Please place all ideas for Ascended Mogul here. @Fire is curating this thread, so please tag him if you have questions.
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One of my favorites! First!
@Fire is it likely it would still be a synthesis of Genesis:Mogul and Genesis:Ascension?
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Would this be a 2 stager like the new Ascension?
If so, would Stage 1 be the same Stabilizer as Ascension or something different?
If I remember correctly, was Mogul directed more for people wanting to progress in the corporate world?
If so, could it be made more general to success financially and materially?
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Last year in a support ticket, @Fire recommended that I use AM for job hunting and the plain store title worked with great success to get me out of a huge pinch. At that time, I got my result through my former colleagues working to help me out ā completely unprompted by myself. It was exactly this objective listed in the copy.
- Manifest friends, colleagues, partners, etc. who will help you achieve all of your success and wealth goals
I used AM again this year, name embedded with the job seeker, and it worked even better. This time, my result came from action, finding the right tools and strategy to use and places to look, and of course finding and landing the exact type of opportunity I was looking for. Literally. I credit the job seeker module for that too.
I believe a good portion of people on the forums use AM for career success or starting a business. And less for the romance, status, physical, etc. benefits since we have so many other choices now.
And I think SC is moving away from titles like AM and LE where itās āsimplyā title1 mixed with title2. We can do that with name embeds ourselves now anyway.
So I would suggest a single stage sub, rebranded if possible, focused on motivation, drive, confidence, optimism, taking action, and manifesting a job, getting a promotion, or starting a business.
Not a āwealthā sub in the traditional sense.
But still a money-related sub in line with the idea of ascension as it relates to getting your financial situation moving forwards and upwards in a very concrete manner, and in the way that makes sense to you and fits your life right now.
The only two-stage variant that makes sense to me is if the first stage was dedicated to finding your āwhat to doā. Like what job to look for, what career change to make, or what business to start. Then stage 2 would launch you into action to get it.
But with that idea thereās overlap with EOG1, RICH, and Mogul itself, so Iām not sure how thatād work. The big differentiator in my mind would simply be the focus. Nothing about wealth, no healing, no auras etc., just purely focused on answering that specific question of āwhat to doā such that you end with complete conviction and belief that itās the right next step for you.
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I agree and second your feeling about AM and how the update should be shaped. One core benefit of AM over the big guns like Emperor or Khan was that it was light weight and fast acting, and I think that should be preserved. Iād rather have it focus on symptomatic improvements such as drive, focus, verbal fluency in corporate and business environment, quick wit, quick execution, and ambition rather than getting into very deep healing on things that would make the above mentioned a consequential reality. Things like NSE, NWE, and NLE could also add a strong boost to AM. Let the big guns focus on deep healing and more fundamental changes.
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Might be good if some Financial Independence scripting is in thereā¦ And making money the way you love without any interference from others.
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Instilling this feelings into your financial reality:
Financial Happiness
Financial Security
Financial Freedom
Financial Independence
Iām still thinking about the question of what Ascended Mogul should be/become.
But I have to say, Iām inclined to agree with your point of view here.
A foundational title thatās good for beginners or for those just looking for something fast-acting and easy to run or combine 
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I mean SaintSovereign said in a reply to me just the other day that SubClub has kind of pivoted away from healing (in the traditional way at least) in their subs, with the exception of specific healing titles like Dragon Reborn: Regeneration.
And the new RICH and recent wealth titles point to alignment being a key to manifestion, alongside action taking.
So in terms of wealth scripting, perhaps something along the lines of giving understanding of the fundamentals of commercial awareness, business/entrepreneurship and finance/investing.
A feature like Financial Learning Acceleration from new RICH, but tailored to the above areas.
Something along the lines of the Aura of Wealth module and/or new RICH scripting, to align our thoughts and beliefs with wealth. Address limiting beliefs without going into deep healing.
I mean actually, the more I think about it, the more challenging it becomes.
I think to some extent, Ascended Mogul got left behind in a way, as it was never updated even with NSE scripting. And we had stuff like Mogul, RICH, Stark and Emperor, the latter of which both offered masculine/alpha development AND wealth.
But as the product copy for Ascended Mogul pointed out, these goals of developing ourselves as alpha men and pursuing wealth and status are very intertwined.
From this point of view, having a foundational and fast-acting title (that can also be used by more advanced users) that covers these fundamental areas of development (masculine development, personal power, status and wealth) is the kind of thing that could become a flagship, top-selling and top performing title at SubClub.
Which makes it surprising how little response itās had so far, when I think about it (and I myself didnāt bother responding for days because I didnāt appreciate yet how important this title could be)
Which makes me want to go away and think even more deeply about how to respond to this thread, because I for one would want to run such a title
[Edit: Iām referring to alpha and masculine development, but that doesnāt preclude a female version, which would also be great. Think Iād prefer to have them separate rather than unisex though, although that depends on the final content]
Yes, by this, we moved away from the style of healing in which a person dwells upon their past. In many cases, they end up brooding, getting stuck and having an overall negative experience. And even if they experience healing, using that title becomes a choice between emotional stability and turmoil.
And so we developed a different method, one that uses the present moment and the future to reframe the past through action. What better way to āget overā something than recognizing that the current moment and future are being limited by something that you may not even have to experience ever again? This is why PEACE has that āspontaneous healingā effect. When you shift into the present moment and your awareness lives there, true healing can occur.
This is, of course, in line with concepts presented by the very popular concept of āThe Power of Now,ā which in turn was adapted from concepts particularly found in the philosophies of the āFar Eastā (from the Western geographical perspective).
Part of it is because thereās so many other really good alpha and wealth titles available and most of the forum posters have grown past the need or desire to use a title considered deeply foundational.
So, if we want to spark discussion, I offer the notion that Ascended Mogul no longer needs to be āfoundationalā in terms of ābeginner.ā So, in that case ā what would you like to see? How would it differentiate from the other alpha / wealth titles, like Emperor?
I know @Fire has his ideas as well.
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Iāve always liked the idea of AscMogul being a synthesis of the best of Mogul and Ascension. G:M and G:A are both advanced enough (IMO) that doing that would still be hella useful.
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I saw a post from SaintSovereign somewhere recently, saying that @Fire felt like he didnāt want Ascended Mogul to be just a synthesis of Ascension and Mogul.
I might be mis-quoting as my memory isnāt the best lol.
On the one hand, my immediate reaction to this was āwellā¦ why not?ā lol.
The original script for Ascended Mogul points out that the whole Alpha-male status thing and wealth are very linked in todayās world. And both have been great titles, and so synthesising them together seems like a great ābest of all worldsā solution.
Which makes me think, well, why would you want to change that?
Two great titles for faster/focused individual use, or one title that combines both, but still comparatively fast-acting and easy to implement for both beginners and more advanced users.
On the other hand, I canāt begin to express how much I admire Fireās subs. Iāve found myself many times blown away by how carefully thought-out they are, how synergistic, how effective.
So if @Fire has a new vision for Ascended Mogul, I for one am happy to put up the āgenius at workā sign and let him crack on with it 
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The staged approach has really grown on me since Genesis Ascension and Heartsong
Iāve seen how it allows for the titles to be focused on what the individual needs and wants
It just allows such flexibility really
Iād say that something similar for this where the first stage is similar to the stabilizer and allows the foundation to be built
With second building on top of that
How the topics it will cover that will differentiate it from Genesis Mogul and Genesis Ascension I havenāt thought of yet
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