Do results temporarily regress when adding another subliminal?

[Judoka]

Been listening to paragon for 3 minutes was getting results then decided to replace that with my custom that has spartan+paragon and listen that 3 minutes and noticed results regress

Is that normal anyone else notice that?

[Chase]

Wouldn’t call that regress. But yes I experienced something similar. In my case sometimes one sub/core (not necessary a healing sub/core) would overpower/push another sub/core into background. My observation was 1. the law of least resistance - to my mind the absorption, the flow and the manifestation of one sub was easier than another sub. 2. I didn’t have enough bandwidth to handle both subs/cores at the same time equally. These are actually two sides of the same coin.

From my experiences things would even out after a while. One might not notice it but the other sub/core was still being processed and utilized and would come up to the surface in the end.

[MAkh]

Have a look at this by Fire. Very helpful explanation:

@Fire

@anon78457040

Yes, I’ve just added info to make it clear . I’m sorry.

Thank you.

I didn’t have time yesterday to clarify further, so I’ll do so now.

The reason why it’s important to be accurate with the terms, and why we are not going to be doing “negative” results, is because people are very easily influenced - especially when we are talking about people in more delicate states of mind. A simple buzz-word can be taken to an extreme, which leads to misattribution, which leads to subpar results.

In the case of so called “negative” results, people will start spreading it, but not digging deeper into why the issue is happening - and eventually, the actual work that is being done deep inside the mind is discarded as “negative” results. Furthermore, “negative” assumes there is a bad change occurring - which is not the case in any way, shape or form.

I’ll demonstrate directly - and please note, these aren’t “separate” occurrences. They are all the same pattern, same root cause, expressed differently:

@anon78457040

I remember that in the past, I used to procrastinate quite a lot when using productivity subs once recon hit me, as procrastination had been a long-standing issue for me.

Once recon hits - that’s what recon is. It’s a gradual process of reconciling subconscious structures. If your productivity isn’t suddenly better, that’s normal. There is an increase in the processing within the subconscious mind, and it takes time for the structures to change.

There is nothing within the titles to cause “negative” results - no “negative” scripting that could cause it, no scripting to increase procrastination.

@JCDenton

For clarification, those “negative NSE” and counter-experiences usually happen mostly with romance titles for me. While the script is processing, I am mostly completely invisible for women and they neither want to talk to me nor appreciate me in any way, some seems to even be disgusted when I look at them. When the reconciliation is over, all those negatives turn into positives.

The big problem I have with this is that those negative experiences are absolutely not helping in properly making a mindset shift from “unwanted” to “wanted”.

Continuing the pattern - reconciliation i.e inner processing is occurring. When we talk about any titles that include some kind of external influence (social, sexual, alpha titles, etc.), there are periods of time when the user is not used to their new state. There is a mismatch between what they are becoming, what they are, and who they were. This is a calibration issue - which simply needs more time to allow the reconciliation process to finish the changes.

To solve this calibration issue within the user, the user simply has to take action and introspect deeply on what is lacking within his inner calibration. This will speed up the reconciliation process and help resolve it.

You can see the next user did so:

@Starman

This has happened to me as well with social subs, however I reframed it as a blessing in disguise, because it has got me to redirect approach. So it’s still NSE ultimately bringing about a positive, even it there is a temporal seeming negative.

I understand in the moment though it doesn’t look and feel that way, and my last episode was intense, yet it was a shock and a wake up call that is starting me on a new course.

This is what I just mentioned. User has calibration issues, introspects/takes action, resolves the calibration issue (which at its root is recon), results.

@Parsifal

The biggest negative result I can remember happened during my KB1 run.

I started KB in order to heal my remaining porn addiction. The first two cycles were a nightmare.
Not only did I feel terrible, body wise, right after getting up, I also had a huge porn relapse.
It lasted for 2-3 cycles. Then I went for full loops and my desire for porn vanished.

I should mention though, that I believe that full loops right from the start wouldn’t have helped.
I needed the short loops to clear out the basics, only then I was able to profit from from loops.

I think this relapse was byproduct of the necessity to bring the porn addiction to the surface to heal it. Like you have to remove a bandage over a rotten wound to clean it. You are first confronted with the rot, only then you can work on it’s betterment.

Here the user is running KB1, a title designed to heal the sexual energetic system. Hard to have it in pristine health when having a porn addiction. Note, there are two factors occurring in this case:

1 - Recon.
2 - Natural urge.

First, the subconscious mind is learning and reframing subconscious structures. You likely won’t be able to do so in a vacuum. Just like before, there is a mismatch between where you are and where you are going, and the mind needs to grow understanding. Relapsing will happen, what’s important is to grow the understanding that the thing is not good for you, and that you are not a person who uses it - over time, this becomes strong enough to completely remove it. In other words, the subconscious structures change enough to not do it. Sometimes you need to see the stuff and witness your own reaction to it - for you to go, “ew, I don’t actually want to watch this” and shut it off.

In other words:

@Parsifal

I think this relapse was byproduct of the necessity to bring the porn addiction to the surface to heal it.

Which isn’t a “negative” result - it is recon, i.e reconciling of the different subconscious structures and the new subconscious stimuli.

Secondly, you are working with natural urges, with artificial stimuli designed to addict you. There needs to be a distinction between a natural urge and what happens due to recon - these distinctions are important. Otherwise we’ll be attributing every negative event that happens due to life being life as subliminals - and we all know how well that works for results (hint - not at all).

Next:

@Vkluff

I was experiencing negative results when i started Ql stage 1, i was getting so much distracted by social media and other cheap dopamine like porn but towards the end of my second cycle it got so bad that i was so angry with myself that I deactivated all social media. What came next was concentration, getting locked in and since then my results have gotten better and better

Another way of the subconscious mind working to bring you the result through the reconciliation process - and how long you’re going to fight against it depends on you. Are you going to work with your subconscious mind or against it, to achieve what you desire? If you want to work with it, then introspect and take action - consider why so much distraction was happening.

And finally, once all social media was deactivated, reconciliation dissipated, results. Not “negative” results, but a process of change from within and guidance from the subconscious mind on how to achieve the results.

@anon78457040

Yesterday, after running the first loop of QL (st4), I experienced some “negative” results. It wasn’t classical recon, but it wasn’t low-level recon either. It was the same kind of “negative” results I described in my first post, so topical — my verbal fluency dropped significantly, and I had trouble focusing and with associative processes.

Again, processing and reconciliation. Simply lowering the listening time is enough.

@themadsexyscientist

While running WB name embed this run, I would get like women literally giving me like “eww” indicators, like they are repulsed by me and I would think, think, they were physically running away from me or that I gave off creepy vibes. Maybe it was recon but I felt like shit, haven’t watched porn tho after all this, so thats a relief. Ngl tho, I thought I had done something that messed up my results but reading other users experiencing this makes me feel not alone.

I’ve been using red light therapy, I thought that was the thing that was affecting everything but I guess not.

Already answered this one - again, calibration issues i.e recon. Needs time to reconcile the inner and outer, and for the user to accept that he can actually be incredibly Wanted by women. Until then, there will be a mismatch between what is presented, what is energetically there, and the deeper core not yet having internalized it.

Next:

@Azriel

What I have since seen as my self-awareness develops

Is it is an incongruence of my expectations vs. current reality

I’m not ‘more invisible’ in recon on WB (although I do think that recon neg-result is possible) but my expectation to be seen and sought- in comparison to my current reality has me ‘feel’ invicilbe which colors the evidence my mind then filters for- it’s a form of confirmation bias from incongruence- a reconcillation of new beliefs with current ‘reality’

Additionally, negative reactions from people are an incongruence in mixed signals - like someone who looks kind and aggressive at the same time. Or wealthy but seems needy desperate from something from you. People who send strongly disparate signals tend to be repulsive and/or invincible depending on the level of confusion. I remebering back in the day in the phermone world, they call this OD’ing

I’ve found new subs and too many subs- in recon can create a ‘murky water’ mixed signal effect- but when they settle down, the combination can be compelling.

Microloops as @anon78457040 stated are fantastic AND what I have always seen, but recently noted strongly- is if one is getting strong negative sexual reactions OR lacking sexual interest- even when running romance/sexual subs- run Khan Black Stage 1!

This is correct. Another word for it would indeed be incongruence. Again, not a “negative” result, which assumes some kind of bad change occurring - my friends, you are going through growing pains. Don’t mess your own growth up by naming things as “negative” results.

To simplify what you are doing - the growth you are experiencing you are calling bad.

We are on a forum specialized in working with the subconscious mind - I believe most here can understand how counter-productive this would be. A single word can be of great significance when dealing with the subconscious mind.

It is important to frame and name things correctly, accurately, without bias or the human tendency to catastrophize. This is how you work best with the subconscious mind.

And this will lead to the most life-changing results.

[Azriel]

What @MAkh said AND you may be getting less exposure to Paragon scripting and/or your energy is being utilized less fully towards Paragons execution.

Its like if you had to cook two dishes at the same time, there might be a learning curve before you could do it as efficiently, effectively, and as fast as just one.

This is conjecture but my sense of it.