Have you tried using different condoms? I say this because some of them have certain properties/additives to make you last longer and in my experience, they did to me what you said in that quote.
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Shit I didn’t know. But these are the same kind I used with my ex and never had a problem before
I think it’s a combination of not being particularly attracted to her and not having eaten yet. Although it’s strange because some days extreme hunger amplifies my boners
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Went shopping for my frozen squid rings. 3 different stores and none anywhere to be found. I swear as soon as I find a golden nugget of a food, the stores take them off the shelves. This has happened consistently to me.
As an aside: hot girls are everywhere but my head is telling me that even if I got a girl like that interested in me, my damn dick wouldn’t work just like today. Hoping paragon fixes the physical (if any) and hoping PS fixes all the psychological stuff
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Are you using Paragon for any other health issues? If not use Diamond Ultima. That will fix the ED.
Yes I’m hoping paragon can help with my food allergies and help heal my scars from when I had my appendix removed in February
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This is probably reconciliation, but I appreciate your approach to making sure you’re being healthy. Might wanna cut back on the loops a bit, or take a few rest days.
Back in my bachelor / hedonism days, I noticed this too. I came to two conclusions: one, if I were sleeping with a lot of younger women, the copulins from those encounters tended to run women off, almost as if they were doing it subconsciously. Two, depending on the time of the month, I had better success with bedding multiple women. Take a look at your calendar, see if the latter applies. When they’re ovulating, I had much more success than when they weren’t.
If he wants to watch porn, let him watch porn. I do not consume porn at all, but that’s because I became horribly addicted to it (back in like, 2013). I was also going through an incredibly rough period in my life, and I had cut myself off to the world. I replaced actual human interaction with porn. For those reasons, I have wiped it out of my life. I’d still advise avoiding porn, but if it’s not something you wish to do, then don’t.
It’s not a good result, but it’s a result. Here’s the thing – we create our subs much differently than other producers. Rather than trying to force a result, we gently challenge your subconscious through various techniques. In the most simplified example, if I ask you, “how do you constantly manage to meet and sleep with these Instagram model tier women,” you will probably respond with a logical answer of “I don’t.”
What if I asked, “why aren’t you able to constantly meet and sleep with Instagram model tier women?”
Much different response. So, what if I followed up with, “well, how do you plan on overcoming these issues?” Again, different response. Now you’re being led toward the path of success, not by force, but through a real dialogue with yourself. So, you have to ask yourself, why would a subliminal that’s written in this way cause a reverse reaction of pushing women away?
I’m not blaming you at all, because I believe this is a legitimate “result” that you’re observing. It just makes me wonder if you have a deeper issue with women that’s causing this to occur when you run a subliminal. Think about it – when you’re going solo (with no subs), you seem to do okay. But, as soon as you begin to run a title to accelerate your results, things tend to go this way. Is it the fact that the subliminal’s attempt to accelerate your results triggers something deep within (that maybe you don’t even want to face), causing these reactions?
Again, it’s not blame. It’s just something to consider. After my life fell apart that time, I had no desire whatsoever to meet women because I didn’t trust them after what happened. Thing is, at the time, I had no idea that this deep seated disdain existed. It was only after I began to truly delve into my psyche that I realized what was happening. I had a lot of really good, honest women try to date me and I’d just push them away somehow. Once I began to recognize what was going on, I was able to counteract this and was ready to date again.
Looking at your history here and elsewhere, I actually realized something about you – and perhaps I’m wrong, but here’s my assessment. I think we’re similar in a way, in that we both have the ability to see beyond “conventional knowledge,” platitudes and even the knowledge that’s being passed around as “red pill,” and we see these things so uniquely that it’s hard to actually explain it to people. This is an issue I’ve encountered at EVERY job I’ve ever had. When I had a manager that would just stand back and let me do my thing, I’d pull off some amazing stuff. When I had one that would micromanage, I’d end up getting fired because it was hard to convince them of anything. I think you also see things differently, but everyone jumps on you so fast that you get frustrated, and you’re still having issues articulating things.
I remember when you were once posting something about getting better results when you “hated people,” or something like that. And everyone was jumping on you, but what I perceived is that you were putting yourself in a persistent state of mind where you’d end up consciously changing your energetic aura (and body language) to that of someone with higher value. All people were seeing was that you “hated” someone and jumped on you, when there might actually be some truth to what you were perceiving.
I say this not to critique you, but to challenge a few notions. Perhaps, instead of starting with the seduction stack, you should’ve considered something like Mind’s Eye (to develop visualization skills) and Limitless (to develop your ability to mentally conceptualize and articulate ideas). That way, when it’s time to sit down and evaluate these results, things are much clearer.
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Thank you @SaintSovereign for taking the time to delve into these issues with me. I have a few thoughts thanks to your insight:
I’ve only been doing 1 loop a day. Are you saying I do less than that? Maybe I should take the week off and start again next monday as I was thinking.
This is amazing info, thank you. What can I do to keep from driving women off if it’s the copulins? Just checked my health app, mostly the sex I’ve had in the last few months has happened within the last half of the month. Not sure if that’s significant.
Thanks. I get it, it’s all the rage for most forum peeps. I just see it as my vice. I don’t drink, smoke, or do drugs. I watch porn. Oh well.
I do have a deeper issue with women and it’s one I think I am aware enough about to have it work for me. I pretty much owned who I am, flaws and all, and this is what got me results. I wonder if the subliminal is attempting to change me rather than help me be the best version of me.
Shit yes! This is exactly what I’m talking about or rather, you nailed it on the head. I do see things on a wider, almost timeless “meta” framework. The old adage “there’s more than one way to skin a cat” applies but so does a lot of things. Where to begin?
It’s definitely true I need to be free to make my own choices. I thrive on being myself, even if that means I do something the same as someone else, if I came up with the idea, it has more merit to me, and it “feels” better and seems to work more effectively. I think you probably were around when I mentioned how the only way I can get sales is to be genuine. Funny thing is I still follow a strict script and framework but it’s all a script and framework that I developed using what I know.
Same with my success with women: I used what I knew to work and through a lot of trial and error, developed a “genuine” way that works for me. I do theorize that the more close to my central self I am without apology, the better my results with women will become. This is kind of what I hope to accomplish. Not learning how to seduce women so much as freeing myself to seduce the way I do more effectively if that makes sense.
I do feel like PS is more of a road with guardrails. I think I need an offroad vehical, not a road. I hope that analogy makes sense.
No disrespect, these subs are amazing, but again, there is more than one way to skin a cat and seduction skills don’t have to be technical so much as energetic, at least in my experience. If you have a sub that will make me the offroad vehical I’ll definitely try that. Let me drive wherever I want. I don’t do well following the beaten path.
It’s funny I’ve been thinking about that recently too. I remember it very well so I know exactly what you’re referring too. The “hate energy” I call it. Over the years, I seem to have lost it or maybe I just got tired being hateful all the time. Your theory is sound I think. Definitely a means to place one at a higher value. I have said this before and I’ll say it again: I have never gotten such powerful signs of full attraction with women as I have when I was in my most hateful and “dark side” mode. Which seems silly to me because I was a virgin back then and never had sex, but even now having sex with women, they don’t treat me the way those girls did back then. They don’t treat me bad, but they don’t treat me like a rockstar either. Back then whenever I got into that state I felt like those women were at my personal disposal.
But then, I never slept with them. So there’s obviously a disconnect and I have made progress, but sometimes I wonder if all I needed was to know how to be direct like I am nowadays with that same energy. Anyhow, I’m rambling, but you make such good insights it stirs up my theories. Thank you.
I’m not sure what the benefit of those programs would be. I’m happy to help you develop the PS program if that’s why you need my thoughts to be clearer. But right now I’m trying to focus on what would accomplish my result rather than how better to explain my thoughts.
I’m happy to try and be more clear if that’s what you need. And I’m happy to buy programs and see what works and what doesn’t without refunds if they don’t work. I think you know I’m all about the journey and the results. Money is easy enough to make thankfully.
But back to this last bit you posted, have I understood you? Are you suggesting I use those programs to put my theories into more understandable “bits” for you and others? Or are you suggesting using those [programs would help me understand my deep rooted issues more clearly?
I do have a last question: Is it not possible to build a sub that gets results outside the “mainstream” accepted seduction tactics? I feel like on PS it is trying to train me to use pua but I know there are other, perfectly legal, ways to achieve the result. Is the goal of the program to make me a pua or to get the result I want? I’m not saying your sub is about pua, it’s just the best term I could find. Another could be “seducer”. One can sleep with women without being a seducer, for example. I see that in every regular dude walking next to a hot girl when I go out of the house.
Just some thoughts. Thank you for your insight, it’s very appreciated and gave me a lot to bounce ideas off of.
Edit: all that said, it may very well be that the seduction skills that will take my game to the next level are not (or don’t feel like they are) genuine and this causes me to reject those aspects. That’s another theory
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Currently thinking I take the rest of the week off subs and re-assess for next monday. May get another sub but we’ll see. Likely I’ll just downgrade myself to Paragon and Executive and drop PS. If PS is doing what I suspect it’s doing, it’s not aiding my goals.
Ok. Decided to take a break from these subs till next Monday then possibly start a new stack more aligned with me.
Currently thinking Heartsong with some other subs like godlike masculinity and wanted or libertine.
The only thing that has me reserved with heartsong is it sounds like a very monogamous focused sub. Not my thing. Seems all these subs have one or two things keeping me from being onboard 100%
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Saint himself said Heartsong is both for monogamy and Casual.
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Ok that’s a relief. The sales page uses the singular “partner” word over and over
Read the replies of Saint in Heartsong Product thread. 
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This sold it for me. Buying now.
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The freedom to stack (which I believe is very unique to Sub Club) allows us to keep experimenting like a scientist in a lab till we land on want we want.
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True. I’ve even considered getting a custom to remove the more mainstream elements in otherwise interesting programs
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Dope. I’d love to hear if Saint has any suggestions for you.
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I just told ya’ll to cut it out. Next time, there’s going to be warnings and bannings. If he (or anyone else) doesn’t want your advice, back off. Respect people’s journeys. Deleting the comments.
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You can post on yours if you want, but not to attack other members because they’ve asked you not to bother them.
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Thank you Saint for setting things straight.
In other news, reading up on programs today for what I might want for next stack. I’ll be starting a new journal for the new stack. This one is already over 300 posts! So to make it easier on anyone following my journey, I’ll separate my stacks into different journals.
Currently thinking Primal might be better for me than PS simply because Primal sounds more self driven than guided. I may be wrong but PS gives me the feeling of driving on a road with guardrails up. Not my thing when it comes to my life. In real life I have a honda civic and as far from an off-roader as you can get but I’m trying to make a metaphor for my character which is free-spirited.
I’m also thinking godlike masculinity. It doesn’t appear to be in Primal. Of course, I still want to be using Executive too. And have thought Libertine and Wanted may be good for me as well. Of course, I still want to keep using Paragon for my healing. Too many to choose from.
Ideally I want a stack that can put me at my best. That means consistently hitting the sales performance I’ve had in the past, consistently attracting the HOT girls like I used to, but also having sex with them this time, non-monogamous of course but more than meaningless sex. I like my connections but I have a big heart, and can’t do monogamy. The “FORSAKE all others” has too much forsaking in it for my tastes. And physical healing and growth to both heal my wounds and help me keep up with the sexual demand I’m sure there will be if it hits the ideal I have in my mind.
So, not sure what subs that will end up being but I’ll keep reading and thinking on it.
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Hmm. I thought PS might help the subtle cues from women become more pronounced… (from the “S” of PS - sex & seduction). If remember correctly, that was something you were after… But maybe “S” components are too based on an active-seducing model versus the passive being chased model (which is more aligned with in Wanted). I wonder in Sex Mastery X has the cue-reading that could be helpful and Primal…. (I think Primal some some Sex Mastery X in it- don’t know how much). So Primal + Sex Mastery X would be a different “PS.”
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