Just got back from the gym. Nothing to report there. Counting the days till I fulfill my commitment and can put these subs behind me.
If this is the way you feel, that’s fine. Our approach won’t work for everyone. I’ve given you a lot of leeway to explore yourself and the products, I’ve even tried to make sure people don’t attack you for your experiences, good or bad. That’s why I have to draw the line at your two assumptions. If I was trying to guide you on how I think reality works, I wouldn’t have fought so hard to make sure no one attacks you or try to interfere with your journey. Our products are an expression what this business aims to achieve – helping people attain self-actualization and understanding who they really are.
So, I’ll say this and whether or not you choose to accept it is up to you, but the fact of the matter is, they’re true:
I warned you when you first came that a number of our titles had healing scripts in them and I even told you which ones to avoid, because I remember that you responded badly to the other producer’s subs and determined it was the healing. One of your quotes was something along the lines of, "it just leaves me mired in the past and I feel like I lost all my results.
Brother – your current stack is FULL of healing, rofl. You’re running HEARTSONG, which is designed to manifest your perfect partner(s) or to attract the woman of your dreams. There’s A LOT of healing in it. And even more, you’re running PARAGON, which heals everything, including emotions. On a scale of 1-10 with healing, you’re at a 7. I’d say this is the equivalent of someone soloing Dragon Reborn, which by far, is the most intense healing subliminal we have. I (think, perhaps I’m wrong) advised you NOT to run Heartsong because of this, and I definitely wouldn’t have recommended Paragon for your purpose. These are both very introspective titles with healing. You want external results. Don’t blame us for a bad stack. That being said, I’m not contradicting what you’re experiencing, only pointing out that you’re using the wrong tools for your goal. You want women and you don’t want to deal with healing? Should’ve stuck with Libertine, Diamond and Primal Seduction: Iron Throne, since the healing in those are very light (non-existent in PS:IT’s case).
The scripts aren’t built on any “premise.” I wish I could show you all how we script our subs, and you’d see for yourself because it’s hard to explain, but these are not your standard “affirmations.” There’s nothing in there to influence you in any way other than what YOU really want. There’s nothing here to “bring you back to Earth.” In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Our titles are designed to send you into ubermensch status. Look at StarkQ, Emperor, Khan, etc. These are all meant to make you a paragon of what it means to be a human. But again, you’re running Heartsong and Paragon, two titles with a propensity to “humble” you a bit due to their nature. Paragon fills you with positive energy to heal physical issues (and some emotional healing). It will humble you, because that positive energy makes you acutely aware that you are a small, but important aspect of the universe. That you are not a separate entity in the universe, you are part OF the universe. Any sub with healing energy will make you feel this way. With these two subs, your subconscious is pointed INWARD, and the external results you’d get will be related to that. Again, if you want women, stick with pure seduction titles and leave these alone until you’re ready for that.
Nope, this is wrong. The subs aren’t manifesting anything. They’re just a set of scripting with ideas. If I say, go manifest the hottest woman you find, and you manifest a “training wheels” person, that’s on you, not the subs. There’s nothing in any of our subs that manifests someone that’s considered a “training wheels” person. Not an ounce of scripting that suggests it. Not an ounce of scripting that implies it. All we say is to manifest the people you find attractive. If you’re manifesting “training wheels” people, that means that some part of your subconscious doesn’t think you’re ready for the women you want. Again, nothing to do with the subs. It’s easy to blame them, but once you really sit down and ask yourself why you don’t feel adequate enough to get the women you want, you’ll get what you want.
But I can attest to you and anyone else who wants to question this: There is NO training wheels script in ANY title. If anything, our scripting does the exact opposite – it’s balls to the wall, foot on the gas acceleration toward your life’s goals. If you’re running the sub too much and you’re not ready for that, you get R E C O N C I L I A T I O N and situations like this. Believe me, don’t believe me, that’s up to you. I spent 5 years engaging in deep mental alchemy and purged myself of a lot of these issues, hence how we managed to become millionaires in a pandemic.
But what do we know? 
@RVconsultant and @DarkPhilosopher, please monitor this thread. Other members, I know sometimes you feel inclined to protect SubClub and the forum and we appreciate that, but please don’t brigade the thread with well-intentioned, but ultimately harmful rhetoric.
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Understood.
@SargeMaximus would you please take some time to think about what you would truly want?
Whatever it is, I’m open to helping you find a way to best help you do so in a way as easy and safe as possible.
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Does the core heartsong on the Q store have the healing in it?
How can I do this too also can you guy make a module for this or will dragon reborn do this?
@SaintSovereign
This is news to me. If I forgot about your warning, that’s my mistake. However, to be fair, I chose to use Heartsong based on the product description. I certainly didn’t read that in the description (and I just read it again just now to be sure. No mention of healing). I do appreciate you advocating for me and telling people not to harass me but, shouldn’t that be the standard for all members in a forum? Not trying to be ornery, just assertive here.
Also, I’m using Primal which I also didn’t know had healing, and I haven’t used Paragon for weeks. So. Those are the facts.
I had reasons for not using PS:IT but I can’t remember what they were. And as for Libertine, you yourself said the program doesn’t work as good when one watches porn and I watch porn and edge regularly so it makes no sense to use a program that will not work with my lifestyle, as you yourself are saying.
Ok well, again, I was only making a theory based on what I was experiencing. I’ll take your word for it as I trust you and you’ve been a good friend over the years especially back in the dark ages in that other place. 
As I said, I haven’t been using Paragon for weeks, so the only one left is Heartsong and maybe I’m deep down a guy who can’t get women, I don’t know, but all I do know is since starting these subs my results have been on a steady decline and I do feel like I am manifesting girls that are not compatible with my proven style of seduction. Now if my theory as to WHY that is, is also a false assumption, I can accept that. But the result is what it is.
I’ve heard this before from another producer.
And this seems like you are suggesting healing now so I’m confused.
I would like to get benefit from these subs and am open to trying whatever may get me to that next level, which is what brought me here in the first place.
I came here to get hotter girls and develop my seduction style (which works quite well for me) to a higher potency. As in, if you have a headache and regular advil doesn’t do it, you take the extra strength. I hoped these subs would be the extra strength.
I know exactly what I want and why I’m using the programs I am currently:
Primal: Using this because when on PS, I (me, myself, and I) was manifesting training wheel girls instead of girls who I was able to seduce and sleep with. I also wanted a masculine edge which I’ve long been without that I remember having in the early days of pick up and sales development back in 2013-15. I thought Primal might help me with the masculinity as well as be open to interpretation enough that I didn’t feel guided (which I did whether it’s in there or not) to be a pua, which I have proven to myself many million times over does NOT work for ME.
Heartsong: What can I say? I love the write up. Checks all my boxes. Nothing in there said anything about healing, and everything sounds EXACTLY like what I want. I want to have a few primary girls with fwb’s on the side. I’ve wanted this since I first wrote down what I wanted in 2012. It’s never changed over the years.
So yeah, I know exactly what I want.
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This has been one of my favorite threads to read. It really gives me hope for this community and society as a whole. It’s awesome to see misunderstandings and disagreements ironed out in a class act way. We need to highlight more of this.
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Agreed. I’m glad everyone here for the most part has a cool head and doesn’t take results posting or theories as a personal insult.
In other news, I am thinking a lot about these subs and my stack today thanks to Sovereign’s insight. Mostly I think the issue of this being a healing conundrum is most likely. However, I do think something like Libertine would be good for my stack if only the porn I enjoy didn’t mess with it. Much of my seduction style has a lot to do with drawing the girl in with my energy.
Which reminds me, I forget who it was on this forum but someone suggested I write down an affirmation that I was having sex with porn stars near the time I first joined. Well that obviously didn’t happen just like I knew it wouldn’t. So, for the record.
Anyhow, not sure what I’m getting at just rambling, trying to put my thoughts into focus.
I’ve become much less aggressive and more choosy with my online interactions with women. Unfortunately, as mentioned, this has returned me to incel status. I feel exactly how I felt when I first began pick up years ago and was a virgin.
So, something is missing I believe, or maybe the stack I have is just allowing an unhelpful and unsexy part of myself to run wild. I’m not sure.
Lately I been thinking about shit tests and how maybe that’s where I keep messing up, but I can’t even have a conversation with a woman to even get to that point. As I mentioned before, I don’t enjoy conversations, especially with women, as I don’t want to talk to them. I like talking to them after sex, not before. I don’t know why. But I don’t think it’s some deep seated enigma, I think it just comes down to how I’m wired. I do everything with a goal or purpose in mind, and idle chit chat isn’t something I do, in fact, when random people chat me up, I get annoyed and want them to go away. Thankfully, over the years I’ve developed an energy that keeps people from doing that as often as it used to.
A double edged sword perhaps, but I prefer to only allow people in I have already had an interest in, not people who think we should talk. Like, no. Just go along your life, you couldn’t have a meaningful conversation with me that I would enjoy. That’s how I feel towards the random people I pass by. So when I see a girl I’m “interested” in, I’m not interested in talking with her.
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What do you think about test driving PS:IT and Libertine (along with The Executive)?
I mean I undertand Libertine works best if you are on NoFap but I think it will work well for you since you are sometimes only edging (and there is usually no loss of energy when doing so). Even if you ejaculated everytime, you seem to not have issues with your sexual energy and performance so I intuit that Libertine will work well for you.
And since Primal Seduction: Iron Throne has no healing, it could help you get to your results faster.
Reading the past few posts, I kinda feel that…
PSIT + Libertine + The Executive
OR
PSIT Ultima (which has Libertine in it) + The Executive
…will be perfect for your goals.
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Psit ultima has libertine in it? Would it be permanent if I used it for say 2-3 months?
I want programs that will build in the effects the more I use them and have lasting effects.
As mentioned, I believe I’m still getting benefits from Executive even though I haven’t used it in weeks
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Yes. It is mentioned in the PSITU sales page too.
Since you have excellent and long lasting results with The Executive, I suspect that PSITU will do the same for you. Ultimas are known to have lingering effects for a minimum of 4 days since the last time you played it so yes my theory is that PSITU will serve you well.
Hopefully @SaintSovereign or @Fire can confirm this.
Hmm,only ultima has been done before so would think so
Fire confirmed all ultimas are permanent anyway just not necessarily as wide in scope
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Ok cool, the only issue is the ultrasonic which may (but I’m not sure) be causing my low level tinnitus. I’d rather use a masked version only.
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The Executive also has Ultrasonic in it. It’s an Ultima too.
But if PSITU is an issue, PSIT would be good.
Yes I know. That’s why I haven’t used it in weeks.
As for PSIT, what about Libertine? No masked version?
PSIT has masked and is without Libertine.
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Sounds like I have a new sub to try, thanks. One more thing: is there another sub like Libertine that isn’t ultrasonic?
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Unfortunately not,the aura subs are only available in ultima.
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That is unfortunate indeed.
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Maybe running PSIT alone would be a good thing. You will be able to make out whether it is working and not some other title interfering with your results (as in wondering whether Executive is pushing your results etc). And also, when you get laid more often (from PSIT) it will improve your mood and hence affect your work life positively. Worth a short I think.
And worth a new journal?
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Yes I agree on all points.
I’ll finish my stack today (listening to my loops now) then take next week off as washout. Then start the following week. Thanks
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