The nature of growth within our psychosomatic system

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#19

I see what you mean now, but isn’t the point of using subs to bypass the safety mechanisms that our mind has built?

I feel like if something really isn’t safe for us and we know it for sure then even if subconsciously we are suggested to do so our conscious mind would still not engage.

But again I haven’t fully understood precisely what @Sub.Zero is suggesting regarding somatic scripting.

I just know that whatever they did in the latest updates it’s feeling really good in the body and is accelerating integration of the sub.

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#20

Mmmm to me that would go against free will scripting in zp. Maybe in other subs created by developers that’s the goal, but you can see how much turbulence that kicks up. I think that’s what makes these subs work so well, there’s no bypassing or trickery to get an outcome. It’s consent and a whole system focus on growth.

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#21

This.

Until the release of Earth, GLM, and WANTED, it seemed there was a preference for addressing, through ZP, a one-directional system (“mental strucutres”), if we use @Fractal_Explorer’s terminology. Now, however, the aforementioned programs appear to have unified the ZP approach to address the bidirectional system we are — our psychosomatic system (therefore, addressing “somatic structures” as well).

I only pointed out that focusing on pendulation would be even more beneficial to the approach that seems to have been taken in ZP development toward ZPU. Pendulation (contraction before expansion) seems to be embedded in the growth we experience on ZP. Addressing the somatic side effects of pendulation has already proven really effective, as I mentioned in the first post.

I believe the shift from reconciliation toward pendulation is the way to go.

#22

I’m not sure that’s what free will scripting is about, I didn’t think about it this way at least.

I think in the case we’re talking about our free will is the choice to listen to the sub or not, and receive suggestions that bypasses our conscious choices but doesn’t enforce them

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#23

Everyone’s different. I’m not saying that approach can’t work, but I think a certain type of person or individual responds better than others.

Hypothetically if someone has a complex internal world, effectively different fragments of self, then free will scripting could apply because even though that internal world is you, those existing in it can respond in a fully autonomous way where they essentially appear to be a different person due to differing views and perspectives.

So I’m not saying that was the original intention of the free will scripting, I couldn’t possibly know what saint and fire put in there. But from my experience the conscious is just the first line of defense. Bypassing that is not a guarantee that it will be assimilated into my system. The neutrality of zp is what I think makes that easier, the script is presented as ideas to be acted up on not a coercion or force.

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#24

Saint elaborated more here

I would say that in my experience the lines can blur a lot and at times there is no clear distinction between conscious and subconscious, yet they do very much act in different ways. Maybe they communicate back and forth so fast and in an instant. That’s why I like the approach of considering everything vs a solely bottom up or top down method.

#25

It could be that it’s already the case to some extent and why we’re seeing these results, the inclusion of new relaxation scripting that acts as the expansion phase while the contraction is the reaction/resistance of challenging new concepts.

How do you think ‘pendulation’ type scripting would look like in broad terms?

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#26

It would be incredibly enlightening to read the scripts after having so much experience with these subs. I think it would be breakthrough inducing and would help bridge subconscious and conscious in a whole new way.

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#27

If you released the somatic trauma response caused by being traumatized by your father, there would still be the matter of forgiveness, which is mental and emotional. Trauma is a complex beast — tackling it from the somatic side alone is not enough to resolve it entirely.

In my case, it was about realizing that there was nothing to forgive, because he was who he was — a traumatized person who never resolved his own pain. What truly mattered was understanding that the issue wasn’t about forgiving him but about forgiving myself for being helpless when I was traumatized. I came to see that my weakness was only illusory, since a child can’t stand up to a fully grown man. The very fact that I survived attests to my inner resilience.

Now I’m really close to getting rid of that somatic trauma response and healing my nervous system.

I agree with @Fractal_Explorer regarding trauma healing.

However, in this thread I’m focused on shifting from reconciliation to pendulation in how ZP tech is delivered, and not so much on resolving trauma — even though this is where I see massive improvement in the latest tech.

Precisely.

Perhaps not by reading the scripting (for obvious reasons), but by reading — or, even better, watching — a story where the hero embodies the scripting 100%. Stories have a powerful impact on us and can help us transcend our daily lives, guiding us toward our ideals — even if only in our imagination.

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#28

It would need to address the most typical side effects of contraction (which is very similar to recon but for many it also involves negative somatic reactions) that is one of the two phases of pendulation. I listed those side effects here. Moreover, it should foster the qualities of expansion that I listed here.

However, thanks to Earth — and to some extent GLM as well

Apart from that, there’s the “aha moment” when we realize we’ve entered contraction and can will ourselves out of it to move into expansion, acting upon the insights revealed during the contraction episode — a feature introduced in the first version of the anti-recon tech. That was a masterful stroke.

However, I would foster “intelligent contraction,” (something like intelligent fear) and the boldness to act upon it, which I believe would not only support expansion (aka growth) but also greatly reduce the frequency of contraction. This would foster what helps us transform the most: taking action outside of our comfort zone.

Intelligent contraction is the ability to recognize and use contraction as a constructive guide rather than being controlled by it. It’s not about eliminating contraction, but harnessing it wisely to inform your decisions and growth. It is present in the anti-recon tech to some extent, but many people still fail to acknowledge those “aha moments,” gain valuable insights, and act upon them — and this is the forge of real growth.

Key aspects:

  1. Awareness – You notice contraction as it arises instead of suppressing or denying it.
  2. Analysis – You understand the source of the contraction and distinguish between real danger and imagined or habitual fear.
  3. Action-Oriented – Instead of freezing, avoiding, or reacting impulsively, you let the insights you gained from applying intelligent contraction guide careful, informed action.
  4. Growth Catalyst – The “negative” energy generated due to contraction, and now consciously conversed from driving contraction into driving expansion (into “positive” energy) thanks to being intelligent (it’s intelligent contraction after all), pushes you out of your comfort zone safely, supporting personal transformation and expansion.
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#29

From the perspective of trauma specialists like Peter Levine (who coined pendulation), Stephen Porges (Polyvagal Theory) and others in the field, the body has to feel safe first in order to release trauma, it’s the foundation for any trauma release. Trauma is stored throughout the nervous system and body as incomplete survival responses, affecting muscles, fascia, posture, autonomic regulation etc. Supporting the body’s felt sense of safety is essential when healing trauma

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#30

That’s the axis of pendulation — the sense of safety within the whole psychosomatic system. For this reason, I suggested focusing on strengthening “the container” (the whole system). By that, I didn’t mean building muscles or simply healing/developing the nervous system, but rather permeating the entire system with a deep, visceral sense of safety and stability, which are crucial for growth (expansion) of the whole being.

The system struggles to grow while stuck in survival mode, being constantly triggered — let alone when growth is accelerated (by subs or any other modality that enables it).

Perhaps it all boils down to communicating to the whole system: Fasten your belt, babe, it’s going to be one hell of a ride — because the system is very capable of doing just that, priming itself for accelerated growth.

I believe you mentioned something similar in the past, @Fractal_Explorer

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#31

I’m with you on the core — the system has to register safety before any meaningful release can happen.

‘Feeling safe’ isn’t always enough if the system doesn’t know how to hold that state or return to it after activation.

I’ve seen sympathetic rebound kick in — contraction, agitation, tension spike.

Not always from external threat, but often from the system bracing against a shift toward parasympathetic regulation it hasn’t yet learned to trust.

That might be resistance. Or it might be a system gripping to preserve control — not because safety is absent, but because the felt sense of softening still doesn’t register as safe.

Until the system can metabolize safety and anchor it as trustworthy, release remains blocked — and growth can’t unfold.

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#32

Yes, I see it as making the whole system feel safe and stable on a visceral level (strengthening the “container”) as its default state, where it responds to stimuli in a resilient and empowered way instead of reacting with contraction. That resilient and empowered response expands the system and propels its growth.

What we call subliminal results and report on the forum are usually mere signs of the powerful transformation happening underneath, and I would say they are a natural byproduct of our growth.

I can clearly see it now, as I’m strengthening my whole system with Earth, Focus 10 tape #2, and TRE. TRE has taken it to a whole new level. I don’t really entertain those results anymore, as they don’t matter when your aim is to transform your whole system in a way that makes it strong enough to tap into your real capabilities and express them autonomously — as a response to the world, not merely as a reaction.

At this point, the visceral sense of safety and stability within your entire system is so high that expressing what you’re truly capable of happens in a highly resilient, self-reliant, independent, and self-empowering way.

Pendulation is, in its essence, becoming comfortable with the uncomfortable, so to speak, to make it really simple to explain.

Pendulation, seen from the perspective of the anti-recon tech, would be gradually becoming comfortable (“safe”) with what’s uncomfortable (“unsafe”) in executing certain elements of the scripting that are outside your comfort zone.

That’s a massive shift in how we view the processing, integration, and execution of the scripting, mate. I see lots of implications in that shift that could help improve the tech even further — way further.

#33

Here’s an idea guys, which I will definitely be testing:

Start your tre session and run your subs in the middle of it when good amount of tremors and energy flow is going on.

#34

Why would you do that, mate?

I’d like to examine your rationale, as it could provide me with further insights. So, if you could, mate. Thanks

#35

During TRE you’re in a deeply relaxed and open state on all levels, nervous system is relaxing and opening deeply so the subliminal input has a very good pathway to enter the field of our consciousness and start immediate integration on deeper levels within the system.

The TRE tremors are creating both a release of energy and a stimulation of the body, which is very good state to introduce new ideas(mental sub input) that will translate into new energetic pathways(emotional patterns habits) and new physical structure(nervous system/muscles,etc.).

Accelerated integration is what I’m thinking and have already experienced with doing pandiculation while listening to sub, but TRE is deeper and more potent so I’m convinced it can bring very good results when combined.

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#36

I’m in that state after the exercise when my nervous system is integrating the changes. When the violent tremors stop, my body feels a kind of ping throughout that leads me into a really deep state of relaxation.

I’m experiencing something totally different now, as I’ve attained a very deep visceral sense of safety and stability throughout my entire system, thanks to Earth, TRE, and Focus 10 tape #2. It’s a powerful and undeniable transformation beneath the subliminal results I’m getting and beyond what the scripting could potentially offer.

It’s happening because I’ve massively strengthened my whole system — that deep visceral sense of safety and stability I mentioned — so the pendulations around my subliminal themes now happen faster and run much deeper.

The results line up with the themes but go beyond what the subs actually offer, because my potential within each theme exceeds the subs’ scope. In practice, the subs seem to kick the theme into motion and give me only these pieces that match my true potential, while leaving out the rest.

No problem — thanks to really effective pendulation, my inborn potential simply transcends the scripting and produces far better outcomes, because those outcomes emanate from the true me more than ever before, so to speak.

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#37

Similar sentiment, but I think we’re taking different approaches

This is a good example of what I’m trying to avoid. This is the equivalent of the “fight” response which will cause me to swing back in the other direction of a trauma response.

I’ve learned for me there is no way to communicate this and get my system to understand. It has to be through example. Setting the expectation that tough times are ahead is enough for me to go into that contracted state.

Also unfortunately for me, safe situations trigger anxiety. I have a bad habit of expecting the worst when things are at their best.

It’s very much like the micro loop strategy, I have to work within the window of tolerance to enact change → have my system witness that change → then my system is more receptive to growth. There’s no real way of short cutting this process or enhancing it and I’ve found attempts to do that in the past has resulted in the opposite of what I want

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#38

What you quoted was just venturing and I must agree with you that it could trigger our defense mechanisms.

The core concept was conveyed here:

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