@SaintSovereign not sure if you mentioned it but can NWE be used as a fourth core in a custom with HoM? I’m looking for ways to improve results for my 3 core custom but I wanted to get your opinion on if you think adding NWE is too much or not.
Multi-stage.
Having HoM/E:C&C as a multistage sub would make it less dense and allow for better integration. It’s such a unique title, and its potential could be far more refined through a multistage structure making it a no brainer for me.
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If the custom you’re building already has the NWE, there’s no need. We added the NWE as an option for “light wealth” titles or those who just want a bit more wealth scripting in their customs.
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So if I have ASBR in my custom then I don’t need to add NWE if I have RICH and HoM in that custom as well @SaintSovereign ?
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Absolutely not. There’s so much wealth scripting in those titles.
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That’s a game changer for me as I never knew that. Thank you so much @SaintSovereign your a life saver for my future customs 
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Single stage then
How would the stage be split is my question?
HOM had a lot of stuff going on, that it can be split into their on stages.
Not sure yet. I am only presenting the idea of a multistage from the perspective of having more space to explore ideas. Considering the lofty goals of the original HoM, that could be a benefit.
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OG HOM was dense but weirdly I didnt find it not delivering because of it.
Single sage for me. Given the goal I dont see why multi-stage would be needed…
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I for one support the multistages transformation. At it is HoM is a beautiful but massive sub that targets many areas - wealth, wisdom, legacy, family, reputation and high quality relationships just to name a few. Turning it into multistages would give room for those aspects to “breath” and go deeper. Also as it is it is an advanced sub but if it was turned into multistages, new users (and old users would be benefited from it too) could take advantages of Stage 1 to get a glimpse of its benefits, and they could slowly build their processing stage by stage instead of being hit by all the scripts at once.
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Yes Please!
The Ultimate Business sub!
HoM is anyway the ultimate business sub currently, but it can be expanded wayyy more into total business mastery.
Here are my posts from another thread:
Similar to certain engagements with women in romance titles, different effects occur, but one doesn’t walk around experiencing them. The romance bubble, waned bubble, etc. So when consciously intended, the state/mode/skill of true sell or true sell-like engagement can come out.
The baseline of True Sell as a state/experience is not conducive to CoC/HOM other goals.
It could even just be skilled based and not neccesarily a ‘sale bubble’ but the idea of that for networking, sales, could be kind of interesting too. Although it would present it’s own challenges for sure. I think the ‘intimacy factor’ would need to be turned way down and the engagement- collaboration factor way up.
True Sell -‘drives’ the engagement- it’s tough to say to what degree driving the engagement vs. letting it unfold would be of value in certain endeavors.
Yes, game changer for me too
I’ve been running a ASBR/HOM/NWE custom for almost a year
along with True Sell/NWE/RICH (it makes more sense here)
The results are great, but can definitely see the value of taking the NWE core out if not needed with ASBR
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I absolutely 100% would love to see this as a linear multi-stager, with the last stage containing all of the first 3 stages (or at least their essences) along with final, most advanced scripting.
Given the amount of factors that would go into creating a sub with the lofty and expansive goals of E: C&C, I can only see this as a great thing and something that gives you guys (the creators) more room and scope to make it as awesome and effective in its goals as possible.
Also, I think the scope and purpose of this specific title makes it one that people would need/want to run as a longer-term sub in their stack, so again this matches up well with the idea of a linear multi-stager.
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Single title please
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This might be a relatively controversial opinion for this forum, but the overabundance of subliminal options might be a detriment to a number of users, considering the maximum recommendation for subs in a stack is only 3.
Changing your mind about stacks can feel like trying to follow driving directions but the map redirects every few minutes.
HoM as a standalone title paves a runway for users to stick with a title long enough for it to directly sink in, rather than skipping to a new stage as soon as possible (or as soon as recon hits).
This seems like a more minimalistic take towards the subs, but sometimes the most basic approach is the optimal one.
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If you stick to a sub for a long time, you’ll realize just how many things there are to target.
I mean, with my customs, I get results so quickly and I advanced quickly as well, that I soon realized just how much the different modules differ from each other.
The Major Programs are a little different in that way, but after running multiple titles, I can see how having multiple titles is beneficial.
When you start to view things from a pragmatic point of view, you realize there’s a lot of roll out.
I mean, let’s not project our lack of commitment to a stack, onto the catalog. We’ve got to practice discipline whether it is A la carte or a buffet.
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More people need to know about Fugger.
I read a book about him during my first foray in HOM.
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That would be magnificent. Because HOM is massive, and processing the script takes time. So having it as a multistage would help everyone process it better.
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