@RVconsultant yes mate
Consider BeyerDynamic 770 Pro too .
Super comfy and they did make difference to my ultima results .
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I am not hear to preach how much money people should spend on head phones. However I am using head phones that cost 30 euros and they work perfectly. I dont want people to be misguided that they need the latest and greatest to have the ultimas work for them.
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This is a good point. I got mine for about $50.
Remember everybody, the idea is flat response headphones as a primary option.
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Yeah, those will work great.
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I’m actually using these myself. Only thing I’d warn is they can be uncomfortable for long term use. On the plus side, I rarely need to bump the volume above the 30 some percent to feel like its being effective.
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@SaintSovereign Now that I have those headphones would it be worth going back and running The Elixir?
there are so many ultimas I want to listen to but apparently we gotta stick with one…
I asked saint about my stack he said it’s way too much (I had 4-5 ultimas there)
So I’ve got to stop RICH and Paragon probably and stick to one something to run as a booster, or maybe I run RICH as a booster… since luckily I’ve got almost everything else in the stack, also got money but that is something I would love to focus on more right now
wishing it was possible to run more though
tbh, today is my rest day, I feel the heavy load; not sure how it is for others who stack a few ultimas together
maybe I will have much better results this way and much less stress
every time I run a few ultimas after the 2nd one when the 3rd is starting I feel like my brain is being confused 
let’s try this…
but I’d love to listen to all the titles… maybe give each one a month is a good idea, based on the needs that arise
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What was your whole playlist, everything included? (If you don’t feel like sharing, no worries).
I’ve basically been running two Ultimas (RICH and Paragon). I run light reps of a third custom Ultima that I created months ago - but it’s highly complementary with RICH, so I think of them together as 1.5 Ultimas. So, I’ll say I’m running 2.5.
I’m using a somewhat unorthodox approach:
Day A - M, W, F focuses on one set of titles
Day B - T, Th, Sat focuses on another set.
Sundays - complete rest
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Thank you Malkuth
RN it’s this
but it was a lot more in there yesterday
RICHx2, Paragonx2, GLM, Lovebomb, Sanguine, Executive
I would kinda like to add more
but e.g. even here I wonder if adding paragon (which I’d love to run) as just a booster at 1 loop would be effective (instead of elixir) or if it has to be ran as a major title
what are your thoughts? xD
(and in those customs are 9 cores, all the multistage titles, emperor stark pcc, etc) 
maybe no need for love bomb cuz got chosen of venus
maybe no need for rich cuz got EOG emperor etc
maybe no need for GLM cz got emperor and khan
maybe no need for libertine cuz got khan
etc
I have a lot of titles I won’t be using I think for now
but there are some I’d love to include, like paragon, not sure if it’d work
wondering what to stick with
I guess I have t just run 1 Ultima…
maybe no need for paragon either since I’ve got EF and DR
(of course adding more can help but I’m trying to add something that is best for my current situation, as I guess is the point - I wasnt able to do this before but with so many titles I’ve listened to now I can say I’ve got everything I want in my life covered so I guess the Ultima I gotta focus on something , just one, and dont worry about the sunk cost of having so many titles I won’t be listening to - it’s actually a good problem to have)
maybe I just look at what I need most and add that, so e.g. elixir for healing for awhile (DR always digs deeper + blue skies and so on in the stack), then maybe I add RICH, etc
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Wow. That is high-powered, bro.
What I take away from this is that Custom builds were basically made for you.
They allow you to do what you want to do.
Didn’t remember that you had 3 Terminus build Customs.
Pretty similar to mine in some ways, though I have less major cores in my Customs (6 in mine).
yeh, reminds me a bit of packing luggage. Don’t want to break your suitcase. Don’t want to make it too heavy. Don’t want to bring unnecessary items. But DO want to optimize and maximize your use of space while efficiently/effectively having access to what you’d like to bring with you.
Remember that Ultimas are like carry-on bags. You can pivot much more agilely with Ultimas without sacrificing so much. I mean that you can play an Ultima for 1-3 weeks, switch it out for another Ultima, and you’ll still get good benefit. (Unlike with a major program or a major custom where consistency wins the day.)
Your comments indicate that you’re mainly a Major Program kind of thinker. Even the way you comment on the Ultima programs indicates that you’re thinking long-term. More inclined to use them as Major Programs.
My thoughts are that since your Major Customs do so well at covering your long-term goals, you can be loose and flexible in how you use Ultimas. Gearing them towards immediate, short-term projects/experiments. You know you’ll have those Major Customs in the background chugging away for you, making ongoing long-term progress.
For Boosters, maybe you can do a series of short-term (1-2 week) experiments and see which ones make the best and biggest difference in your daily life. And make sure you take rest days or washouts from time to time to avoid the Manifestation Traffic Jam that happens when you’ve got heavy rotation going. (My personal experience. haha.)
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you’re so smart
thanks dude 
That’s true
Also I notice paragon has been helping me a lot
do you think running it at 1 loop a day as a booster can work or it’s not useful for what it’s meant to achieve? do you think for physical healing DR/EF will get the job done?
I’m just noticing some great improvements in some areas, that ofc time and what other things I do could play a role but I feel this is exponentially powerful so it must be paragon doing some massive work I think too
can I run it as booster you think?
and if I want long-term results, ya know how many weeks one should listen to?
I think my knowledge esp on ultimas is not very up to date, hence why I was running so many
Plus always nice to get some outside opinion
but yea, I think I’ll stop running libertine and love bomb cuz I got chosen of Venus and things like khan anyways
now thinking what to run…
it’s just sanguine is ALWAYS nice for example.but perhaps I rely on DR to meet the needs there
I guess I gotta choose just 1 Ultima at the end of the day
Paragon as booster? Anyone has exp with it? Or it’s meant to be run as major only?
Same for RICH, can it be run as booster?
Thanks again @Malkuth for sharing your experience!
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Smart? I’d like to be. Jury’s still way out on that one. hahaha.
My own Ultima experience is just getting started, I think.
But I think that the reason Ultimas are a secret weapon is that they can literally switch between being Boosters and being Major Programs. You can play 1-2 loops a day of an Ultima and get great short-term results and then when space opens up in your stack, you can increase the loops and it’ll just start contributing to long-term benefits as well.
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This is exactly what I’m doing right now. (Not that my stack is ideal or something.) But yeah, I’m playing 2 loops of Paragon while I go to sleep (or occasionally, just after waking). And I’m playing 2 loops of RICH during the daytime. The one change I think I’ll make is I might try out an Ultima B core version of Paragon. (If I’m getting this right, my current version of Paragon is Ultima A core.)
Remember that those short-term booster effects from your Ultima boosters are going to have synergy with the long-term effects of your Majors. It’s like if you are already biking or skating downhill and you give an extra kick-push. Sure, it’s a little kick-push, but added to the momentum you already have, it’s going to mean a hell of a lot more.
Paragon as a booster. Yes.
Let’s see what others have to say.
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Gotcha…
but you’re running rich as a major program then?
I mean, I can’t run both of those or it’s fine?
I wonder if Saint would say it’s okay
at the end of the day some weird things I do like stacking 5 ultimas to me I’m like ok maybe t’s fine until I hear his opinion and suddenly realize wow, yea, I been overloading myself
so you think with these 3 customs, 2 loops paragon at night, 2 loops rich in the morning, is okay?
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It’s triable (not a word). haha. It’s feasible, I should say.
But I also don’t run all of my customs every day. That could make a difference with the ‘traffic jam’ effect.
I consider 1-2 loops of an Ultima to be Booster-listening. (Because that’s what I read.) 3-4 plus is major program level. But of course you’d adjust that to your own specific needs and situation. 1 loop of an Ultima can get the Boosting job done too.
So, I consider myself to be running both RICH and Paragon as boosters. I’ll also say, I play them both 3-5 times a week. Not strictly every day. Today, I haven’t run either of them.
one other thing: For my strong Majors (i.e. Terminus or Terminus2 build), I tend to combine them with some activity that decreases reconciliation. Usually exercise or meditation. The real-time combination thing is probably not strictly necessary. After all, reconciliation doesn’t just happen while we’re listening in the moment. But still, it’s something I like to do.)
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@RVconsultant could you please tell me what is a flat response and how can i identify if it’s available in a headphone?
And could you tell me what’s the cheapest headphones that work for ultimas?
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Awesome
thanks for sharing
I’ll propose this to Saint and see if he gives me the green light,
I want to optimise my results
Thanks so much for your help!
Flat response is in regards to if you look at a spectral graph of the device’s frequency response.
If you see spikes in a spectral graph, it means the frequencies in the regions of those spikes are attenuated less than other frequencies.
Flat Response is a fancy way of saying the device reproduces the input signal as faithfully as possible.
If you get a headphone where the gain/attenuation of the frequencies is all over the place, it could actually impede the subliminal working properly as your subconscious will hear certain stuff better than others, or might not hear certain parts at ALL.
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Currently I run 4 ultimas
Rich - 2 loops
Paragon- 2 loops mostly in night
Elixir - 1 loop
Love bomb - 1 loop
So far I don’t feel overload , but never know when reconciliation can knock me off.
For last month or so , I have been rather enjoying running these .
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