Lol, I thought you are Saiyan4Blue
It looks like I can tolerate well Ascension and this sub gives me energy to counter the exposure effects, so this might be a better solution.
Actually I think the best solution is to keep running only Ascension, until the recon effects of Love Bomb disappear, and then readd the Love Bomb to the stack reducing the loop length from 10s to 5s, because it’s preferable to have a consistent stack for the listening days.
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what subs did you run previously and for how long?
I started with Ascension (my first cycle) and it seemed the best loop length to be 1m30s.
Then I added Love Bomb to the stack (second cycle) with 30s loops + 1m of Ascension and it lead me to overexposure.
After a washout of 1.5 weeks, I run 10s of Love Bomb + 1m of Ascension, and after one day everything was still fine, but after 2 days (today) I woke up with recon again.
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Interesting…
How about you try Ascension solo for 2 more cycles and then test LB again?
Also considering the length of your loops, it really does seem like this tiredness is just a form of recon for you. And combo of Ascension and LB hits you extremely hard because your beliefs are quite far from the objectives of the subs, what do you think?
If no one else says anything else, I would just use Ascension until the recon disappears and then add LB with 5 seconds loops.
I think is not just tiredness because in the last cycle this was extreme fatigue and one day I couldn’t even go to the gym, nor do my daily tasks. For about 2 weeks I have been sleeping in the afternoon during the last cycle + during the washout period.
I’m defining overexposure as a more intense form of recon, as defined here: Recon vs Overexposure - #6 by Malkuth
Yes, I agree that my beliefs and experiences are very different than the ones from LB (not from Ascension), and that’s why it hits me so hard.
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sounds good to me
Well, probably you should build better foundation and come back to LB later
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Have you considered this sub is maybe just not good for you at the moment?
I mean, if it makes you feel that bad I don’t see why you would keep listening to it.
There’s so many other subs you could get that are maybe more aligned with you and could benefit you much better.
Just a different opinion take it as you want.
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I experience something similar with Phoenix. I started with 15s and initially felt super tired and exhausted for about half a day. After that, the exhaustion subsided and I started to I feel tension in my head and struggled to sleep for two days. Despite this, I felt mentally good overall.
Then I switched to 5 to 3 second loops, and I’ve been super tired since. The positive side is that I can sleep now, but I feel a bit mentally empty. Personally, I believe the tiredness and exhaustion are due to the subconscious trying to integrate the subliminal input, which can consume a lot of energy, especially if your beliefs are not aligned with the sub.
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How can I build a better foundation in your opinion?
Because when I used Ascension alone I felt I was becoming powerful, but it was a dark power, and we don’t want that. That’s a recipe for disaster, and the greatest power is the Power of Love, and that power I can only get if I heal.
If I’m going to consider changing sub for healing and love, I don’t see other subs similar to Love Bomb, but I’m all ears.
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There is nothing in Ascension to cause this. If that is what you are truly getting, time to take a deeper look at who you are, your relationship with power, your history with it and associated beliefs.
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Another thing I’m noticing is that I’m not being able to forgive others and put everything behind my back.
It was kind of happening when I was running 1m loops of Love Bomb, but as I started to washout I started to feel again a strong resentment.
Instead I want to have the difficult conversations, but when I suggested that I talked in a very hurt and aggressive way (I was already on the washout period), and I think it repelled that person even more.
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I think I know what you mean by dark power, I felt similar after running KB1 but power is power, it just seems dark and dangerous when we start to open to it because it was unused and left alone without our conscious guidance, it’s just like repressed energy/emotions that wakes up but once it’s stable it’s just more power for us to use in our life.
It sounds like you have a lot of anger to process and it makes you boil quickly and get aggressive, Sanguine could be a great help, also cold daily showers for sure will help and finding a sport like boxing that can help you express this energy without hurting other people.
I don’t really know you so I apologize if anything I say is just plain wrong.
Remember they have 30 day money back guarantee so you can test out a sub and see if it works for you or not.
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OK.
Another thing I saw was that if I stop using Ascension (end of cycles or during washouts) my power/strength levels go down.
Yes I think I have lots of anger to process. Actually when working out I grunt a lot as my way to “let it all out”, and many times I’m criticized for doing that, but it looks like people have finally accepted it. Boxing is cool, I’ve done it in the past, but I think going all out with the weight lifting bar and dumbbells is even more effective.
I just read the Sanguine description and this looks to be the healing I’m looking for, a “hands off” healing.
Sanguine: The Elixir was designed for a “hands off” approach. There isn’t much “action” to take, other than consciously accepting inner peace and allowing it to flow into your life.
I think Love Bomb already does this “hands off” healing, otherwise I don’t see which actions can you take to heal other than introspection and journaling.
Anyway I introspected myself and it didn’t lead me anywhere. For example “I don’t deserve a beautiful Woman”.
And by asking why, my beliefs don’t seem to make sense, but they don’t disappear.
Maybe I need a proper life coaching method to analyse and dissolve limiting beliefs, but isn’t that what the subs are supposed to do if I keep taking action by keep talking to beautiful Women?
Even though the emotional healing in this title is considered “light,” it can still be disruptive. Give yourself time and space to cope with negative emotions. Don’t push yourself too hard if negativity springs up.
This is also from Elixir, but as you can see it’s already happening with Love Bomb.
My negativity is mainly feeling sad for being alone, and tired most of the time.
I’m already not pushing myself too much at the gym when the pain starts being too much, so it looks like without reading any of this I’m already doing what I’m supposed to be doing, but just using another sub.
You didn’t say anything wrong, and even if you did, in the way you approach me it makes things much easier. 
Edit: the description is from “Sanguine: The Elixir”, not “Sanguine”
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You could try “The work” by Byron Katie. There’s a lot of free stuff online.
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I thank you because the more tools I can get the better.
But aren’t the subs supposed to do this by making questions to our subconscious, while we are doing other tasks?
Of course subs help greatly, but just as we ask for advice in the forum, working consciously on our challenges opens new pathways for the subs to work.
One way could be that you realize the cause of one of your problems and can guide the sub consciously to heal that specific point.
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As @Fire said, Ascension only enhances your alpha qualities, gives you more powerful and confident mindset, etc. - it doesn’t make you evil or anything.
Imo, you are just not used to it and don’t know how to control it, use it for good, etc - continue using Ascension. Would be great if you could stick with it for the whole year honestly
Use Ascension, journal, take action.
All of this might be the results of your deep traumas or something as well, which Ascension should tackle
Just keep running Ascension and talk to more women, improve yourself as a man and so forth. Some limiting beliefs are harder to tackle. Some are incredibly deep, others will easily dissolve.
You could try Sanguine but with what you’ve told me, running Ascension solo for a few more cycles seems like the best choice.
Try doing this:
- Run Ascension for 4 cycles total at least
- Try adding 10 sec for each time you listen, until you hit recon that is unmanagealbe.
- Once you did, reduce a bit until it’s manageable and stay at this listening duration
- Try adding more time once you start new listening cycle. If you can’t, it’s okay, no worries
- Take action and journal a lot, introspect your feelings and so forth
After 4 cycles, try to asses your current state and what needs more work and maybe choose a different subliminal, or keep running Ascension but try adding LB or Sanguine or other healing subs
Also, how’s your diet? How often you train?
That’s good. Journal more, maybe try meditation and do buteyko breathing as well since it helps. normalbreathing.com
I also don’t think Ascension makes me evil. OMG… 
What I’m saying is that due to big unprocessed trauma and bad life experiences, I fall quickly into negativity and get easily hurt/affected, and then I use my power for reprehending, punishing or fighting people instead of saying a joke for example that makes them laugh with me, or trying to work together on a solution, or just feeling unaffected/indifferent and ignoring it.
When I just used Ascension I was only falling into the punishing/fighting.
After using Love Bomb I can sometimes dance at the gym for example in front of everyone, I can comprehend better people and work together with them, not feeding my ego so much, but this comes at the cost of feeling my power/energy/aggressiveness lowering.
It doesn’t look like Ascension was tackling it.
When I increased the duration of the Ascension loops besides recon what I would also see would be bigger challenges that I’m not ready to overcome yet.
Let me use Ascension only for a while to washout Love Bomb, and after I feel Love Bomb is washed out, I’ll reevaluate and only take a decision then. I might try to run Love Bomb again just for 5 seconds, so that I don’t fall into negativity/fighting people.
What do you think?
I would say my diet is a good one. I don’t have a super professional diet where I count my calorie intake, nor where I only eat every day strictly what is planned on a piece of paper, because I’ve tried that and it seemed to be imprisoning me.
I have the meals structured (breakfast, lunch, middle afternoon snack, dinner), and I eat between them if I feel hungry. Between them I normally drink oat milk and eat mixture bread.
I order some meals every week from a lunchbox service, a quality one made for fitness. It has chicken, turkey, different fishes, vegetables, brown rice, whole pasta, etc. I put them on the freezer and defrost them on the night before eating them.
Unfortunately last week the service had a disruption and I don’t know when will it come back.
Some other meals I go and grab from a takeaway shop near by. Barbecue chicken, turkey, or steak with rice (I know I shouldn’t, but sometimes I eat fried chips).
I also cook some rice with tuna, eggs, beans, grains, and green peas. That is enough for about 3/4 meals.
I drink a cow milk shake with a banana for breakfast, or just some cow milk with chocolate.
For the middle afternoon snack, I just eat whatever I’m feeling I would like.
For dinner sometimes I just eat some eggs, or I open some tuna if I’m not hungry. If I’m hungry I eat a proper meal.
For snacks I have some cashew nuts (unsalted) and pistachios.
I’ve been forcing myself to eat fruit (pears and apples) after the meals, but it’s being hard for me. I also sometimes squeeze some orange juice, but I’m lazy to be always doing that and washing the squeezing machine 
, so I think I’ll just start eating the oranges.
At the end of the day I like to eat a square or 2 of dark chocolate, or eat a chocolate mousse.
BTW I just drank my first 2 raw eggs. They are organic eggs, but I’m not sure if they are pasture raised, so I sent an email to the manufacturer. It didn’t taste good, but I know it’s for the best.