"Negative" results

[Sub.Zero]

I’ve noticed some users reporting negative results while in recon. I remember that in the past, I used to procrastinate quite a lot when using productivity subs once recon hit me, as procrastination had been a long-standing issue for me.

I’d be glad to hear from more users about this—maybe we could work out an effective way to deal with it together. I’m quoting two users who mentioned similar experiences recently.

@JCDenton

I very often get “negative NSE” and counter-experiences while the script is still being processed by the mind and only after the script has been fully processed and the mind enters into the execution mode, I get positive NSE and result-enhancing experiences.

Or in other words, during the reconciliation phase, the NSE should be deactivated and only become active when the processing is over and the execution phase begins.

This way, only positive and result-enhancing manifestations will happen and during the script reconciliation phase manifestations would only happen as per current baseline of the user and never as a consequence of the reconciliation process.

For clarification, those “negative NSE” and counter-experiences usually happen mostly with romance titles for me. While the script is processing, I am mostly completely invisible for women and they neither want to talk to me nor appreciate me in any way, some seems to even be disgusted when I look at them. When the reconciliation is over, all those negatives turn into positives.
The big problem I have with this is that those negative experiences are absolutely not helping in properly making a mindset shift from “unwanted” to “wanted”.

If the reconciliation could happen somehow “isolated” within the mind and without instantly being mirrored back live into my outer reality, that would be awesome!

Similar to how banks test new banking software in a controlled isolated environment first, and only when everything is ready and tested, it is copied over into the main running system.

Why is this important?
Because during recon we are encouraged to take even more action that ever before. However taking action during a phase of manifesting the opposite of what I want is not really helpful kinda. Approaching women and speaking with them when they send you anti-IOI’s feels like I am adding new trauma instead of resolving the old one…

@Starman

This has happened to me as well with social subs, however I reframed it as a blessing in disguise, because it has got me to redirect approach. So it’s still NSE ultimately bringing about a positive, even it there is a temporal seeming negative.

I understand in the moment though it doesn’t look and feel that way, and my last episode was intense, yet it was a shock and a wake up call that is starting me on a new course.

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My suggestion would be to monitor and manage one’s reconciliation cycle more diligently to avoid entering recon in the first place. The new recon tech helps a lot with that.

[Parsifal]

The biggest negative result I can remember happened during my KB1 run.
I started KB in order to heal my remaining porn addiction. The first two cycles were a nightmare.
Not only did I feel terrible, body wise, right after getting up, I also had a huge porn relapse.
It lasted for 2-3 cycles. Then I went for full loops and my desire for porn vanished.

I should mention though, that I believe that full loops right from the start wouldn’t have helped.
I needed the short loops to clear out the basics, only then I was able to profit from from loops.

I think this relapse was byproduct of the necessity to bring the porn addiction to the surface to heal it. Like you have to remove a bandage over a rotten wound to clean it. You are first confronted with the rot, only then you can work on it’s betterment.

It’s like when you start a detox regimen. The body starts getting the toxins out of their repositories (fat cells, joints,…) to get rid of them. But to do that, he puts than he puts them in the GIT. There it often comes to a retoxification and we see a Herxheimer reaction happening and you get flu like symptoms for example.

We know that the pituitary gland produces trauma molecules that are stored throughout the body. Every trauma we’ve ever experienced is physically stored within us.
Methods like TRE and EFT can release these molecules through physical means.
Subs on the other hand work through the subconsciousness. So they are removed through the same process that put it there. What could lead to some retoxification (just as a detox regimen removes the toxins through the same method (the body) that put them there and leads to retoxification).

That’s at least how I explain it to myself.

[Sub.Zero]

@Parsifal

Not only did I feel terrible, body wise, right after getting up, I also had a huge porn relapse.
It lasted for 2-3 cycles. Then I went for full loops and my desire for porn vanished.

Could you be more specific about what I put in bold?
Did it stop when you switched to full loops?

I have some reasons I don’t want to reveal yet for asking about that specifically.

Thanks.

[Parsifal]

I felt like hit by a truck. Some unpleasant pain throughout the whole body. Also I couldn’t get really awake for like 2h.
At phases I had immense pain in my feet, so much that I feared falling down the stairs after getting and and totally sleepy.

It got less over time. I know that it was gone when I listened to full loops, but I can’t tell if stopped before or was a results of full loops.
I didn’t journal properly at that time.

[Sub.Zero]

@Parsifal

I felt like hit by a truck. Some unpleasant pain throughout the whole body. Also I couldn’t get really awake for like 2h.

These are symptoms of overexposure that I experienced for months, simply ignoring them because I thought they were the price of growth. I was wrong. They must be avoided at all costs, and when they occur, it means you need to take a break until they are resolved.

What’s interesting is that you didn’t experience them while running full loops. Perhaps your processing ability improved after working through some energetic blockages, and later you could handle more input and without the usual symptoms of overexposure.

@Parsifal

At phases I had immense pain in my feet, so much that I feared falling down the stairs after getting and and totally sleepy.

I’ve never experienced anything like that.

[Sub.Zero]

@Tomcat

@JCDenton

Why is this important?
Because during recon we are encouraged to take even more action that ever before. However taking action during a phase of manifesting the opposite of what I want is not really helpful kinda. Approaching women and speaking with them when they send you anti-IOI’s feels like I am adding new trauma instead of resolving the old one…

I concur. Thats my experience also.

I never had a success with women during recon. It even felt unnatural to approach them at all.

That’s exactly why I said recon needs to be avoided at all costs.

@Sub.Zero

We absolutely don’t need recon in order to grow. Moreover, based on my experience and observations, recon actually interrupts subliminal reconciliation and should be avoided at all costs, as it tends to smother the very results we’re aiming for.

Moreover, recon often makes it impossible to take the required action—or severely limits our ability to carry it out. And as we know, taking action is the primary catalyst for growth.

[Vkluff]

I was experiencing negative results when i started Ql stage 1, i was getting so much distracted by social media and other cheap dopamine like porn but towards the end of my second cycle it got so bad that i was so angry with myself that I deactivated all social media. What came next was concentration, getting locked in and since then my results have gotten better and better