Single stage then
How would the stage be split is my question?
HOM had a lot of stuff going on, that it can be split into their on stages.
Not sure yet. I am only presenting the idea of a multistage from the perspective of having more space to explore ideas. Considering the lofty goals of the original HoM, that could be a benefit.
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OG HOM was dense but weirdly I didnt find it not delivering because of it.
Single sage for me. Given the goal I dont see why multi-stage would be needed…
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I for one support the multistages transformation. At it is HoM is a beautiful but massive sub that targets many areas - wealth, wisdom, legacy, family, reputation and high quality relationships just to name a few. Turning it into multistages would give room for those aspects to “breath” and go deeper. Also as it is it is an advanced sub but if it was turned into multistages, new users (and old users would be benefited from it too) could take advantages of Stage 1 to get a glimpse of its benefits, and they could slowly build their processing stage by stage instead of being hit by all the scripts at once.
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Yes Please!
The Ultimate Business sub!
HoM is anyway the ultimate business sub currently, but it can be expanded wayyy more into total business mastery.
Here are my posts from another thread:
Similar to certain engagements with women in romance titles, different effects occur, but one doesn’t walk around experiencing them. The romance bubble, waned bubble, etc. So when consciously intended, the state/mode/skill of true sell or true sell-like engagement can come out.
The baseline of True Sell as a state/experience is not conducive to CoC/HOM other goals.
It could even just be skilled based and not neccesarily a ‘sale bubble’ but the idea of that for networking, sales, could be kind of interesting too. Although it would present it’s own challenges for sure. I think the ‘intimacy factor’ would need to be turned way down and the engagement- collaboration factor way up.
True Sell -‘drives’ the engagement- it’s tough to say to what degree driving the engagement vs. letting it unfold would be of value in certain endeavors.
Yes, game changer for me too
I’ve been running a ASBR/HOM/NWE custom for almost a year
along with True Sell/NWE/RICH (it makes more sense here)
The results are great, but can definitely see the value of taking the NWE core out if not needed with ASBR
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I absolutely 100% would love to see this as a linear multi-stager, with the last stage containing all of the first 3 stages (or at least their essences) along with final, most advanced scripting.
Given the amount of factors that would go into creating a sub with the lofty and expansive goals of E: C&C, I can only see this as a great thing and something that gives you guys (the creators) more room and scope to make it as awesome and effective in its goals as possible.
Also, I think the scope and purpose of this specific title makes it one that people would need/want to run as a longer-term sub in their stack, so again this matches up well with the idea of a linear multi-stager.
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Single title please
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This might be a relatively controversial opinion for this forum, but the overabundance of subliminal options might be a detriment to a number of users, considering the maximum recommendation for subs in a stack is only 3.
Changing your mind about stacks can feel like trying to follow driving directions but the map redirects every few minutes.
HoM as a standalone title paves a runway for users to stick with a title long enough for it to directly sink in, rather than skipping to a new stage as soon as possible (or as soon as recon hits).
This seems like a more minimalistic take towards the subs, but sometimes the most basic approach is the optimal one.
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If you stick to a sub for a long time, you’ll realize just how many things there are to target.
I mean, with my customs, I get results so quickly and I advanced quickly as well, that I soon realized just how much the different modules differ from each other.
The Major Programs are a little different in that way, but after running multiple titles, I can see how having multiple titles is beneficial.
When you start to view things from a pragmatic point of view, you realize there’s a lot of roll out.
I mean, let’s not project our lack of commitment to a stack, onto the catalog. We’ve got to practice discipline whether it is A la carte or a buffet.
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More people need to know about Fugger.
I read a book about him during my first foray in HOM.
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That would be magnificent. Because HOM is massive, and processing the script takes time. So having it as a multistage would help everyone process it better.
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I’m leaning towards a complete single title.
While the value of a multistage approach for exploring multiple topics is fantastic, I wouldn’t want to have to switch different stages to hit all its goals. I love that HOM is so complete as a single sub.
That said the value in 4 titles to explore this topic is a huge addition.
My vote would be Emperor: Crown and Capital as a single title. It is massive but so is Khan, Wanted Black etc.
If there is more to expand on a multistage sequal would be awesome.
Or at least a multistage linear that leads a complete stage 4 but with a title like this it seems running the totality longer would make more sense than only a couple cycles per stage.
Alternatviely there could be a deep dive in different elements but then there would not a complete single sub which is such a value for HOM.
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I would be okay with this title being a multi-stage title. An idea I had is this.
Stage 1 for learning and using basics of business, financial markets, macroeconomics, sales, etc.
Stage 2 more for the business, connections, sales people.
Stage 3 more for the investing/trading/finance crowd.
With Stage 4, I dunno. Mix all 3 stages. It could be like the single title version where everything is in it.
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I’ll be in favor of turning House of Medici into a multi-stage project as long as no new objectives are added.
For instance, if the current version is 20 pages and you divide it into stages of about five pages each, I’d fully support that — since I’m aiming for more focused and well-defined titles.
That said, I’d like to know what will truly set it apart from Ecstasy of Gold — what new element or perspective will this version bring?
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The more I think about it the more I would hate to see this sub split up
If there was a single title HOM/C&C that had 3 advanced stages that be cool or three focused, learning stages that would be cool, but nothing that would take away from a HOM/C&C as a single use title/sub
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This
If you make it a multistage title, it would be great to have final stage that could replace current HoM in customs without having to decide which stage would be best or having to use multiple stages instead of single HoM.
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Or leave one stage as OG HOM (upgraded) and other stages to explore different of deeper stuff.
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