Could you be more specific about what I put in bold?
Did it stop when you switched to full loops?
I have some reasons I don’t want to reveal yet for asking about that specifically.
Thanks.
I felt like hit by a truck. Some unpleasant pain throughout the whole body. Also I couldn’t get really awake for like 2h.
At phases I had immense pain in my feet, so much that I feared falling down the stairs after getting and and totally sleepy.
It got less over time. I know that it was gone when I listened to full loops, but I can’t tell if stopped before or was a results of full loops.
I didn’t journal properly at that time.
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These are symptoms of overexposure that I experienced for months, simply ignoring them because I thought they were the price of growth. I was wrong. They must be avoided at all costs, and when they occur, it means you need to take a break until they are resolved.
What’s interesting is that you didn’t experience them while running full loops. Perhaps your processing ability improved after working through some energetic blockages, and later you could handle more input and without the usual symptoms of overexposure.
I’ve never experienced anything like that.
That’s exactly why I said recon needs to be avoided at all costs.
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I was experiencing negative results when i started Ql stage 1, i was getting so much distracted by social media and other cheap dopamine like porn but towards the end of my second cycle it got so bad that i was so angry with myself that I deactivated all social media. What came next was concentration, getting locked in and since then my results have gotten better and better
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Yesterday, after running the first loop of QL (st4), I experienced some “negative” results. It wasn’t classical recon, but it wasn’t low-level recon either. It was the same kind of “negative” results I described in my first post, so topical — my verbal fluency dropped significantly, and I had trouble focusing and with associative processes.
It resolved on its own just by waiting it out and allowing the feelings to be. I ran another loop (WANTED) in the morning, and everything seems to have gone back to normal. I wish there were a better way to deal with this phenomenon, but it seems it really just comes down to giving your mind time to process everything.
While running WB name embed this run, I would get like women literally giving me like “eww” indicators, like they are repulsed by me and I would think, think, they were physically running away from me or that I gave off creepy vibes. Maybe it was recon but I felt like shit, haven’t watched porn tho after all this, so thats a relief. Ngl tho, I thought I had done something that messed up my results but reading other users experiencing this makes me feel not alone.
I’ve been using red light therapy, I thought that was the thing that was affecting everything but I guess not.
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These are exactly @JCDenton experiences on WB:
As I mentioned before, it’s just a matter of waiting them out. However, we haven’t figured out how to get rid of them altogether. What seems to minimize it is running microloops, as they tend to speed up the processing as that’s vital as you can see below.
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Has happened to me on WB too.
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What I have since seen as my self-awareness develops
Is it is an incongruence of my expectations vs. current reality
I’m not ‘more invisible’ in recon on WB (although I do think that recon neg-result is possible) but my expectation to be seen and sought- in comparison to my current reality has me ‘feel’ invicilbe which colors the evidence my mind then filters for- it’s a form of confirmation bias from incongruence- a reconcillation of new beliefs with current ‘reality’
Additionally, negative reactions from people are an incongruence in mixed signals - like someone who looks kind and aggressive at the same time. Or wealthy but seems needy desperate from something from you. People who send strongly disparate signals tend to be repulsive and/or invincible depending on the level of confusion. I remebering back in the day in the phermone world, they call this OD’ing
I’ve found new subs and too many subs- in recon can create a ‘murky water’ mixed signal effect- but when they settle down, the combination can be compelling.
Microloops as @Sub.Zero stated are fantastic AND what I have always seen, but recently noted strongly- is if one is getting strong negative sexual reactions OR lacking sexual interest- even when running romance/sexual subs- run Khan Black Stage 1!
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Here is why “negative” results aren’t really a thing:
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Yep. Note that when people start recognizing this, you’ve achieved a level of self-mastery and self-knowledge that allows you to see through illusion and glamour and start seeing deeper truths about yourself, others, and the relationship between both.
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To me all of this is just overexposure, some part of you has moved so fast in a certain direction but nothing in your life has caught up with the changes. Signals you are sending out do not seem congruent at all and the vibe is just not matching with the other parts of you who are still lagging behind.
How can you have negative results from a positive script? Only if you overdo it this can happen because then you push it so far that even you start questioning it. If you are told something once it sounds amazing. If you are told something so many times but you can clearly see it is not the truth because your life is not matching it at all, especially if the things being told are too “out there” for you, you will really reject it.
This is how I perceive this phenomenon. Pushing it too far, too quick in a short amount of time. Even the people around you will not be able to get involved with changes like this. Imagine being like a normal and regular guy and suddenly the day after you are completely different, it will be difficult for people that know you to accept, and also it will be difficult for you to accept if it happens to quickly. I think when you kind of cannot accept the changes because the magnitude and extend of changes and how many times you have been told in a short term becomes overwhelming the results will be opposite to what is really expected.
Just my thought process around it. Just a little bit of information goes a long way I think. Only once you have build a subconscious structure within which the information can process and activate properly you can begin to use full loops,
If that structure is not there or you are lacking in many aspects it will need time to build. Otherwise, underneath, in the subconscious mind, there is simply nothing for the script to correspond to. If it cannot correspond to anything you will have to reconcile what is there until you have integrated the new information into a new form or structure. Now this structure will correspond to and resonate with the subliminal message and deliver proper results without all of these “uncomfortable” symptoms.
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Also, to @Azriel 's point, the first time I tried pheromones some… 15 years ago at this point, I didn’t “believe” in them, so I doused myself in a high status pheromone. Not only did I get ghosted by pretty much everyone (meaning, they simply pretended I didn’t exist), I kept getting people asking me if I was mad. The biggest thing – and the thing that made me run to the bathroom and scrub it off – was that my direct manager and the owner of the company started taking shots at me and slammed the door in my face when I was walking out behind them.
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And to your point, this is why we tell people to stop jumping straight to Wanted Black. You have to be able to pull off that vibe. This will be mitigated in the upgrade of WB a bit. Wanted as well.
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Many people here start from zero. If you have nothing to show for in your life and not at least have a moderate form of success in different kind of areas to give you some form of status, attraction, intelligence, power or whatever nature and aspect of life different parts of a script correspond to you, you will have a difficult time to reconcile that.
Especially if you get hit with many of these things at once, I really think that is where heavy brain fog or confusion comes from. The programs really do hit deep. They don’t just touch the surface but the core or who you are which is not always just gonna be a surface-level experience. When good emotions come they hit deep, when bad emotions come… they also really hit deep and it can be a tumultuous process in that regard.
And wow I had not seen Fire his post but our insights on this matter are quite similar.
I hope this all leads to some innovative breakthroughs in the anti-recon scripting that is being developed to make all of this smoother and just more graceful and frictionless. In the end it is all a mental process, if we attach to much of value to our current (limited) identity and personality and we do not have the willingness to extend the boundaries of our existence, and especially without the needed flexibility, dynamism and adaptiveness it will become difficult to change.
To do all of this without much friction within ourselves would be a beautiful achievement. I don’t think change has to be hard or difficult or come with so much tumultuousness. It can become a smooth process if we are willing to allow to the process to simply unfold.
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I’ve noticed recently that by decreasing the exposure time, I’ve not only minimized (almost neutralized) what I call low-level recon, but my reality also seems to be catching up with what the scripting is attempting to change within me and those internal changes are much more rapid and natural. It’s as if relevant subconscious structures are being created or reinforced way easire, and they are now resonating much more strongly with my external reality—“as within, so without” is in stronger alignment than it’s ever been before.
I can see that when I take action and experience results that are relevant to the scripting, the internal changes become far more profound, which in turn amplifies the results even further.
For example, I went to a club last night and had a great time with some ladies. Then today, I manifested even more attractive women—and I could clearly see how much better I interacted with them, how much more I felt like myself.
It’s something @Fire and @SaintSovereign said long ago but I think it needs to be repeated from time to time: the amount of focused action you need to take and introspection needs to be proportional to your exposure time. In other words, the more you encourage your subconscious to change the more you need to “prove to it” in terms of shifts in your reality to keep the whole process in balance.
It seems to me that what I call low-level recon stems precisely from not keeping that proportion in check—much like how classic recon arises from an even greater imbalance between listening time and the amount of action and introspection.
When I’m in low-level recon, it feels as if my subconscious is groping for any relevant structure to stabilize the process. That manifests as a pull toward my “deeper” awareness, where all the side effects of low-level recon occur—like intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions. This might also be the case with classic recon.
Perhaps during reconciliation, we could support the subconscious when it gropes for relevant structures it cannot find—by gently pointing it toward the first available, relevant ones. That alone might help significantly.
For example, let’s say you’re running WB, but there are no established subconscious structures related to the seduction process so your subconscious mind initiates reconciliation, groping for something relevant it cannot find causing recon. In this case, your subconscious mind could be guided toward your existing social skills, allowing it to use those as a foundation for reconciling what the script attmepts to change within you in terms of seduction.
Of course, the process can be aided consciously by applying your social skills, but support from the subconscious could prove extremely useful.
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Oh, I didn’t mention that I’m running WANTED.
Is there a chance we’ll see an upgrade for WB soon?
It’s slowly rising to be one of my favorite subs after I start running it with shorter loops.
Sometime after Wanted’s release. Even though WB is it’s own title, the foundation is (and will be) based upon Wanted’s feedback. But, as always, with the “tent pole” titles, we try to maintain the same feel as the predecessor.
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