On being an alpha

Questions and Comments
#164

I won’t press it too much, but there are correlates in real-life.

A cult, for example, (whether a religious cult or simply a personality cult) is often a group of people who are manipulated into supporting a particular person’s narrative of reality.

Manipulation. Negotiation. Agendas. Narratives. They’re pretty much part of the package. The best we can do is to try to understand them and use them intentionally, because they’re not going anywhere.

Also: Religious Scientism—the practice of approaching scientific narratives as if they’re legitimate sources of universal values, morals, and ways of life— is a fiction followed by many. In fact, the processes and outcomes of evolution, biology, and even physics always occur in interaction with specific contexts. While there may be underlying principles, they’re often so general (and powerful) as to be irrelevant to the choices we face in day-to-day life. Most of what we call ‘Natural Law’ is highly context-dependent. Change the context and the so-called Law changes as well.

The greatest works of fiction are the structures in which we live out our lives.

That’s not a problem. It’s actually quite beautiful. It is at odds though with the hubris and certitude in which we so often like to indulge.

So….there’s that.

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#165

I don’t see what that has to do with anything but I can tell you that real life is much different than Netflix.

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#166

Alpha itself as an organizing category is supposed to be derived from biological/evolutionary patterns that are observed in nature.

It’s supposed to be describing a kind of natural law or force that organizes the way that we are.

But those forces are actually not quite so definite as we’d like to believe. As such, when you apply the concept of Alpha itself, you’re already, to some degree, working with fiction. And this is true for most scientific theories and concepts. And that—it turns out—is okay.

A reasonable statement.

Though it also depends what you’re watching on there.

#167

This was a dope turn of phrase. :sunglasses:

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#168

:rofl::rofl:

#169

do you like dark souls ? :smile:

#170

a naked man drinking green juice and getting some sun exposure :sunny::sun_with_face::dark_sunglasses:

now thats what i call alpha :sunglasses::rofl:

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#171

There is so much baggage behind the word Alpha and it comes across differently to many people who often strongly believe that alpha is x rather than whatever you have to say. In my opinion If there is such a thing as an alpha, he or she would not describe themselves as alpha. Kinda like the whole cool guys don’t look at explosions.

Why so we have to put lables on these things? It makes it a lot more restricritive and then you have to go run limit destroyer to open your mind back up. It puts things that we strive for in boxes which then leads to judgemental behavior which cascades into hell of anxiety, depression, and misjudgements about an individual. Look at an individual as to who they are rather than what they are.

I may have this viewpoint because I can’t ever put myself in a box that I am this type because xyz. I always seem to find something about myself or someone else that completely goes against everything else in that category. I am a proud nerd that plays pokemon, badass that has backpacked across the rocky mountains, whisky and cocktail lover, world traveler, afraid of water but loves fire, loving husband, die hard sports fan, enjoy crime podcasts, History Buff, person that deals with anxiety, serial failure at being an entrepreneur on the side yet keeps trying. Valuable and successful employee but desires to be an entrepreneuer. Working on an escape vehicle. Sometimes i conquer fear sometimes it gets the best of me. How the hell can you put a title on all of that.

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#172

Once you’ve developed your masculinity to a certain level, you no longer care about labels in my experience. You just are who you are. Sure, others may label you, but you already have the mindset of not being swayed by the opinions that others have of you, positive or negative. You just are what you are without needing to say it, or without even being phased by praise or criticism. If you happen to be assertive, naturally dominant and authoritative then fine. Some men have these qualities but express them in a smooth and refined manner. Others are more "hot-headed’.

As for foundation building, well I think starting off with ascension can still make someone initially respond aggressively due to the surge of inner power being built up, unless the person building it is afraid to use their newfound sense of willpower. Over time yes, most will adjust and refine themselves naturally through the journey and lessons learned. I personally don’t believe starting out with ascension would make the journey any easier, depending on an individual’s starting point, but at least starting with a lighter program, can allow the person to subconsciously focus a bit better on building the foundational qualities a bit quicker and more smoothly than starting out with khan or emperor. Every major program in subclub’s catalog seems to contain material form beginner to advanced in order to help someone achieve the goals of the respective program.

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#173

I agree with the above but if you feel alpha and are comfortable in your own skin and don’t give a fvck what people think of you but you don’t have the external results… are you alpha or just delusional?

#174

In that scenario I would say that one may be dominant or strong, but not alpha. Alphas have the tangible results to back up their mental and emotional strength. One can be mentally and emotionally strong, but not actively improving their life. An alpha is at their peak (or working towards it), and seeks to go even beyond that. Constant and relentless improvement (ambition) is an alpha trait, no matter who possesses it. I honestly can’t sit there with a straight face and believe someone is alpha if they don’t have the tangible results to show for it, or at the very least is working on attaining and/or maintaining the life they want.

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#175

Can you be alpha will building your life back up?

#176

Years ago when I first began pua I approached the front desk girl at my gym. A solid 8/10. Anyhow I was straight with her and told her that I was currently working on paying back my debts and digging myself out of the hole I had dug for myself. I went for the number but she said she had a bf.

Anyhow the next time I arrived at the gym she RAN over to greet me and said a loud “HI!” I ignored her and she ended up quitting but I always thought maybe the fact that I was working on improving my life was a fact that helped swing her attraction towards me.

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#177

hmm…initially she may have been unattracted since society teaches women to want a man that’s already successful, but her nature probably took over before she saw you again, and she realized that your masculinity is fueling your ambition to improve an aspect of your life,
Which may have made her change her mind and at least want to engage you more, even if she didn’t plan on you two becoming anything more than acquaintances. I find that women enjoy my company, even in a platonic way since I express myself in a calm and masculine manner. Basically the more masculine you are, the more women will positively respond to and want to be around you. even if it’s just for short conversation and platonic reasons That’ll only happen though if and when they feel comfortable in your presence. Even a little positive masculinity goes a long way with women.

#178

I’ve seen more deadbeat guys with hot girls than I need to know women don’t just want money in a man.

I still believe she was attracted because of my indifference. Women don’t chase down guys they perceive to be low value

I’m also disturbed by the trend in the male community these days where everyone assumes all males they speak to (even on a forum) are low value. Either it’s a way to make themselves feel better about themselves or they are buying into the feminist narrative

#179

Yes it’s true, indifference signals confidence, which although a masculine trait, can be felt and expressed by anyone. Basically indifference is a core belief that regardless of outcomes, you’ll be ok in the end. That sort of confidence displays confident leadership and biologically women crave leadership to help increase the chance of survival for herself and her children. I may not be expressing that correctly but i’m sure you get the point.

As fr the types of males you speak of, it’s probably a mix of both to be honest. most men aren’t nearly as social as the average female to begin with (my experience). This new trend definitely isn’t helping. Men don’t stick together enough anymore. Humans in general don’t seem to need each other for survival like they used to, and so things like camaraderie are becoming conceptual relics in our society it seems.

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#180

I’m guessing low value means obvious signs of insecurity and whatever?

#181

Low value is a bunch of things. Look up pua theory. I believe one of the most high value traits a man can have is outcome independence.

If you look at all the guys who have hot girls but don’t fit the stereotype (as I have) you’ll find that money, looks, social status, are all not required.

I’ve seen some of the hottest women with homeless, fat, ugly, nerdy, sjw, etc men.

#182

The exact look I’m going for

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#183

Dude I’ve seen it all. I spent half a year in Vancouver living in my car. I saw some of the hottest women with the most ratty looking guys. Fashion sense? Tattered and torn hand me downs. Fit? Thin as fuck. Some were fat as fuck. Job? I doubt it as I saw them at the mall during working hours and the one in particular I’m thinking of was riding shotgun with the hot girl when they got out of their car.

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