Media influence on the subconscious

All media?

Some kinds of media are pretty clear IMO.

News media e. g. (which are 99% bad, catastrophic news) are nearly omnipresent at newsstands, television, landing pages on the web and mean permanent stress and anxiety for the (involuntary) consumer.

A friend of mine (healthy lifestyle, enjoyable job, a sporty guy, no mental health history, quite empathetic) had a brutal mental and emotional breakdown and several panic attacks a couple of years back. It only got better when he stopped news consumption. (Before he was a self-described “news junkie”.)

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yeah, I feel like I’m denying my shadow when I make my playlist too sanitized. I have to find a middle ground for them.

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Growing up with tv-addicts, I´ve got to a point where I suddenly would get headaches, agression etc. whenever I´d enter a room with a running tv. Depending on my previous emotional state, this usually takes a few seconds till a minute or two. I´ve stopped watching tv after that, and avoided the living room whenever it was running/told them to turn it off.

That was around 2017, before I´ve got down the subliminal rabbit hole.

But even if they´d not contain any subs, they are programming you very negatively, like @TheGreenMan already pointed out.

The more you distance yourself from these influences, the more obvious this becomes, and the more
you´ll be able to “see” again.

My parents watch the news daily. When the “pandemic” happened, they were soaking in all the death-numbers, drama etc. on a constant basis.

I´ve done my best to avoid this bs completely.

Guess who run around in constant anxiety and stress, followed by getting “Corona” despite being vaxed to the max, and who stayed perfectly healthy while living his life as normal as possible?

I don´t see the point in running subs for healing and self empowerment, when you are still watching porn, tv etc. on a consistent basis.

Everything is programming you, choose wisely

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I eat lunch with my some of my family today in the TV room, and they are the older generation which grew up in from of a TV, and so did I. I tried to talk with them during eating when the news was on, but you could see that they were in a trance, and I got only back like 5% of their attention.

It’s funny when you see it after having been on a TV detox since a decade now. But then again, most people don’t curate their music or TV, Internet and such. But it was interesting to see just how hooked they were to the TV.

Another thing I have noticed is that people who have become more aware of this kind of programming, and that have started to detach a bit, they are usually more easy to discuss random hot topics with… things like politics, state of the world etc. What I mean is that they think more critically and are not on the defensive as soon as you mention something that is not of the typical agenda being pushed on the news…

Because then you are just one of those guys that watches alternative media :scream: :scream: And then you are royally screwed for some reason for gathering info about something from several sources… It’s kind of crazy how deep some programming goes actually, it’s like talking to a parrot sometimes :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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I watch very little news. I truly believe most is fake but regardless, it messes with my equilibrium. I don’t watch many current tv series or movies either as they have underlying themes I don’t find empowering to men or humanity in general. And music too… if it has messages that I don’t align with, I don’t listen.

GIGO: garbage in garage out. We are all designed to reach heights that would blow our minds, if we wouldn’t get in the way and move full steam ahead in tune with our imagination and faith.

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There are people who listen to the most violent death metal and say that it saved their life, lol.

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I really depends how it is wired. Especially childhood darlings can be heartwarming for some and just disturbing for others.

In my experience, things you want to stay away from are porn and news.

Everything else, you’ll be fine.

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So if I would many times listen to Radiohead for example this, I would develop depression after some time :slight_smile: ?

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Radiohead is incredible and that’s a beautiful song, lol. And video.

It’s art… it has different interpretations and evokes different feelings or thoughts. It’s expression.

I have a female friend whose favorite summer song is:

French Montana - Unforgettable ft. Swae Lee

Obviously if you look at the lyrics, you can classify it as “garbage”.

But this person blasts it in the car, she’s more “high vibe” and fun to be around than a lot of average people. They listen to what makes them feel good. They enter a flow state and everything starts working out for them financially, mentally etc.

For me to tell them “you’re being mind controlled by these negative lyrics”, I would feel like a complete idiot and the math would not be mathin. I would be the annoying low vibe person, like the “you must be fun at parties” type of person ruining the mood.

These are real life situations and experiences. I used to be super strict on the programming stuff but when I started to actually meet and talk to a more diverse range of people… I realized that stuff is not that simple.

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Yeah @Skadoosh that’s been my conclusion as well. But I think it boils down to personal responsibility and emotional maturity maybe. But like you said it’s not simple, it’s really variable.

Anyway I’m no expert on the subconscious and I could be completely wrong, but I don’t believe it is the passive sponge it has come to be treated as. If it was, anything that bypassed your critical factor would work. ZP wouldn’t be necessary, this company wouldn’t be necessary, we’d all probably be either making our own subliminal affirmations or riding high on free youtube ones. But as you all know that’s not the case. People still struggle with change.

So my thoughts. Why would media be any different? There’s still subconscious filters and processes that digest material taken in from the outside world. It seems like the influence would be heavily reliant on pre-existing ideas and concepts that it is compared against.

When I was younger I listened to a lot of gangster rap from the 90s. Commuting to college, lounging around, skateboarding, whenever. It’s what partly got me into producing more. I can’t recall at any point in my life this music impacting me in anymore of a negative way compared to all the mental shit I was going through. If anything it got me through rough times.

I’m not here to defend gangster rap, more than anyone I know how violent it can be. But it’s a recounting of reality that some people go through. Something that does happen or is happening in the world. Are the stories embellished? Could be. But at the end of the day I don’t see it having as strong of an influence as it’s been portrayed. Are we really reacting to the music itself? Or are we reacting to the idea that this music has an influence? Cuz there’s always some panic around stuff. I remember when the GTA game first came out moms were convinced children were gonna turn into thugs and become criminals. Or for that matter any rated M game was going to ruin the moral fiber of any child that played it. How much of that little seed is sticking around in some people’s heads?

News however yes. Screw that noise. Bottom feeding, fear mongering, manipulative narratives that do nothing to inform you. There’s intention there. A rapper recounting his days in the ghetto, it just is, he’s not trying to convert you or influence you he’s just telling you his side of the story and the reality he’s been a part of.

All this to say. I don’t feel particularly troubled by what I choose to consume media wise and living in a cautionary state of “how is this going to influence me on a subconscious level?” is not my idea of freedom.

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Also a fun video for anyone who hasn’t seen it. Dee Snider absolutely obliterating the stupid logic and fear imposed by the suit wearing squares. Funny when I watched it, it reminded me of the everything comes to light situation.

When you stay away from the PROGRAMS on television, the programming wears off.

To watch a PROGRAM, you are staring at a screen that gives off light. Originally in hypnosis, people would be in a dark room looking at a candle light.

What is NEWS?

NEWS:
North
East
West
South

Does NEWS attempt to give you direction?

Rather than watching the story, what about asking yourself “What emotion would I feel if I thought what they are saying is true?”

Okay, now we’ll exit from this rabbit hole.

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It kinda does doesn’t it? A misdirection

[Moderator input: :bulb: Right on! ]

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This might be a reach here, but is it possible it’s not the TV itself but rather a trigger to the absent nature of your parents when immersed in TV? TV addiction is escapism or dissociation, emotionally healthy people don’t seek out those outlets.

Well said, lol.

Also, back to the negative and positive music.

Some people go through a break up and the heartbreak songs help them move through it emotionally.

Some people lose a loved one and certain songs that one would think are “negative” and “depressing” help them move through it emotionally.

Catharsis is emotional movement. A lot of people use music to process and navigate their emotions.

They are packages of different expressions and wavelengths that people are tapping into like a training wheel in relation to their unique experience. Every genre and expression is needed because everyone is at different points trying to understand being human. That’s why it’s not really a simple matter, there’s too many variables. In my opinion, they’re more like artistic creations and lenses rather than things that are out to get you or there to sabotage you.

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In listening but in especially creating. Some artist’s music is literally equivalent to the introspective journals we have on this forum.

You can learn a lot from other people’s introspections and navigation of themselves.

Anyways, nice discussions… I’m done for today lmao

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Maybe this is why I feel so strongly about the topic. As a musician I can’t imagine a world where people’s creative expression is sorted into good or bad.

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It´s the sound for me. When they turned the volume off and I weren´t looking at it, I haven´t had these negative emotional/physical reactions.

Good thinking tho. I´ll ponder on this, you might be onto something.

That’s a profound statement, lol.

Pretty much just ends the discussion.

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