So on the topic of alpha-ness. Know any interesting alpha role models in fiction or whatnot?
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Ah, well your sarcasm isn’t very easy to see, even when I know you’re joking.
As for the part where I misunderstood, thinking you were coming from an asshole place, I take a bit of responsibility. But when one sees someone say…
And then a bit down, saying
Comes across as argumentative, confrontational and other words that can be added. On my part, I apologize for not detecting the sarcasm.
You realize that dry/deadpan humor don’t translate well into text, without “lol’s” or emojis or a follow up sentence allaying a bit of the strength of what you tell someone online, I’m sure, but the last three days I’ve honestly thought you were an ornery asshole taking his anger out on people here.
I was wrong, I apologize again for assuming. (Ass out of u and me, and stuff like that)
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And then I reread what this says. You realize you said you were stating your beliefs by mocking his, right?
This is spooky
I was Sooo close to post
“And now for something completely different…”_
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Slightly on topic heh. this is alpha for me: have fun, dont take yourself too seriously, crack jokes with other dudes. Alpha is the opposite of competition(brain, dick size, women). As soon as you compare yourself to others, you think you are better, you have already lost.
Great topic btw
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Carefreeness and the Only one worthy of comparison is the former self?
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I already said this. Stop competing with me with better wording
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I̶ ̶a̶m̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶g̶o̶d̶
I̶ ̶a̶m̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶s̶p̶a̶r̶t̶a̶c̶u̶s̶
I̶ ̶a̶m̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶i̶r̶o̶n̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶
I am… hungry. (yess! that’s the one)
Also,
I am… not alpha enough yet. But that’s why I’m here to work on myself. 
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theres a big difference, dont see it as your way only
if you simply say ’ i disagree’ you show the other person respect that his points are also respectable even if you dont agree with it rather than saying youre wrong which seems to me thats an ego talking rather than a genuine understanding person , were talking about perspectives here
not me or you has the full truth so enjoy others perspectives and their point of views\
we are here to share views ,perspectives. question beliefs maybe, we are not here to win a conversation and ‘youre wrong im right’, so respect is key to a civil convo and it can be shown be choosing right terms
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1 of many “fun facts” that just get so twisted and the fact checking falls to the side. This world is full of those. I’m consistently amazed how long something goes on that’s clearly wrong without people questioning the source or newer information on it.
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Bruce Wayne, Khal Drogo, Thanos, Wolverine, Tony Stark, that Watchman dude, Naruto and Sasuke, Vegeta…
-takes a breath-
Iron Man since he’s technically not Stark (I’m tempted to throw religious figures in there as a joke) and quite a few others.
I don’t like fictional role models because: they’re written and imagined.
I prefer to look to real life. I read the Brando biography (still not done) that guy was alpha imo.
Same with Michael Jackson but he was a sigma. I did take some behavioural traits from both of them. Also Iceberg Slim was a sigma and I wish I could be as cold as he was with women.
For fiction, I like James Woods in the movie “Cop”, Russel Crowe in “Gladiator”, Damon Salvatore in “The Vampire Diaries” but again, these guys are more Sigma than Alpha. Best Alpha example (if that’s what you want) that I can think of is Vin Diesel in the Fast and Furious movies.
The first thought that popped into my head was that Tango scene from The Scent of a Woman. Then I was reminded of this…
This may possibly be slightly inflammatory unless you read it completely and really understand what it is trying to say. But hey, looks like we’re in a place where you want to hit somebody, might as well be me.
The Gender Roles in Tango
In tango, the two partners play different roles in correspondence with their respective gender. Gender roles are violated, for example, when the woman refuses to surrender, when she neglects her duty to make the man feel comfortable, when she resists him with disobedience, when she interferes with his lead or initiates her own steps, when the man fails to protect the woman, when he coerces her with force, when he focuses only on the steps and ignores the music, when he shines himself instead of her, etc. Unfortunately, such things frequently happen in our dance.
One reason for that is we do not teach gender roles in the US. Unlike in Argentina, in this country we do not use the words “man” and “woman” in our tango instructions. Instead, we use the gender-neutral terms “leader” and “follower”, and we allow either gender to play either role with absolutely no understanding of what that role is about and how to play it. In our “politically correct” way of thinking, everybody is a gender-neutral person. We do not train students to function as men or women, to be masculine or feminine, and to be attractive to the opposite sex. We only teach them mechanical movements. There is no role play, no masculinity and femininity, no emotional involvement, no seduction and flirtation, and even no bodily contact. Consequently our tango lacks what tango actually is. It becomes a gender-neutral dance.
However, in Argentina where men are much more masculine and women are much more feminine, tango is exactly the opposite of a gender-neutral dance. Argentine tango is a passionate and elaborate display of masculinity and femininity. It highlights rather than hides the characteristics and the functions of the opposite sexes. It fulfills the need for affinity between the two genders through intimate bodily contact. It is a sensual and seductive dance.
As fashionable as it is to transform gender roles, this fact remains unchanged: nobody can be at his/her best against nature. Frankly, a woman is too soft, light and weak to be the leader. She simply cannot be as strong and reliable as the leader must be and function as a man must function to a woman regardless of how technically knowledgeable she is on leading. Likewise, a man is too heavy and robust to be the follower. He simply cannot be as flexible and light as the follower must be and function as a woman must function to a man regardless of how technically knowledgeable he is on following. Tango is not just lead and follow. It is the interaction between the opposite sexes. Without masculinity and femininity tango loses its beauty, charm and attraction.
So, what are the roles of men and women in tango and how different these roles are?
Men in general are physically taller, heavier, stronger and more dependable than women. They also have a psyche different from that of women due to men’s hunting nature formed in the millions of years of human evolution through natural selection, such as their need for taking initiatives, subduing, conquering, keeping under control, and protecting their loved ones, etc. Naturally, men assume the masculine role in tango as they do in life. The following are the functions of men’s role in tango.
1. Leading the woman . For the couple to dance in unison and harmony, their actions must agree. For that to happen, only one of them must take the lead and the other must follow. In tango, the man leads the woman. He does so not by using force, but by showing an intention with his torso of how he wants her to move, which she in his embrace can feel. He then matches her response to complete the lead.
2. Plotting the dance . In tango, the man dances around the floor and the woman dances around the man. The woman may beautify the dance with her flexible body and colorful footwork, but she cannot plot the dance and change the choreography. That responsibility lies in the man, who must make the dance interesting, diversified and well-arranged so it would bring the woman’s feminine beauty into full play.
3. Supporting her . The man must be supportive to the woman. Although she is liable for her own balance and stability, in actual dancing she often needs his help, especially if she is a less experienced dancer. The man must be the pillar for her, supporting her with his body to help keeping her balanced and stable in the dance. He must be as solid as a refrigerator. Any unsteadiness on his part will shake her trust and affect her dance.
4. Timing her steps to the music . The man must lead the woman dance to the music. His musicality is the most important element in leading. He must not stick in the step or figure that he is leading and forget about the music. He must not just pay attention to his own timing and forget about hers. Rather, he must focus on timing her steps to the music, even that may mean himself to be a little bit off beat when necessary, because he dances for her. His job is to make her totally satisfied.
5. Shining her . A gentleman lets the woman shine in his company. He leads her to dance in such a way that fully reveals her feminine beauty. He makes her, rather than himself, the center of attention. He does not show off his skills for self-glorification and leave her eclipsed.
6. Protecting her . A gentleman is very protective of the woman. He must prevent her from being bumped, kicked or stepped on by others. He must respect the line of dance and comply with the navigation rules, keep a proper distance from other dancers, halt when necessary and not run into people, and he must not lead steps that may hurt her or others.
7. Pampering her . It is not manly to be rude and savage to a woman. A gentleman treats the woman with respect, appreciation, admiration and attentiveness. He holds her tenderly like holding a bay in his arms. He leads her carefully, patiently, affectionately and protectively. He makes her feel pampered in his arms and fully enjoy dancing with him.
In contrast, women in general do not have the build and strength of men. They are shorter, smaller, lighter, softer, more flexible, beautiful and delicate. In addition, they have a psychology different from men due to women’s reproductive nature, such as their need for beauty (to attract male), affection, protection and security, which are also the results of millions of years of human evolution through natural selection. Consequently, women assume the feminine role in tango as they do in life. The following are the functions of women’s role in tango.
1. Complete surrender . The woman must entrust herself to the man. She must let go her ego, relax her body, settle comfortably in his arms, be obedient and move in unison with him. By her surrender she dispels his misgiving and gives him permission to be her leader. Just like when a baby is born the young parents suddenly become grownups, she makes him a man by being a woman.
2. Following his lead . She must be calm and unhurried, wait for his signal to tell her how to move and follow the lead one step at a time. She must not act on her own, initiate the step, or interfere with his lead. While being obedient, however, she must also be an active part of the dance. Following is not passively responding. It is a dynamic action that takes wit, ingenuity and creativeness.
3. Being light and agile . She must relax her body and make herself light and easy for him to lead. She must not put too much weight on the man and become his burden. She must keep her own balance and not grab or hang on him for stability. She must not resist him, do her own thing, or wrestle with him. She must be sensitive and responsive to his lead at all time, and she must act dexterously.
4. Dancing to the music . Women in general are more instinctive than men. An experienced woman follows the man intuitively, which makes it possible for her to concentrate on the music rather than the lead. The man does his part to lead her dance to the music, but he does so only by his own interpretation and estimate, thus may not always be one-hundred percent accurate in predicting the beats and expressing the feelings of the music. For the two to dance as one in sync to the music, the woman must also be responsible for micro-adjusting her steps to the beat and expressing the feelings of the music. A good follower can dance to the music creatively while remain in perfect unison and harmony with the man.
5. Complementing the man . As his partner she must help him, bring out his strengths and compensate for his weaknesses. She excites him with her femininity. She dances in such a way that is light, inspiring and contagious. She supports him when he loses balance, keeps the beats when he is off time, slows him down if he rushes, and warns him if he is to run into others. She helps to maintain the coherence and integrity of the dance.
6. Beautifying the dance . A woman is a natural beautician and decorator. The man leads the dance but it is the woman who shines the dance with her flexible body, beautiful footwork and sparkling embellishments. A good follower, however, does not interfere with the lead. She remains in unison and harmony with the man while beautifying the dance.
7. Being a woman . The woman must not dance as a robotic follower but as a woman. She must let the man feel comfortable holding her in his arms. She must willingly show her softness, tenderness, flexibility, grace and seduction. She understands that her womanhood, femininity, gentleness, affection and attraction are the reason why he enjoys dancing with her rather than with a man. By being a woman, she can bring out the best in a man and be rewarded fully as a result.
Even though it may seem old-fashioned, this opened my eyes to the beauty of women and made me love them, not just lust after them. Made me look for and discover that unique, amazing and wonderful quality that each women has and love her for it. Be it the spark in her eyes, her smile, dimples in her cheeks, the way she smells, walks or crawls into my arms. And, as rule #5 states, it made me want to lift women up, help them to shine.
Oh, and it made the Tango my new favorite dance.
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shivers So seductive.
I think many ballroom and Latin dances (if done well) demonstrate alpha body language quite well. And if you really look at that video, he may be the leader, but her body language is just as dominant as his. She follows, but he does not control her. She’s there because she wants to be.
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this sums up all everything that i wanted to say,
theres no right in wrong in the equation,
i respect whatever truth you believe in, you should do the same 
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I couldn’t resist.
So have we reached any definite conclusions about “On being an alpha”?
@DarkPhilosopher do you want to summarize?
@Sage_Ninjistic When I asked he was trying to convert me that was a joke because it gave me visions of Jehovah’s Witnesses
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Real human beings are fictional too. This is clear from the amount of energy that goes into imagining and carrying out our desired personas. It’s kind of what this whole thread is about.
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At this point I feel its fair to say that shit has become unnecessarily complicated.
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What I mean is: I could write about a guy who has beta traits yet gets all the girls and paper would not refuse that ink.
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