What are the fundamental differences between these?
My take is that Primal is instinctual masculinity. It is strong and silent and “in the blood”. It is natural masculinity.
I would characterize Ascension as a masculinity that gets developed, defined, worked out and grown or built. In this it is not as natural as Primal. It gets built through self-discipline.
SaintSoverign mentioned that this guy nailed it-later in the thread
Now, I am simply guessing at this point, but here’s my point on primal and ascension.
First of all, I think that both Primal and Ascension covers a bit of the same, but they do in each their way. And here is what I think:
Ascension : Ascension is more an alpha subliminal. Don’t mistake Primal for this, just try to follow me. Now being an alpha usually does not mean that it is the one who gets laid all the time (it is my version of an alpha, yours may differ). But an alpha is someone who takes leading as the most natural thing to do in life. An alpha goes his own way and shapes his own future, life etc. An alpha simply does what makes sense to him. That also indicates that an alpha is someone of status, someone who knows and wants to become someone, not just another sheep in the herd, but the one that actually will take on the wolf and try to challenge it (i.e. life). Women wants to be around an alpha because he often showcases status and a future of a man able to rest in himself. She does not have to worry about him clinging to her because, she will have to hold on to him if she does not want to lose him.
That is also another reason to, why people will want to be around him, since there is a chance something good could get to them.
With Ascension covered, lets try to move on to Primal.
Again, I will point out that I do not know anything about the subs, I am simply guessing how they could compliment each other.
Primal : Being primal is quite another thing. It’s the same as being “wild”. The wild man. The wild man does not necessarily hang on to status. He simply does what he needs to do right here right now. He is dominant by nature, because that is what the primal man is. He does not have the need to repress his instincts. He is sexual, masculine and simply does not care what others think of him. In our society, the wild man does not really exist, because he has been tamed to fit into rules of the feminine society. However, every man has something wild inside them - it’s there to be unleashed, but 99,9% of men do not do that, because we are afraid of what others might think - that society will expel us.
In public women despise the primal man simply because he is too much. He is too dominant, too sexual, his raw energy simply blasts them away. But subconsciously, women wants the primal man in bed. Because of his nature, because he wants to show that he is wild - that no one will get to decide his fate or future.
How do they compliment each other then? Simple, each has their own strength,
While being alpha could imply a person knowing how to get things done and also be quite masculine, there is a chance he does not have his primal side unleashed yet. The primal side of life has often been thrown so far away, since our society dictates that.
A primal man does not fear anything and is a dominant person by nature, but that does not mean he is the alpha. Becoming an alpha simply because you are dominant does not guarantee that. Already well trained and alphas by nature will always find the smart way to play this person, making the dominant mans strenght their asset.
By combining both, you get the best of both worlds. You get to enhance your alpha power and unleash your primal side of life. Being on top of both is simply, the ultimate male. Add in some financial control and muscle, and you will become unstoppable.
OMG -yes!
just stick the pages together and run it through the Q machine 
right?
Primal looks like a person who is very well in touch with his own inner-nature, while Ascension builds inner strength day by day, which gets reflected to the outside world. So Primal works differently, it’s more like getting in touch with your own inner-nature, exponentially grown day by day.
Also each goals are different, Primal is solely focused on Sex, Romance & Seduction, Personal Charisma & Natural Self Development. While Ascension has a more broad focus; Wealth, Success, Romance, Sex, Personal Development.
Haven’t tried Primal, just my insights when I look at it.
That’s a good idea, 
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do you have any interest in running Primal in the near future?
I’m not seeing that future right now, but who knows the future is always foggy.
@SaintSovereign any chances on a Primal Daredevil, perhaps even a Primal Daredevil Ascension, creating the ultimate shape-shifting chameleon, always relaxed with many different disguises. Someone who can totally bend any situation according to his will. A mysterious Archetype, unbelievably lucky in life, always able to choose between many opportunities, someone with so much belief in himself that he can achieve or create the impossible every second of the day.
Okay that escalated quickly… can you see what I’m seeing here? Instilling into him all 7 of the Universal Laws depicted in The Kybalion. Being conscious of these Laws, taking complete and utter control over his internal and reflecting that to the external, as within so without. Some kind of Magician Archetype, able to morph into anything.
I would love that!
@Fire, any chances this title might become a possibility in the future? Something that is very focused on completely altering your inner-landscape, as a consequence having total control over your outer-reality.
A Magician Archetype?
This is actually Khan. 
I created a full thread for this concept.
I proposed it somewhere on the board but I’d like to see an full alpha title that would be built to embody the man who lives to seduce and make love to women; The ultimate seducer, the man who women are incapable of resisting. The Rogue who lives for fully exploring his fascination, love and lust for the feminine.
I could see this built on the foundation of Primal Seduction, but fleshing out and optimizing the sexual, alpha and social qualities necessary to be this man.
Some models might be Errol Flynn, Lord Byron, Casanova, Wilt Chamberlain, Jack Nicholsen, Serge Gainsbourg, Steve McQueen, Hugh Hefner, Duc de Richelieu.
One might also think of pick-up artists like Mystery or Tyler from Real Social Dynamics.
You can probably think of your own favorite examples.
Robert Greene’s “The Art of Seduction” gives context.
It is not. There differences are actually quite pronounced
I know this has been a while but I’m curious about Khan, Emperor and Stark. What makes Khan different in this context, in your opinion?
God there’s this super sexy feeling from Khan
like I just ooze raw sexuality
Power
Stark makes me magnetic charismatic, like some big executive
Emperor makes me like some stoic af commander, a lot of power but in a very cold and distant way
raw power
Khan is more like, sexual power, and feels like I am capable of being very ruthless and dominant. Also It’s based off of primal, while Emperor is based off of ascension if I understand right. well I just gave ascension a little try, it’s interesting but feels like you give a fuck about your status on this one, feels kinda… streamlined (idk if I’m making sense, I mean it’s my unconscious stuff I’m just spewing out as best as I can) - where as khan (which I guess is similar to primal in this but I didn’t listen to primal) it’s like IDGAF about anything if I dont want to I dont need to feel better than you cuz I’m unique af and I just make my own rules
Hmmm it’s hard to explain and idk how accurate this is - but it’s what I felt
Hope it’s useful
Stark is very diff I feel… it probably has a. lot of emperor in it (this is what I heard) but comes across very differently in most cases (I guess unless required that you assert your power and dominance where things change)
Can def feel that on Khan…and im only on stage 1😊
What a post. Thanks mate, very helpful. Congrats on the results
You’re very welcome and thank you!
I must add emperor is also that IDGAF vibe even more than on Khan but… still has that feeling of… status - your status is so fucking high - and you also dont give a shit you just do your own thing
you’re the master of your domain and dont have time for anything else- your life your rules
khan gives me this feeling of - ok go dominate ppl for fun let them fuck with you, fuck them up - whereas Emperor is like can’t be bothered, Khan is like you wanna play motherfucker, I’ll play and beat you at your own game if you fuck with me
With regards to women also Emperor has this very mysterious vibe, and status and power, that attracts - Khan… I guess has those + a lot of raw sexuality, and a lot less of the mysterious vibe -
I do like Emperor in so many ways 
But gotta make a choice sometimes. And I think if I listen to Khan long enough it becomes more and more like the results Emperor gave me in this regard. I think it just takes a lot longer to build it up to that level with regards to your power and status (esp now it’s in custom with IAM which is constantly kinda pushing me out of comfort zone nudging me in not so subtle way, but I think eventually I will become who I want and it’ll get easier to feel powerful constantly without I AM affecting it in less than positive ways - this interesting module… I think it can work for you or against you short term while long run it’s always good of course)
Again just free-flowing here, havent written it down nd think about how to express it in the best way - just expressing it as it comes up - It’s hard to capture every aspect of one’s experience but I do hope it helps one in making decisions. I hope more share their experiences and let us know.
Khan definitely feels like the strongest and most comprehensive for sure. Emperor is extremely strong actually and works a lot faster than Khan, I love so many things about it. But yah doesn’t go so well with other programs like Khan in a stack I’v found so I’mma stick with khan if I gotta make a choice personally - Khan + Stark is pretty good.
What Stage of Khan are you listening to?
The Objectives for Khan are Women & Sex, Status, Personal Growth & Status, and lastly Business. As for Emperor, it is more like Business & Personal Growth, Status, Women & Sex. With Khan leaning more towards Social Behavior and Emperor more to extreme Dedication, Discipline, and Drive to accomplish Business related goals.
With each of those Objectives listed with respect to the priority of each Title.