Money first vs Sex first

[JCDenton]

Hello everyone,

I would like to hear your opinions and perspectives on the topic of focusing “on money first” vs “on sex first”.

What do I mean by that?

After health and family, the life areas of money and romance seem to be the most important ones.

Since we have an official stack limit of 3 ZP titles, I always wonder what is the more wise choice to make when it comes to deciding with regards to fixing your financial life first versus fixing your romantic life first?

Some thoughts upfront:

Money first:

• Financial freedom = more time for dating and romance life
• Much less existential stress and actual freedom
• Can buy sex whenever needed (in a Country where it is legal)
• However money, does not increase actual attractiveness
• While fully focussing on building wealth the potential for sexual FOMO and frustration due to unfullfilled basic needs

Sex first:

• Eleminates the distraction of the sexual drive which allows better focus on money and other projects
• Limited time for dating available since money still has to be earned with an active activity
• Sex can release stress and make you feel like you are living a fullfilled life
• However, sex also drains energy
• And getting lost in romance can distract from working on financial projects

If you had to pick and focus on only one of these first, which one would you choose? And why?

Thank you in advance.

[Malkuth]

Your Points 4 and 5 under ‘Sex first’ seem to actually still be for ‘Money first’.

I think one more that I’d add under ‘Sex first’ would be:

‘To demonstrate to yourself that you can attract people even when you don’t have money. Thereby bulletproofing your confidence. ’

Apart from that, though; I’d probably put money first. Just because it seems more important to me.

But there’s no actual right answer to this question.

If you changed the word ‘Sex’ to ‘Marriage’, that would be a little easier, I think. But that’s a different question.

If it’s just purely sex or money, both of those have the capacity to turn your life upside down.

You need good boundaries, discipline, and awareness (decent emotional and psychological health) if you want to live well with either of them; without becoming a slave to their pursuit.

Those are what actually need to come first.

(Shout-out to Godlike Masculinity.)

[Realitysmith]

I think it just depends on what your end goal is, if it’s sex, then sex. If it’s comfort/financial freedom etc. then money. Maybe it also depends on your age, like if you’re under 35 then I think it’s okay to master sex/being attractive first, but any older and it starts to get iffy if your finances aren’t in order. Of course one could say that’s a limiting belief but most people would probably agree.

[JCDenton]

Thanks for your perspective.

@Malkuth

You need good boundaries, discipline, and awareness (decent emotional and psychological health) if you want to live well with either of them; without becoming a slave to their pursuit.

Those are what actually need to come first.

Yes, right now I am focused on building a strong foundation with GLM, EE, KHAN and RoS.

But once done, the question will still come up again, shall I work fully on money or on sex first?

[Malkuth]

@JCDenton

Yes, right now I am focused on building a strong foundation with GLM, EE, KHAN and RoS.

But once done, the question will still come up again, shall I work fully on money or on sex first?

With a strong foundation and enhanced capacity, you might not need a fixed answer to the question.

[ryder004]

Money first. There’s an endless list of men on youtube/tiktok/IG who share their experience how they wasted their 20s chasing the cat.

Spinning plates/having a roster is energy and time consuming.

Money first because being financially secure is the only way to live free in this world. Once you achieve that you can live life on your terms and do whatever you please including having a harem.

The ONLY time I would say to give attention to a woman before you’re financially free; is if you meet the one you believe will be with for life, then that’s different. If that’s the case, then she won’t take you off your purpose.

@JCDenton

Sex first:

• Eleminates the distraction of the sexual drive which allows better focus on money and other projects

Not necessarily true. If you have a high sex drive and so does does she, you 2 will be thinking about that all the time, looking forward to getting home after the day and stuff.

For me, even when I’ve had high sex drive, if I can not fap or watch porn for a month, I’m good. I still get urges but they’re not anything I can’t handle and my focus increases a lot. It’s actually when I become sexually active that the urges skyrocket and focus starts to tank. Not to go too much information, but when I have a really good session, that shit will replay in my mind for days.

There’s advantages to abstinence and being solo every so often.

[Michel]

Bit of an open ended question. Maybe the question is actually “should I prioritise money subs or romance subs first?” rather than asking for the real world practical answer.

Of course, these subs can improve both at the same time, money and sex doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. In fact a certain Mr N Hill suggested sexual confidence attracts financial confidence.

Only you know which answer feels right.

[Adi]

Funny thing is once you have money women and sex come also.

Both are closely connected.

Definitely secure your own life and finances first.

[ksub]

[praisetheurdtree]

Money first. It’s really easy to hit a financial ceiling where you can’t really afford to date anymore: working too much, too stressed, or literally just don’t have the income to support the kinda romantic life you desire.

Conversely, there’s no right answer. Follow your heart.

[Malkuth]

@ksub

You won’t lose WOMEN (collectively) chasing money. But you will lose some individual women.

And that’s okay.

Choose what you want to choose.

It’s your life.

You won’t have Everything. But that does not mean it won’t be awesome.

[SaintSpring]

Money first. Women are least. Women can solve only a few of them, money can solve the most of problems. Money can also solve a of lack of women.

[Azriel]

Gents this has been figured out before

but he actually stole it from a German philosopher

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

Focus on Increasesing Personal Power and Empowerment first and both of those areas will thrive.

I also am tilting my focus between them time to time but in the back of my mind always know that I can achieve more with more bravery…

Quit my avarage paying job, approaching higher-status woman, socialize more, start on a new project etc…

[Tomcat]

My few coins & IMHO:

Sex or Money is artificial dichotomy. Sex & Money comes together if energy flows freely.

Just think about it. You’re creating something valuable, it increases your energy, you feel sexual energy.

What are you going to do? Transmute it? Its possible and requires great experience & skills in energy cultivates & work (Khan Black).

Integrating your work routines and enjoying women makes your life complete and balanced “here and now”, not in some “future”.

Saying “I will earn money and THEN will pursue love” feels to me like a whole bunch of limiting, social imposed beliefs AND personal sexual issues that frames itself in “money first”. So if strict “Money or Sex” dilemma- I will say: PSYCHOTHERAPY.

So, my answer is: both. You can invest more time in money, its okey. Lets say: 70% money / 30% sex or 60% money / 40% sex or, even 50/50.

[Simon]

@JCDenton

If you had to pick and focus on only one of these first, which one would you choose? And why?

Depends on where the person is, in each of these areas.

If I’m at ZERO money and ZERO sex, I’ll go money first.

If there’s enough income for survival + dates, then no reason to make the women wait till I make millions.

First Target would be to reach a Sufficient Satisfactory Minimum in both areas, with the shortest route possible.

If the wealth plan requires a LOT of time commitment, then Active Expansion of the Harem shall be temporarily paused.

[Sub.Zero]

Well, WANTED proves it to be entirely false.

That “wisdom” you presented is a really old fallacy and a very dangerous excuse (and self-deception) for those who aren’t successful with either money or women.

Give the NEW WANTED a try, @JCDenton

[TheRock]

@ksub

Many men got divorced because they put “chase the money” before their marriage.

[Malkuth]

@Sub.Zero

Well, WANTED proves it to be entirely false.

That “wisdom” you presented is a really old fallacy and a very dangerous excuse (and self-deception) for those who aren’t successful with either money or women.

There’s basic truth to it.

No need to get super-deep.

Money represents Success. Getting to the point where you are able to be reliably successful, involves personal development that extends beyond just money. And it’s attractive.

It’s not bad advice. Money does matter.

Just needs to be taken with a grain of salt. And awareness of its limitations. Similar to pretty much any general advice.

[GoldenBird]

Man, I find these “quotes” hilarious. You often find them all over the Internet, attributing things to people like Voltaire or Nietzsche which they have never said, or in this case, even go diametrically against what they did say.
Nietzsche never said that in German, and would have thought that the pursuit of money with the objective of getting power/women represents the “slave morality” he often criticized. Nietzsche would have likely used subs himself, because he believed in cultivating inner power through self-sufficiency, self-understanding/self-mastery and creativity.
Now, the reason Nietzsche would have deemed this a kind of “slave morality” is because the idea of money->power->women is socially engineered to a large degree. Society and capitalism benefit from men buying into the idea that love can be bought. It keeps men trapped in exchanging their valuable time and attention power for money and distracts from personal/spiritual growth(unless, as Malkuth said, the qualities you develop in becoming financially independent help your personal growth). You don’t really want get trapped in cycles of consumerism. But a capitalist society will lead you straight into it. It is the transactional framing you get conditioned with. There is some truth to it, but it is made to look much more important than it actually is. It benefits the few.

Nietzsche, like most German philosophers, isn’t the right person to ask about women, anyway. Like Schopenhauer, he got rejected a lot and started to project insecurities on them as a whole gender. Generally by downplaying their intellect and focusing on the aspect of cunning. But he wasn’t wrong about the socially engineered ideas of modern Western societies.