Subliminal Page Count / Heaviness Rank

It would be nice to have a definitive list of all subs ranked by their heaviness (proportional to page count). Doesn’t matter if the actual page count number is surfaced. This would at least help people set expectations.

For example, Ascension and PCC. I was surprised to hear that they have a similar number of pages.

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Someone has suggested this in another thread. I can’t remember who. or the title of that thread. Haven’t seen it in a while, but it may have comments/replies on it. Just wish I could remember. Time for. QL I guess :wink:

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That would be nice, and the list of benefits/outcomes of each Subliminal/Stage!!!

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I think saint’s gonna go like.

“Relax ya’ll we’re already working on it, right now our focus is pushing out bigger things”

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I don’t remember the thread, but I’m pretty sure that Saint answered a request like this from @Hermit before regarding density rankings based off of page counts, to which Saint said something about density being about more than the amount of pages in the script. It might not have been Hermit though, this was at least a month ago I saw this I think.

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If I remember right, SaintSovereign said that page number doesn’t exactly correspond to heaviness of the subliminal title.

But there are compartively lighter and denser titles.

Denser title eg- EmperorQ
Lighter title egs- Mind’s Eye, Power Can Corrupt.

I think this is the post I was remembering from before

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Yeah, it would be great to know the density but on the other hand it’s always an individual matter. Say Emperor is very dense but I can handle 8 loops with ease whereas somebody else barely handles 2 loops. But the same person handles StarkT with ease at 3 loops per day whereas for me one per day is too much. But maybe there’s some factor in our mind which is responsible for how much of the density we can handle and it doesn’t matter what kind of programing (script, objectives) is in the sub.

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@Palpatine - this thread doesn’t have any replies. I think it is somewhere else. It’s been long since I saw it. I will try digging the heck out of the search bar and see

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@Sub.Zero - yeah. I don’t put too much into the page count thingy.

Possibly good for stacking ideas (eg a Dense + Light title would be feasible. For example I clearly remember SaintSovereign recommending Mind’s Eye with Emperor or Ascended Mogul in the first go itself). Similarly, PCC can be used in the same way.

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Okay so this is the closest info I could find:

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Great ideas guys but i think the problem with labelling dense titles may be

  • dense maybe for me and not for you…
  • light maybe for you and not for me…

Dense titles for one maybe the amount of reconcilliation one has to go through also.
Light title can also mean faster reconcilliation due to the length of script.

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This may go against the grain here, but I prefer the way it is now.

Here’s my reasoning:

Whether we’re open about it or not, a big part of what we’re looking for with subliminals is Hope. A lot of the microquestions that people ask here on the forum could also be looked at as, ‘Hey, should I still have hope?’ (That’s definitely reductionist of me. And there are a lot of necessary questions that we ask. I’m just saying this is part of the picture.)

I feel like something like a heaviness or density ranking could also be misused to as a way to find reasons why things are not working. Basically, ‘Well, it’s no wonder that didn’t work. It was too heavy!’

But a method that doesn’t work well for me or that feels super-heavy or dense for me, might work great for you. Taking script-length as an example: If there is a 300-page script, you might actually already be pretty good with about 200 of those pages. If I’m only good with about 5 of them, then the same 300 page script is going to be much denser for me than it is for you. In that case, it would be a shame if you had chosen not to use that program just because you said ‘wow, 300 pages that seems way too long!’

I don’t want my preconceptions to be too strong before I start working on something. I don’t want to get lost in predicting the probability of success. I’d rather just have a general guideline and then find out the rest for myself through experience.

hahaha. While I was thinking about how to express this, @Lion and @pacman came in and said the same thing in much less space.

(I’ve noticed that when I’m feeling the load, my posts seem to get longer.)

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@Malkuth - may you always feel the load so that we get your longer rants lol.

Jokes aside, it is good to give a detailed explanation and yes, there is good sense to the idea of hope in questions regarding subliminals.

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No anwser, nobody wants it :joy::joy:

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@GoldenTiger - LOLL

This. Page count matters less than you think. Blue Skies is much shorter than Emperor, yet the latter is much easier to run. The ambitiousness of the goal is more important. HoM, for example, has an incredibly ambitious goal. It’s quite “dense” in that aspect.

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For me, Blue Skies has not given me all too much reconciliation. It’s really a matter of internal beliefs vs external experiences, whenever there’s a dis-congruence between those two, then reconciliation arises.

So for each, it will be different and therefore it makes no sense to create a density rank because it’s merely a subjective thing and cannot be measured objectively. Well, it could be measured individually but each parameter will be different in relation to the user himself.

To effectively choose a script for you it is important to know thyself and Astrology is a great aid to do so. For example, Emperor went against my natural energies, at least the introverted versions from back in the day, nowadays they work a little bit differently. I bet Daredevil works great for me as I become energized from socializing. For someone who dislikes socializing and becomes drained by the action of doing so, it is probably not a wise choice to go for Daredevil as that person will have a mental desire to socialize but become drained anyway.

Everyone has a natural purpose in life and it is up to each person to find that purpose and pursue it.

Astrology is a great aid? What do you meant by that?

That depends on whether you believe that you can change your destiny with subliminals or you are destined for a “natural purpose in life?”.