Alot guys are on steriods some on TRT still others using shady supplements just to get big.
They have all been sucked in by social media and hollywood movies.
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Yeah but PS is the first one I bought because it sounded most in line with my goals but why do you think itās not aligned with me?
And yeah I agree with you, too many guys using steroids. Iām gonna try the DIM and Tribulus combo. All natural for me
I think PS is comprised of two subliminalsā¦
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Primal
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Sex & Seduction
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Is Outer game this from what i can see is what you already have (techiques etc). Secondly your game appears to be raw sexuality no pua techniques, no following some retarded āmodelā that some pua guy advocates. Like day game or night game models. Sex & Seduction component teaches you outer game which you dont need.
As your good looking and dress well. Subcommunication is what you rely onto pull birds.
Primal is inner game it enhances your inner game hence improves subcommunication. Thats all i think you need.
Of course you know betterā¦
. Those are just my observations i might even be wrong.
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Yes that all makes sense but I have trouble pulling hotter girls so thatās why I picked PS. Will Primal help with that?
Subs i feel do only 20% of the work bro. So primal will definitely put the odds in your favour.
I have virtually zero experience of online dating. So i really cannot comment on how to increase your odds to shag the really hot ones online.
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Hmm ok thanks anyways
Thinking of dropping dairy from my diet again. I feel off and sluggish and it just seems like recently Im not been as fit as normal. Only real major change was adding large amounts of dairy to my diet. Iāll have to supplement with calcium pills and also calories will be a problem. Dairy has a ton
So finished my Primal trial today. I realize a week isnāt enough time to judge the program but given the months Iāve spent on these subs I think the overall trend is clear.
Debating between trying PS for a week next or discontinuing. My best results came during a week long washout, that kind of says it all tbh.
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K Iām going to continue my primal solo starting Monday. Same as last week: 4 days (monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday) and see.
It feels like results are on the cusp but it also simultaneously feels like my results thus far are as good as it gets. Another week will solidify it for me.
I just donāt feel very empowered in these subs, lots of limiting thoughts and defeatist and some downright fatalistic. Also some realizations about reality that are not pleasant at all and Iād be happier and more motivated not knowing.
I know the case has been made in the past that subs stir up beliefs you have deep in your mind and that may be true, but I had results before this so again that doesnāt make any sense. How can you be full of limiting beliefs and still get results and then destroy (supposedly) those limiting beliefs and get no results?
On the other hand, Iāve also been slowly taking more necessary action like exercising even when I havenāt had time to go to the gym using my dumbell at home.
But on yet another hand (yes these subs have given me another hand 
) it just feels stale and flat. Thereās bo spark between my interactions with women like there used to be, Iām getting into arguments with them or calling them out on shit instead of seducing (pics below) and what does that accomplish? Nothing! So why do it? Itās like Iām trying to be all macho but macho doesnāt work for me so itās a useless thing to do.
I donāt know. Weāll see how this week goes.
Because working through these limiting beliefs is not an entirely unconscious process as it often manifests in dreams or āworse-than-baseline resultsā or other reconciliation symptoms consciously. For example, when you imagine that the subs makes you question why you only attract 5s and 6s because you deserve much better, it seems natural that you begin to behave towards 5s and 6s differently, maybe even weird, for a period of time until you worked through that, right? As I mentioned above this is only temporary and decided on by your own mind. There are many ways to help that process, for example journaling about those inner beliefs and feelings that come up, taking longer washouts, switching to a lesser dense sub (like you did) and just continuing taking action (including not switching titles). After going through that process, you should not only see your vibe coming back but it will also set the foundation for you being better at attracting higher quality girls. Or maybe you will have developed a new vibe which is more suitable for 7s and 8s (and simultaneously 5s and 6s if you so desire). The possibilities are endless.
Was this clearer?
No, you misunderstand. What Iām wondering is: IF I have such limiting beliefs, how did I get results before?
Itās not like Iāve never had a 7 or 8 before. They are just rare. But I have and it wasnāt all that different than a 5-6. Just normally I attract the 5-6 but my game is the same.
I donāt really buy that, as I said, if I had such limiting beliefs, I ewould never have gotten any success whatsoever in the past. And this is suspiciously like āyouāre to blame for anything that goes wrong, while the sub is to praise for anything that goes rightā Not a position I endorse or respect.
Damn now Iām thinking I should use Primal Seduction once again. I keep reading the sales page and it sounds like exactly what I want more or less. Since Primal is in it, it just makes sense no? Damn why am I so indecisive about this? Iāll sleep on it
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You did get results but limited ones, otherwise you would not be here looking to āattract higher quality girlsā, right?
Pretty much every limitation starts in the mind.
What are you trying to say here now?
You donāt need to change to attract higher quality girls? This is a limiting belief.
Primal / Primal Seduction is intended to work on your inner game. If you are just looking for manifestation of higher quality girls only, get an Ultima custom focused on that.
I totally get you on that when you want to objectively measure the subliminal. However, endorsing such beliefs for the period you are using the subs would actually help you see better results in the first place.
This here is concerning too. The question pre-supposes you have a problem with women and creates an inception that you do. This could be why my results end when I use the subs.
A better question would be āhow come women are so attracted to you? What makes you better than other men for the women you desire?ā you see the difference in pre-suppositions? One comes from a pre-existing problem the other comes from a pre-existing solution. Not to mention that the one quoted above CREATES a problem. It literally tells the user they have difficulty seducing women. Not empowering at all.
Yes but now that these so called limiting beliefs are being eradicated my results with women stop cold? How does that make any sense?
SaintSovereign said these subs donāt change who you are. So what are YOU saying?
What IāM saying is I donāt need to change into something Iām not, rather, I need to become MORE me. I already have a natural ability to seduce women (obvious by my success before) the key is to DOUBLE DOWN on what works, not try to re-invent the wheel.
Thatās not to say an ultima is a solution either, because as you pointed out: Iād just get more of my current level. But I need to go deeper into my vibe, not try to change into something different. I donāt think you understand the subtle difference.
No idea what you mean by this.
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Sales Pages the first rule of marketing is to sell someone a dream. Not clear how long you have been using primal perhaps use it for a whole month see how it goes for you. If your not seeing an increase in your dating/laid responses switch to PS. Like I said before I feel that primal is the one that best suits you but you know better.
Sarge are you living in a city or a town ?. Big cities with a higher population means you will be exposed to more women which in turn equates to a more active dating life. My dating life was very active when living in the big cities like London. Then i later switched to a town in balkans where the population was small dating was difficult there. Later I moved to another country another city where i was exposed to more beautiful women. Which made my dating life easier again.
I donāt know how it is in the USA as I only there for a short period. In europe even though i am descent looking guy. I am more attractive to hot women in certain countries in scandanavia and slovakia then some countries in west europe.
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Glad to hear that my country Slovakia has hot women :).
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My guess is the subs are very much written like this- Presupposing success. If you listen to the libertine supercharger, guided meditation, (included with libertine ultima)ā¦ the lady says audible things very much in accord with these afformations.
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Ok well I was quoting Saint so what do I knowā¦
@RockyHandsome i live in a big city, over a million people
Just so long as they donāt mislead you Iām cool with that, but if they do thereās no guarantee they telling the truth about anything at that point