The impulse to “correct” someone, to prove myself, to be on top.
There are times & places where these are great to use, but blindly following them is stupid.
That’s why I need to be more aware & familiar with them.

I have a higher purpose to achieve.
My focus is my work, it is often more beneficial to lose an unimportant argument than to win one.
It saves time, effort, resources etc. It also comes with a plethora of benefits for insight, creativity, practical applications, and more.
All for the price of “losing”.

This is not a perfect approach either.
Back then, I used to overshoot this “better to lose” mentality and let myself get trampled on important matters. Experimentation & finding the balance is essential.
What it is, is the best approach for my growth & my goals.

Being open minded is a painful process.
You have to constantly get over your own ego to truly understand others.
The goal is personal growth, and growth is not always comfortable.

This is why I’m considering E:WTP.
Spotting manipulation, understanding the nature of power etc.
All of these are important to spot which argument should I approach, what should I win/lose, and how to do it best. Losing without actually losing what’s important, Winning without losing what’s important.

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Limitless, RM:UA, NR, E:WTP. the list of subs that I want to use grows.
I wish there’s a sub that’s solely for open mindedness. It requires analytical skills, creativity, understandings about many things, and the willingness to go into the trenches to get your own hands dirty. You can only gain so much by just theorizing anyway.

I bet such a sub would be a recon nightmare though. It has to be at least a multistager sub, the user has to be eased into the mindset. with many warnings about how you need to have a great foundation before taking on this turbulent journey.
I doubt they would ever make one, rofl.

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

I am certain that the only way to use subs is to stick to it for as long as possible, at least 6 to 9 months.

Completely agree here. There are going to be “staple” subs. Then there’s always the subs like PN or LE or whatever you want to just get a quick result. But they should only be sampled if you’re consistent with your main sub.

@Viktor

or if the subs have solved so much of your original goals that keep using it past that point won’t be the most beneficial anymore, only after using them for 6 to 9 months.

In this case I love being able to transition to a sub that incorporates a lot of the same elements. Like transitioning from Mogul to Emperor, and/or Emperor to E:TWP/EmpD/HOM, or from Love Bomb to Heartsong, or from any combination of Genesis/Mogul/RM:W/RoM all of which share many similar "purpose "scripts.

@Parsifal

But for the moment I need fast acting subs like Ascension or LE.

I think you’re right here - and i’d add that if Ascension is working for you, you should keep it for 6-9+ months.

@Viktor

Without HeO in the stack, I notice more and more effects slowly degrading.
But I also find the changes that are already a part of me still holding up.
I’m curious how much I will retain from just commitment & keeping the lifestyle.

HeO has a much broader objectives list than LBFH so I’m not surprised. it’s a deep title. It’s also got the “unfolding” effect which is unique to HeO and the Revelation series, where results happen without a need to take action. Perhaps that unfolding effect is what you’re feeling is missing.

@Viktor

I need more exposure towards “not engaging in unimportant arguments”.

I’d bet $1000 that EmpD would do this very well - I can just imagine you using some Wisdom Energy to watch someone start an unimportant argument with you and you letting them win in a way where you look good… the more mature warrior letting the youngling swing his sword wildly, with the youngling thinking he’s being intimidating while everyone around him cowers in submission, but with everyone else thinking he’s being rash and immature and showcasing his own inexperience in leadership.

But I also think that RoM would do SO much for you in terms of this. I’ve always thought RoM would be great for you. There’s elements of it in Limitless, and RM:UA, and HeO. It has an intense pursuit of the mastery of knowledge and of the mastery of the mind, and directly works on analytical skills, understanding about everything, etc. etc.

Don’t let me switch you off your stack or anything. But if you do, I think you’d like these more than ETWP. But DRR1 is a beast that will provide a lot, even when run solo.

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

I’m kinda missing the push for the internal feeling of a deeper purpose, the drive to uphold the virtues, etc. A lot of the effects are subtle and I can’t really explain them in words.
Now that I think about it, It did feel like those were slowly unfolded to me over time.

@SaintSovereign

The Revelation of Mind was designed to skyrocket the cognitive and meditative abilities of your mind to allow for deep, deep insight and understanding into the secrets of reality, your life, your spirit and your purpose.

As for this…

@Viktor

One thing that WTP has over EmpD is it has less romance scripting, right now I’m satisfied enough with my romantic life and I want more focus on other things that I hold more importance in.

That ^ makes total sense.

@Viktor

Maybe DRG will be better at being a solo sub since it has productivity scripting, limitless, regality etc.

@SaintSovereign

I’m going to get myself in trouble for saying this, but the closest thing you can compare GOLD to is: DR + Chosen + the virtuous parts of HERO w/ a bit from Limitless. All directed toward the refinement of the self to obtain wisdom.

[Viktor]

@SaintSovereign

Cultivate emotional intelligence and empathy, improving the ability to manage emotions and understand a partner’s perspective.

@SaintSovereign

Help individuals develop deep skills in deep listening and empathetic communication

@SaintSovereign

There’s a lot of scripting about seeing and understanding each other’s viewpoints, even if you don’t accept them. What this means is that you could at least understand where she’s coming from

Just as i wrote about an idea of a sub that focuses on open mindedness yesterday. The new PR shows exactly what i want in a sub like that.

These are amazing for self growth outside of romance. Imagine how the effects will affect everything else. Self growth, healing, relations with others, creativity etc.

The goals of PR sound beautiful, i will absolutely run it when i choose to be in a relationship. Then i will consciously guide the understanding scripting so it affects more than just my relationship.

I think this is the only primal sub i’m seriously considering using. I still haven’t felt the tingles to get into it yet though. My focus is still elsewhere. so it will be later in the future.

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Edit:

@SaintSovereign

@whatevermore

Looks amazing; I’m in. I wonder to what degree some parts transfer to nonromantic settings. The ability to form deep, authentic connections with other people is great for many nonromantic settings, too.

Yes, I’m eager to see how the people here in sales finds this scripting. We may end up including it in True Sell, since that seems to be a major part of the sales industry.

It’s confirmed that it will work outside of romance too, i’m so gonna use this sub.

[Viktor]

DRR1 15m LE 30s

I have been using subs that have productivity scripting in them for more than a year.
Mogul, RM:UWX, RM:V, HeO.
There is cognitive enhancement scripting in most of them too.

The foundation has been laid out, so I will use +30s every listening day.

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Edit 1:
Nah, there’s no use in rushing. I’ll use +15s instead.

Edit 2:
Actually, I can afford to experiment for the next few weeks. I might as well try LE for +30s and DRR2 before I get really busy again.

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Update 1:

I feel nothing different.
No recon at all.

This is exciting. That means it’s similar productivity & creativity to RM:UWX but with less focus on writing. Just a broad enhancement towards my productivity & creativity like usual.

This is what i want.

30s is this promising.
I can’t wait to see what will happen if i listen to more.
I’ll jump straight to 7m.

I shouldn’t be too reserved. There are reasons to increase exposure.

• I have built up the base for productivity & creativity scripting for more than a year.
• It’s an older & lighter sub.
• It’s totally aligned with my life.
• There is no recon at all.
• And my schedule is free enough to take the risk for the next few weeks.

If this works like how i think it would, DRR1 + LE would be the most invisible stack i’ll ever use.
It’s a broad yet focused stack. I like it.

[Viktor]

The only thing i don’t really like about LE is how it has Beyond Limitless.
BL is for short term goals. The description says it itself.

I’m here for the long run. I’m sure LE would be great if i use it for long, but I want a sub that will give me the best bang for the bucks.

That’s why i decided to stay with my plan and make the custom i planned with Limitless, UA and modules for productivity, creativity & meditation.
I’ll make it in 3-4 months.
The goals are similar. productivity, creativity, & meditation, but customized to my needs & for long term growth.

So LE now will act like a stage 1 to the custom.

[Viktor]

The 11 on 4 off schedule is working well so far.

This is superior than anything above 13 - 15 listening days.
Even with 4 rest days instead of 5.

No overload symptoms at all.
I don’t feel that distinctive load around day 15-18, and definitely no debilitating weight & lethargy around day 19 - 23 (this is not an exaggeration, that is 1 common side effect I consistently felt around that time period regardless of what sub i used).

This schedule is perfect.
Listening time always starts at the 1st & 16th of the month. Washouts always at the 12th & 27th.
With february as the only exception. Use 9 on 4/5 off on the 16th of february (Or take a 13/14 days of washouts this time every year).
When there’s 31 days in the month, use 11 on 5 off on the 16th.

No more awkwardly trying to fit 26 days into the schedule.

6 total listening days in 11 days.
An even number makes stacking 3 subs less awkward.
In the normal 21 on 5 off, the third sub always get 1 less loop than the first & second.

I have also tested 9 on 4 off for months. It worked well. So 11 is definitely not “too short” by any means.

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After testing various schedules for more than a year, i found out that:

• Mon Wed Fri with rest on the weekends is not enough. 2 days of rest, even if there are 2-3 weekends in a cycle, is not enough to mitigate the overload symptoms near the end of the cycle. (Tagging @Fire & @SaintSovereign to take this one into consideration since you guys mentioned the weekend strategy for the new pdf)
• 3 rest days in the middle of a cycle is the bare minimum. It’s not optimal nor sustainable in the long run, but it actually does something than just 2.
• With only 11 days, 4 is optimal.
• 5 is great.

With the 11 on 4 off schedule, there’s no need to vaguely tell people to “take extra rest days in the middle of the cycle”. It’s built-in in the schedule using the most consistently optimal 4 days of rest.

[Jouissance]

@Viktor

The only thing i don’t really like about LE is how it has Beyond Limitless.
BL is for short term goals. The description says it itself.

I can totally see how you got there, especially because Limitless and QL are both updated while BL hasn’t been (neither the product nor the copy).

ZP made all titles more “fast acting.” But back in the day, Beyond Limitless was an “ultima” product, and Ultima was the counterpart to Qv2, which was meant to be listened to the same day you wanted to get results.

When the copy is referring to BL being good for “Short Term Goals” that’s still very much referring to the technology (ultima) as much as or more than the script (beyond limitless).

But with that being said, of course if you want the title that gives you extreme long-term results and doesn’t worry about how fast you get there, QL is the way to go. It’s SUPER enhancement on the physical, hormonal, neural, emotional levels, anything that might have anything to do with your brain, so you can improve cognition. I think ST2 especially focuses on creativity out of the four stages.

BL just kinda directly targets creativity and productivity without the other stuff.

You’re gonna love LE, whether you keep it as a sub for a long time or you use it as stage 1.

Personally, I wouldn’t sleep on how effective of a results enhancer LE can be, because the scripting isn’t just about cognition, it’s also about performance, meaning it helps you perform at your best every day.

And that means less recon and more action

[Viktor]

@Jouissance

When the copy is referring to BL being good for “Short Term Goals” that’s still very much referring to the technology (ultima) as much as or more than the script (beyond limitless).

That could be the case. I’m guessing out of the lack of information that the scripting is still targetted towards short term enhancements. I wonder what they will spin BL & LE as when they update them.

We have microloops now for short term goals anyway. So I kinda don’t see the point of them if it’s solely for cognitive enhancement.

@Jouissance

But with that being said, of course if you want the title that gives you extreme long-term results and doesn’t worry about how fast you get there, QL is the way to go.

I would love to use QL instead of Limitless, but I plan to run the custom alongside DRR1.
2 multistagers in a stack sounds a bit risky.
Maybe I’ll add it as the 4th stage after i’m done with DRR.
(stage 1: LE, 2: Limitless + UA, 3: RoM + UA, 4: QL + UA)

@Jouissance

You’re gonna love LE, whether you keep it as a sub for a long time or you use it as stage 1.

Yep, I’m sure of it. Every single productivity & creativity sub i’ve ever used from SC, when combined with either DRLD or DRR1, always work really well.

LE is just a more distilled & focused version of them. no extra stuff.
Just productivity, cognitive enhancement & meditation boost. All that i need to pair with DRR1.

@Jouissance

Personally, I wouldn’t sleep on how effective of a results enhancer LE can be, because the scripting isn’t just about cognition, it’s also about performance, meaning it helps you perform at your best every day.

And that means less recon and more action

This is what i’m after with LE. simple & straightforward for what truly matters to me.
I wish they upgrade LE to be more compatible with long term goals too. I might ditch my plan to make a custom altogether if they do that in less than a few months from now, rofl.

[Viktor]

LE 15m

I don’t feel anything.
This is so smooth. I would say it’s even smoother than DRR1.

It didn’t feel like I listened to a sub.
Even Mogul and DRR1 gave me a very slight, small shift in feeling.
LE felt like nothing.

Well, at least now I know I can run LE for 15m very easily.
I kind of expected that since I’ve run various subs that boost productivity and creativity for more than a year. But I didn’t expect it to be this smooth.

[Viktor]

A bit of a late testimony, but i decided that it’s fine to post this.

I actually used mogul for 1 loop earlier this month. I needed to get more stuff for efficiency and i wanted to fund it faster. Those were a bit expensive so i originally planned to use mogul for 1-2 months.

Then i listened to mogul once, somehow i got super lucky the next day and managed to gather all the funds needed in only a few days.

I still can’t wrap my head around how absurd the manifestation worked.

The wealth manifestation is no joke, rofl.
1 loop was enough as long as there are pathways for manifestations.

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I might delete this later, i always hold back on writing anything about mogul’s results. But this is just too good to not share.

[Parsifal]

@Viktor

Then i listened to mogul once, somehow i got super lucky the next day and managed to gather all the funds needed in only a few days.

I still can’t wrap my head around how absurd the manifestation worked.

The wealth manifestation is no joke, rofl.
1 loop was enough as long as there are pathways for manifestations.

I don’t say I envy you.
But I still kinda do
You’re getting all these crazy results. Even crazy financial results from UWX, now with one run of GM again.
Little me running financial subs for over a year now, and I only got triple of what I invested in subs…

But I was at a completely different starting point. There’s a lot of internal stuff to clear through before money can flow freely.

Or maybe this is a believe I need to clear first…

[Viktor]

@Parsifal

You’re getting all these crazy results. Even crazy financial results from UWX, now with one run of GM again.

There must be a bit of wealth scripting too from the other subs in my stack. But the sheer absurdity of the manifestation couldn’t be from anything else other than Mogul.

And just like how Mogul always does, the manifestation didn’t come completely randomly. It was absurd, but it was from pathways that were already laid out in my life. I just did my best to seize them.

This is always the case with Mogul, the more you open channels for wealth to flow into your life, the more effective it is.

@Parsifal

But I was at a completely different starting point. There’s a lot of internal stuff to clear through before money can flow freely.

Yeah, admittedly, I came to Mogul without many internal blockages about wealth towards my goals to begin with. So it’s understandable that I have it easier with wealth scripting.
The internal stuff will clear out over time with enough experience & sub usage. Don’t worry about it.

I find DRR to be the best sub for cleansing blockages.
Big and small, even the ones you’re not aware of.
You should try it when a slot opens up in your stack.

Maybe Mogul worked exceptionally fast this time because there were blockages that got melted down by DRR1 behind the scenes. It kinda makes sense since this is the first time I’ve ever had significant gains this quickly.

[Viktor]

I decided to cycle through all the stages of DRR.
I’m now more free and I can spare time to deal with the potential recon.

I’ll start DRR2 in the middle of this month together with LE.
Last time I jumped too quickly to 15m, and I didn’t really prefer the changes DRR2 brought over the ones DRR1 offers. But after I read my journal again, I realized that that might be because I went through DRR2 too quickly.

@Viktor

the recon is something else, i’ve written them in my journal but long story short, every single thing that makes me, well, “me” is being challenged. everything is being hit but the 3 big recon I’m feeling are:

• less confidence in a lot of things
• feeling unsettled since things are changing way too much too quickly
• physically can’t focus as well as before I started DRLD

interestingly enough, I also feel an increase in all of those in another way, I feel less confidence but more confidence at the same time, I feel unsettled but certain, physically can’t focus but I feel significantly less resistance towards my productivity. these are just the 3, there are more that I’ve written in my journal.

This is from a year ago, the first cycle of DRLD. Back when I haven’t tried microlooping.
I can see some similarities with how it was too much, too quickly.
Maybe that was why I didn’t really like DRR2.

I’ll use +1m30s every listening day, starting from 0.
Not too quick, not too slow.

[Viktor]

The thing that I started because of the inspiration from running RM:V is finally in full operation.
I can’t believe saying “fuck it, imma do it” actually worked.

How long ago did I start working on it? 3 - 4 months ago?
I never would have expected everything to be this quick.
Thanks Mogul, rofl.

I’m so excited for what’s to come.
Idk if this will end up well or not, only time can tell. Whatever happens, at least I can say “yes, I did it”, lol.

[Viktor]

@Viktor

In both cases, i just wanted some of the effects.
Emotional control, social skills & physical shifting from WB.
Storytelling, creativity, productivity & wealth from RM:UWX.
I don’t want to be in too many romantic situations or to get too deep into writing & becoming a writer. Yet those are what they both manifested.

The problem is about the great results that are way outside of what i want to focus on in life.

The manifestations were so strong that I didn’t need to really go out of my way to get them. The opportunities somehow found their ways to present themselves through various channels.

After i wrote this, i have been wondering why this is the case.

I think there’s a part of me that wants these results, these are great.
But i have a bigger want, a higher purpose than them.
That’s why i wrote “I don’t want to be in too many romantic situations…”.

It’s not that I don’t want them. They got manifested because there’s a part of me that wants them. But the intensity & the frequency are just too much that they derail me from my main goals.

Having to refuse too many big opportunities so that i can focus on what i truly want was also taking a toll on me over time. That’s why RM:UWX was a bit exhausting to use. These were opportunities from subs. Not only they were big, they were also well suited for me.

All of these made me want to stick with simpler, more straightforward subs for my needs.
The less scattered they are to the stuff that are not my main goals, the better.

[Viktor]

@Viktor

@Ravenscout

So in other words I could keep NWE and still add new Limitless? My custom would be very dense if I did that, but I plan on running Limitless either way regardless. Wouldn’t it end up being smoother if I added it in the custom instead of adding it as a second title in my stack?

I can’t say anything for sure since I haven’t tried it myself.
Honestly, i want to try 3 cores + 1 NSE too just to see what would happen. The opinions here in the forum are still mixed up & unclear about the combination.

At this point, it’s better to submit a ticket to the support for a more accurate answer.

Fuck it, i’m gonna test it myself.

I want a more straightforward custom and i know i only need a simple one for my goals, but i’m also curious as heck about whether it’s too much or not.

I’m gonna add NR back into into the custom i planned for 3 months from now. I’ll use it for at least 2 months. If it ends up being too dense, i’ll just remake it with only ME + Limitless. It will only cost $100 + 2 months anyway. That’s barely nothing.

[Viktor]

My breath is naturally getting deeper and deeper.
Much less tension and blockages.
DRR1 is slowly cleansing the fuck ups in the background.
The more i use DRR1, the more everything just gets better out of nowhere.

[Viktor]

I have used LE for 3 loops total.

Honestly, I thought there would be a bit more immediate results since the sub sounds like it’s designed for that.

But nothing different so far.
I guess the strength is just the same as Mogul or RM:UWX in the short term.

That’s why i don’t feel any result from LE, not because there isn’t any, but it’s just too similar in strength & characteristic to the subs i used before.

Well, i hope LE will give me more after a month.
I’m forgoing Mogul’s boost on wealth after all.
It should better be worth the extra focus on productivity & cognitive enhancement.

Let’s see.