@TheRationalOptimist - even though @Liquidfire came in too strong, his advice is still valuable.
Maybe you don’t resonate with the RSD recommendation but I do highly recommend the other books and information that he recommends. Learning game is important to seduce women because mating strategies are a science in itself and Libertine will amplify your seduction skills and abilities so do consider his advice
I am having a lot of fun reading this guys’ posts lol
Regardless of you not liking what he said.
If you want results, you need to take his advice.
Just listening to subs and expecting magic is NOT how this works. Not.at.all.
Awesome format man, love it!
As long as you approach consistently you don’t need anything else to get started.
Thinking back on my journey, I would give up on any book I’ve read to do 200 approaches instead.
Day 2
Date = Friday April 16th
before i get to the details i want to mention that unfortunately my frustration with management continues to grow.
I never received any replies to my support tickets which means i have now sent 2 tickets since joining this community 3-4 days ago and i have received o replies.
the cofounder responded to my thread about the terrible customer service with a nonchalant/dismissive post that had like 1 sentence.
I’m so annoyed by the terrible customer service i have received that im thinking maybe i should just move on and try other methods to accomplish my sexual goals.
Anyways, im still here for now so lets get to the details of my 2nd day ever using subliminals.
Which Subliminal Did You Use Today?
Why Did You Switch To A New Audio File After Only 1 day?
i spent hours yesterday reading the libertine main thread and several people kept mentioning that version 1 has more lust then version 2 and that version 2 the lust was lowered to add more comfort to hep guys who refuse to approach.
im not really sure what they mean but i know several people said version1 generates more lust and lust is the only reason i bought libertine so i switched to the version that apparently generates more lust.
Results With Women
Approach #1 (9:39 pm) = super hot girl. blonde, around 5-9 to 5-10 tall, wearing tight jeans that showed off her juicy ass. high heels and a very sexy walk. this girl was just basically a sex machine. when i saw her i got way to excited and i just fucked up my approach. i came in awkwardly. she was polite but did not seem attracted to me so i thanked her and left. I was annoyed with myself after because this was girl was really really really hot and maybe if i had come in without the awkwardness she would have been interested/attracted.
Approach #2 (9:56 pm) = 2 girls. both where hot. both girls where friendly and nice. they both seemed nervous, i did not notice any blatant sign of either of them being attracted to me so i thanked them and left.
*Approach #3 (10:38 pm)
Approach #4 (10:44 pm)
Approach #5 (11:59 pm)
My Thoughts About This Session
My strategy tonight was the same i always use on the street.
I approach using a neutral/indirect question to see if any girl in the group is attracted to me instantly just from my looks and if not i move on.
I’m very mad at myself for wasting so much time with the last 2 girls. i failed to follow my strategy.
as far as subliminals.
i have now done 7 total approaches with subliminals and so far 0 girls who have been blatantly attracted to me.
my ratio without subliminals is 1 in 5 approach i do i will have at least one girl who is blatantly/obviously attracted to me.
so i am staring to get worried as my ratio is worst so far with subliminals.
obviously its still too early for any conclusions to be reached but still a bit concerning because my 1 in 5 ratio is actually very consistent.
I will have to check my notes to know for sure but i do not think i have ever had a streak of more then 8 or 9 approaches in a row with 0 girls showing blatant attraction.
so the 0 for 7 is getting very close to the worst losing streak i have had since i started doing street approaches.
but again not super concerning as maybe tomorrow my first 3 approaches 2 girl will be blatantly attracted which would put me at 1 in 5 ration.
I will start to get more concerned if i do 5-7 approaches tomorrow and 0 girls is blatantly attracted. at that point it would start to be likely that libertine is actually hurting my results.
Did You Notice Anything Different/Unusual/New During This Session?
i do not remember anything unusual during the 5 approaches i did tonight.
everything that happened are things i see all the time without subliminals.
i did not remember anything at all tonight bad or good that might have been caused by libertine.
so far libertine has not shown any effect good or bad in my interactions with women.
also, the better mood i had yesterday was not there today. so i think that mood improvement yesterday did come from weather because today the weather was not as good and i did not have the noticeably good mood.
What’s Next?
i was hoping if things went really well today i would not go out tomorrow since i really want to watch the Ben Askren fight.
but i did not get laid tonight so im definitely going out again tomorrow.
Saturday is usually the busiest night by far so hopefully tomorrow i can do more then the 5 approaches i did tonight. hopefully i can do at least 7 tomorrow.
also, im not sure how much longer i will be apart of this community. im so fucking annoyed by the terrible customer service that part of me does not even care if subliminals can help me as i kind of do not want to support a company that handles customers the way i have been treated.
it’s too bad because things where going so well right until i bought the program and arrived at the download page. everything from then on has been terrible.
anyways, thats all for this update.
Hey @TheRationalOptimist, you should only listen to Ultimas once per day. 2 or 3 times will definitely cause headaches and your mind would probably start rejecting the sub’s messages as well. Something you could do is wake up an extra hour early and while you are still able to fall back asleep, listen to one loop. My advice is listen to 1 loop a day from Monday to Friday and take Saturdays and Sundays off. Its on the rest days that the subliminal really does its work.
yeah thats what i thought too based on what i read on the sales page.
but the cofounder says otherwise in the libertine thread.
read post 981 here: Main Disc. Thread - Libertine Ultima
the cofounder says to run it as much as possible before going out.
btw, what is a loop?
does 1 loop = listening to the audio once?
Dude you are being a bit ridiculous honestly.
The subs can help but you need to change your approach and maybe how you talk with women too. Don’t go there trying to get laid bc you will become dependent on that. Go there to have a good time and meet new people. The getting laid part will happen during that process.
Maybe try to stick around and talk to women a bit longer before saying thank you and leaving. You want sex with 9 new women a month up your game. And stop getting mad at yourself and the world and whatever for things not going your way, life happens the sooner you learn to accept that the sooner things will be different for you.
The thing about attraction is that you have to have a good vibe to you, so going there with a mindset of dependency on getting laid doesn’t help your vibe it probably throws it off a bit honestly especially as the night goes on and not many girls are attracted to you as you want them to be. You need to change that up.
You should run primal seduction and let it help you change your mindset and help you become a true sex god
I can give you my advice bc I’m 5’6 and look decently attractive. I have no problem going up to women and talk to them. If I want a girls number 9/10 times I’ll get it or sex. Ive picked up women and got laid without even meaning to lol. And I’ve never in my life listened to a seduction book or how to pick up women book or any of that crap lol, 99 percent of it is all horse shit. You want to pick up women go there with a good vibe and have fun engaging with them attraction or not. Don’t make it a numbers game, that is the problem with 90 percent of the I want to get laid world or have sex with x amount of women a month. Make it an I want to enjoy myself game. The more dependent you are on getting laid a night the more things will work against you. You have to change your approach and your mindset.
Learn to be like water, be adaptable to any situation. Sometimes you will see and even feel attraction right away and sometimes you won’t but that doesn’t mean you can’t change that by talking to them for a bit. Show interest in them and what they want to talk about.
That is my 2 cents
Yes that is what it means. Once your mind gets used to the subs then I guess you could listen to it maybe twice a day, but since you are new I strongly advice against that. Since Ultimas are created for more or less instant results, you really only need to listen to it once a day.
In fact Ultimas are so strong that listening every other day might be even better Instead of Monday - Friday. Still take Saturdays and Sundays off though.
One thing that’s worth noting with Libertine is that being an aura sub, the effects of auras so far here have been found to wax and wane depending on time and various factors that people haven’t been able to pin down yet. You can read about that on several peoples journals and the Libertine thread itself, some of @TheBoxingScientist’s posts about auras in customs are worth reading and some of that is summarised in the Unofficial Frequently Asked Questions thread.
Ultima is a state shifting technology and there tends to be some experimentation needed to make it work optimally for your situation. I’ve personally found getting out of your own way to be key to make the state shift happen reliably.
Please do not post in my journal again.
Im not interested in any feedback from you and i did not read a single word of the long post you just made.
Thank you.
Im going to keep following the advice of the cofounder who im assuming knows more then you.
He said listen as much as possible before going out and that is what im planning to keep doing for now.
Well, if you want to achieve anything in life, you should maybe at least consider feedback you’re given.
Just an idea.
That’s fine I give my advice wanted or unwanted.
But you should learn to take advice and atleast give things a chance.
I wish you the best on your journey to get laid by multiple women a month.
Go buy PSITU it will work way better then libertine itself.
All the best
This is a good journal. Keep pushing.
So tl;dr libertine is garbage?, i am thinking about buying it.
There are plenty of positive reviews, do some searching on the forums. My mate and I tested it way back.
Now that the creators updated it to the new Ultima v2 I’m probs gonna stack it with my incoming custom.
No it isn’t if you use it for intended purposes.
Well, nobody will accuse you of not having balls. Your account is 4 days old, your journal 1 day old and you’ve gone hard after members that have been around since 2018 and are not known for frivolous posting.
Please realize that we’ve all had our own journey and are colored by our own experiences, I do not believe people had any ill will and that they were simply trying to advise you. Heck, even OldChap posted and he’s one of our oldest (no pun intended) success stories. I think he still holds the record for shortest time between starting subs and sex.
That said, it is indeed your journal and you are free to ask people not to participate in it, which I expect them to respect.
With that in mind, although I do feel @Liquidfire’s post is not up to me as moderator to delete (and neither do the 9 people that liked it), I would appreciate it if he’d delete it himself so we don’t need a staff meeting to figure out what to do with it.
After I write down al his recommendations, of course. 
Let’s all keep it nice, people. If you disagree with the original poster, just move on to another thread and leave him be. I would rather see people keep their journals here than leave the forum because they feel disrespected.
There’s lots and lots of people on the Internet and I have no doubt there’s a whole bunch of people that absolutely agree with everything Mr. Optimist writes in exactly his style of writing. If that’s not you, that’s fine. There’s also lots of people that love your style and opinions.
SubClub doesn’t pick sides, we want all of you to feel you can be honest and open here. As long as you respect each other while doing it.
Definitely not, Libertine is a great product. It’s also pretty powerful. Now with Ultima, running one or two loops about 4-8 hours before going out will likely make a world of difference. Provided you’re ready for it.
When it was still a supercharger, the recommendation was directly before going out. Ultimas start working right away, but it can take a few hours to reach their peak. Depends on the listener.
I think it’s important to release your expectations, let it act how it needs and not how you believe it should.
Over longer periods of time, it will have some lasting effects. Combining it with Love Bomb is also great. As cheesy as it sounds, women are very attracted to a man radiating love. Love and lust? Hope you’re stocked up on condoms.
But if you’re looking for a systematic change into the kind of man that can have just as much success with or without Libertine, something like PS, Khan or PSIT is definitely recommended. PSIT hits hard, it’s meant for people that already have gone through some prep work in confidence and self-respect.