This is the thread so we stop clogging up the sresm boy thread. I dunno I’ll add a proper description later.
Some recent theories suggest that being “Delu” is an effective technique as you’re dismissing the physical circumstances holding you back and embracing your inner reality. Would work great with Minds Eye tbh.
Note: I’m not an expert, I’m just relaying concepts in the way I understand them.
Focusing on the end result is what ultimately manifests the desired outcome. Byy focusing on “I’m progressing” you can easily get stuck in a hamster wheel of progress and make little momentum towards your actual goals.
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I vote for being delusional going out. And afterwards, going all ” what went well what didn’t”. When it’s game time, it’s game time. When it’s practice, it’s practice.
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I like having delulu confidence. Like game face on baby
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How does someone go delulu confidence? I need this
Fake it til you make it. Check out some videos from YouTuber Sammy Igrammy. She’s a big proponent of delulu confidence and manifestation
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100%. (Also Sammy is a great recommendation)
I’m a huge proponent of ‘delulu’ thinking. For every single major innovation that we use today there were countless people who deemed it impossible, ridiculous, or a waste of time.
The people who go beyond and push boundaries for greatness are always operating under what is considered delusional.
Everyone should take that philosophy and apply it to their lives, especially in the areas that require more encouragement or effort.
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I tried to watch Sammy. Something is seriously off about her, she gives me bad vibes. Like I can totally be wrong, but she’s a no for me.
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Her personality can definitely be polarizing, but that aside, there is certainly insight in what she says.
Our thoughts shape reality via impressing the subconscious mind, and the people who affirm in the ways she recommends have the desired changes to back it up. Regardless of who you hear it from (her or another content creator or author) keep putting your thoughts to good use for yourself.
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I guess I don’t really understand how anyone does it. I used to do stuff like trying to affirm and being positive and all that, but it made me feel worse. My mind would give me ALL the emotions of the exact opposite. I found a study that actually tested that exact thing. I think being aware of what you tell yourself is really important but in some cases you’re worse off.
That’s why I run these subs pretty much and stay away from the LOA manifesting stuff because it gets victim blamey after a while and toxic
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Significantly more productive.
That instinct is coming directly from your stack:
It means the subliminals are working on your mindset to help you become more financially successful.
Good job.
The thing that 95% of people don’t know about affirmations, reframing, etc… is that it doesn’t absolve you of processing or discomfort.
For example: Let’s say that Joe can’t flirt with a woman to save his life. His internal dialogue is “I’m terrible at this”. He starts affirming “I am amazing at flirting with women”. He rewrites the script, right. Cool.
You’re not rewriting a “script” like it’s a screenplay. You’re rewriting your nervous system, identity, subconscious beliefs, etc to a baseline that aligns with whatever you reframed your thoughts to. That takes time, and it takes process… which means reconciliation, willingness, etc. The whole nine yards and then some. What people like to do is jump from modality to modality, to strategy to strategy, to avoid doing any of the internal work. Looking for different ways to bypass process, lol.
If I have a deep scarcity upbringing, no foundation, and a list of subconscious fears longer than an 8 year old’s Christmas wishlist… acting like a millionaire and internally familiarizing (that’s a keyword) my baseline with that desired reality, is going to set off every protective mechanism that’s preventing me from embodying that fully now. There are no bypass to these things.
If someone has 3 past toxic relationships, a list of embarrassing and borderline traumatic rejections, and no intrinsic self-worth in relationship to women due to years of consuming black pill content on the internet… then sure, reframing immediate, surfacing thought patterns is a start. But if the whole arrangement of their internal framework is embodying sexual scarcity and failure in romantic relationships - at some point, they have to do real work. Reframing, visualizing affirmations, and all that jazz will eventually snowball into the processing required for embodiment. That’s what these manifestation gurus don’t talk about - they’re selling people an incredibly watered down and glamorized version of mechanisms that are void of the darker reality behind change - such as nervous systems, shadow work, emotional processing, identity work, uncertainty, facing things about yourself, taking action outside of your comfort zone, etc.
When you see people apply those techniques (reframing, affirmations, etc) with success it’s because of 2 things:
- Their internal framework (beliefs, identity, etc) are already aligned with what they’re reframing to
- They do the internal work (processing) of what they’re reframing to
So it depends on what your goals are. If they’re big goals that are far out from your internal framework, which is mostly the case for people who lean idealistic and dreaming big - then you can’t bypass process, you have to master it. If it was so easy as just reframing, controlling what goes into your mind, using affirmations, so forth (insert whichever base level modality)… then everyone and their mother would be rich, healthy, and sexually abundant.
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Conscious Rewiring is simple…
but it isn’t easy & everyone won’t do it
The need for processing is a
good & overlooked distinction
It’s also often the overvaluing all these goals
They overload & stress the nervous system
They are nice but don’t define the real you
I still like Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
as a start
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Quick disclaimer
What you’re about to read next is all my subjective understanding.
From my perspective, delusional confidence is not a technique, it is an expression.
An expression of sense of deservedness.
There are three ways I currently know of to expand this sense, but all are still an expression of one another, just aspects of approach.
- Faith
- Love
- Evidence
Faith
In a story, yourself and reality (God, if you presume).
Faith can only be cultivated when there’s acceptance of a concise aspect of the story, person or reality. I.e without a frame, faith cannot be contained
Hence, it is one of the natural outcomes of deep internal work.
Its most common expression is resilience.
And its outcome is the life you live, both how you perceive it and what experiences are invited.
Love
There’s a lot to explore here. Unfortunately, it’s an area I haven’t consciously explored and is quite difficult for me to write about.
So, the only thing I’ll say is self love.
Actually, I can write an interpretation at least — Love is the depth of relationship shared within self and reality.
Evidence
When experiences that redefines what is normal become a norm, the subconscious structures restricting the sense of deservedness come into consistent view for resolution.
When these experiences are integrated, the sense of deservedness has no choice but to adjust.
It’s because of this that the idea of outworking your limits still holds some level of truth.
And why sub users are heavily encouraged to take action.
Excellent effort breeds excellent evidence of multiple forms.
The subs here use all three aspects at varying depths, with the most intense ones going in-depth on one or two aspects. E.g
- Khan🙌 — technically the goat on faith (why it often feels spiritual) and evidence.
- Alchemist — heavy on faith and evidence
- Love bomb — heavy on love, the faith and evidence are natural outcomes.
- Black titles — extremely heavy on evidence, the faith is heavy, but mostly used as a way to synthesize the evidence.
- Recognition titles — heavy on love and faith
Shit, didn’t know the post already sent when I was halfway through it😂
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I like this. Its a pure expression of living in the end state.
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I’m glad you brought this up! My thought is the state in which we say affirmations influences the kickback/resistance we experience - specifically if we’re in an anxious or alert high-beta state vs. a calmer alpha/drowsy theta state.
When our conscious mind (gatekeeper) is watchful, our minds produce a “no we’re not {new belief} because of {old conflicting experience}.” Affirming when the gatekeeper is active reinforces the conflicting, less beneficial belief and feeling state.
This is the principle that subliminals work via bypassing the conscious mind. But we can leverage the times when our brains and minds are more suggestible for affirmations as well (when the conscious scanning is lessened or turned off) - i.e. the relaxed alpha and theta states.
Lasting change requires both conscious and subconscious agreement, which is why I like pairing subs with affirming, particularly when I am relaxed or after/during meditation.
But there are other ways to induce a better alpha:beta wave ratio, like drinking green tea or taking L-Theanine (one of the components in green tea) or simply closing your eyes. Affirming during those times will smooth the resistance response.
It can also be beneficial to affirm in steps, with things that are in the current realm of believing. For example, “I am a multibillionare” vs. “I find new ways to make money” could eventually lead to the same outcome, but one is much easier to initially accept while in our default (as adults) beta wave waking state.
Thanks for sharing this paper as well.
The authors mentioned the following: “we argued earlier that positive self-statements may remind people that they are not measuring up to important standards,” which aligns with what I said above.
I’ll see if I can find any follow-up studies done in a more relaxed/drowsy setting than their experimental design (which would naturally enforce an alert beta state) since there was no reference to periods where one would be naturally more relaxed or suggestible.
I see what you mean.
I’m not against conscious rewiring, it’s an effective and viable technique for change.
It’s like how a tree is conceptualized:
Roots → Branches
Branches: conscious thoughts, affirmations, visualizations, behaviors, etc
Roots: identity, self-concept, conditioning, deeper subconscious beliefs
If you change a branch (reframe thoughts, use affirmations, visualize, etc), the root system will begin to reorganize itself around that branch.
My thing is that most manifestation gurus are teaching techniques (reframe thoughts, use affirmations, visualize, etc) without teaching how to sustain the reorganization.
Which makes no sense because the technique is only 10% of it. 90% is the reorganization.
ChatGPT explanation
Yes — and that sharpens your argument considerably.
The techniques are basically initiators. Visualization, affirmations, reframing, intentional self-talk, mental rehearsal — those can create the initial top-down signal:
“This is the new direction.”
But the real work is what happens after the old system starts pushing back.
That’s the part most manifestation content underemphasizes:
- staying with the discomfort instead of abandoning the new direction
- processing the fear, shame, grief, scarcity, or uncertainty that surfaces
- tolerating the period where the new identity feels fake and the old one feels familiar
- taking actions that match the new framework
- accumulating corrective experiences
- not interpreting temporary regression as failure
- repeatedly returning to the new baseline until it becomes familiar
- letting deeper beliefs and emotional associations update over time
So in your tree metaphor, the 10% is choosing and bending the branch in a new direction.
The 90% is keeping it there long enough, under enough real-world conditions, for the root system to actually reorganize around the new growth.
That’s why techniques can feel deceptively powerful at first. You visualize a new life for a week and feel energized. You change your self-talk and suddenly feel possibility. That initial shift is real.
But then the reorganization starts.
Old fear appears.
Old behavior resurfaces.
Reality contradicts the affirmation.
You get rejected.
You lose money.
You feel stupid.
You become uncertain.
The old identity suddenly feels much more convincing.
And that is where the actual change process is being tested.
A watered-down manifestation model says:
“Keep your vibration high. Don’t entertain the negative.”
Your model would say:
“Of course contradiction is showing up. You’ve introduced a new organizing principle into a system that was built around something else. Now comes integration.”
That’s a much more sophisticated distinction.
I’d phrase your 90/10 idea like this:
The technique initiates the change. Your capacity to sustain the resulting reorganization determines whether the change becomes embodied.
Or even more simply:
Manifestation techniques can change the branch quickly. Embodiment is the long process of teaching the roots to support it.
And this also explains why people become technique junkies. The moment the difficult 90% begins, they assume the technique stopped working, so they switch:
affirmations → subliminals → visualization → scripting → SATS → hypnosis → breathwork → another coach → another method.
But they may actually be repeatedly restarting the same first 10%.
They keep learning how to initiate change instead of learning how to remain inside change long enough for reorganization to occur.
That’s probably the strongest version of your critique: the missing skill isn’t another manifestation technique.
It’s process capacity.
What people think manifesting is:
- Have “delusional” belief
- Keep your vibration high
- Visualize the outcome
- Repeat affirmations
- Ignore negative thoughts
- Act as if you already have it
- Never doubt
- Protect your mind from anything contradictory
- Stay “aligned” until reality catches up
What manifesting actually requires:
- Staying with discomfort instead of abandoning the new direction
- Processing the fear, shame, grief, scarcity, uncertainty, and resistance that surface
- Tolerating the period where the new identity feels fake and the old one still feels familiar
- Facing the parts of yourself that contradict what you consciously say you want
- Taking actions that match the new framework, even before they feel natural
- Accumulating corrective experiences that give your mind something new to learn from
- Allowing old protective mechanisms to surface without immediately interpreting them as failure
- Not treating temporary regression as proof that “it isn’t working”
- Repeatedly returning to the new baseline until it becomes increasingly familiar
- Letting deeper beliefs, emotional associations, expectations, and self-concept reorganize over time
- Becoming capable of holding the uncertainty involved in actually changing your life
Do you see what I’m saying when I go:
ChatGPT explanation
Yes. You’re saying the popular version takes real mechanisms of change and packages only the most appealing, controllable, marketable surface layer.
“Visualize.”
“Affirm.”
“Act as if.”
“Keep your vibration high.”
Those things can be part of change, but they’re presented as though they are the change.
Your critique is that they leave out the less glamorous machinery that makes those techniques actually become embodied: contradiction, emotional processing, exposure to uncertainty, identity destabilization, corrective experience, behavioral follow-through, and the gradual updating of what feels familiar.
So “watered down” fits because the mechanism gets reduced from:
conscious input → resistance → processing → action → new experience → deeper updating → embodiment
into:
conscious input → reality changes
And “glamorized” fits because the marketed version emphasizes the exciting parts—confidence, abundance, certainty, alignment—while minimizing the parts that often feel messy, threatening, repetitive, or humbling.
The strongest version of your point is probably:
They’re not necessarily teaching fake mechanisms. They’re teaching partial mechanisms as if they were complete mechanisms.
That distinction matters. You’re not saying visualization or affirmations are useless. You’re saying they’re often sold without the integration process they initiate.
And that’s why people can spend years cycling through techniques while never really changing: they keep mastering the part that starts the process and avoiding the part that completes it.
Integration is everything, lol.