If it is proven false it is not the truth
Truth is probably the hardest thing ever to find… I truly think the truths of this world are either common sense or they don’t exist
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same here, I don’t feel like the hottest guy in the room like with WB but my physical appearance is not anymore a criteria for validating myself somehow. So I don’t feel hot but I don’t need to feel hot to be self-validated. I feel something else, not sure what. I was looking at myself this morning as I have a big nose (it use to be something I was ashamed of growing up). With WB I was like my big nose is sexy and is a part of my sexy face, here it’s like it’s big it’s there, so what.
How is stage 2, compared to stage 1?
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You see I’m nearing the end of my first cycle of the new tb and things were not that bad in comparison to the first time but at the same time i don’t really feel the need to switch the second stage . No program jumping for once lol.
now im curious if recon is telling me that i dont need to stay on stage one for so long
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Too early to tell honestly… Maybe voice cause it sounds amazing rn…
Slightly getting more ambitious rn literally challenging all my beliefs and desires
More willpower… just doing more things I don’t like and challenging myself more.
That’s pretty much it rn… only been a few days
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As I went full loop thru Khan St1 - 4(changed to update in Stage 4), I am back to Stage 1. And I have to also testify that recon on updated St1 doesn’t seem to be so heavy as during old one. Of course it can be the fact that worst things went away during first time, but it feels different.
Not so much anger and depression, but I feel more tired with need of a lot of sleep.
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Stage 1 for me is really about bringing every “bad” shit inside of you where you can see it. That’s basically how I was able to realise all these things.
On my second cycle now and it seems a lot softer. I am more aware of my downfalls and can react more accordingly.
I’m still only 5 days in so I have to see where it goes!! Hopefully I’ll learn a lot more and go deeper with this cycle.
As of now I learned I’m so much more f uped from my childhood that I thought I was 
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Now, it can be irrelevant as these are two different programs but I got almost no recon on Phoenix for almost two months, apart from feeling gloomy twice or thrice, and recon hit me only for the last three of four days of my entire cycle (a two month cycle) yet upon its dissipation I had a healing dream that led to the hugest shift in my entire life described here:
I wouldn’t take getting no recon for any kind of indicator for sub swapping.
I’m not saying that it was your reason to switch to St2 but I want to forewarn people so that they don’t move to the next stage of a sub only because they didn’t get any recon.
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@SaintSovereign Has also mentioned that sometimes spending too much time on Healing titles can be somewhat of a crutch. One cycle and then moving on I believe is what he said the optimal approach is, unless you really have some deeper traumas or limiting beliefs to heal from. But from what I understood sometimes it’s better to heal it in doses, and then move on, take action on your goals, and come back to it.
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If I’m correct that was a conversation him and I were having. I see his point. It’s creating an unnecessary fear that wasn’t there before. I myself dreamt of a internal state of Tabula Rasa or Clean Slate
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Goddam I don’t remember reading about that?
I planned to do 1 cycle of st1 because I believed it was better to do 2 cycle rather than 1…
I guess answer lies in this post:
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I find that Simon’s List method(where you write what you want, the means that you want to take towards reaching what you want, and most importantly, what your current inhibiting fears are) is useful for determining how long you need to be on Stage 1. So rather than going by some fixed schedule that will never be perfect for you as an individual with a unique past, you can simply check and expand on that list of fears everyday, and one day you’ll suddenly notice that most items on that list don’t sting as hard as they did before. Since Stage 1 is mainly meant to free you from your limitations, this changed reaction should naturally signal to you that you can move to Stage 2 without worries.
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Does anyone in here really believe they can override the age-old societal programming, tons of “beta” experiences and lay the foundations to becoming the best version of themselves by running merely one or two cycles of Total Breakdown?
I know most of you really don’t like the notion of being patient and doing the work, gentlemen, but I don’t care about your feelings much lol
Sorry 
@Simon is right in his approach.
If you’re in a rush, just stack TB with an alpha title (Primal would be best), and run it in accordance with Simon’s paradigm.
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By doing each stage for 1 cycle and repeating you build each stage upon the previous
When you use TB and crumble your traumas you then proceed to build yourself up with TR
After TR you use your new power with TA and then move on to Khan Complete
Then you repeat, heal again, build more, act more and Khan Complete again
Doing more healing and more healing and more healing won’t lead anywhere
The process of doing stage after stage for one cycle each is far more effective and im going to prove it, im already at stage 2 and my confidence is sky high, i feel powerful as if i could take over the world
I only did one cycle of TB so how does stage 2 is working so well for me? 
If you want to become great you need to act, healing alone is not enough
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Lol, no. But also probably not by running 24 cycles of it either. My point is that it’s better to take time, do some healing, and then take massive action on what comes up and improving your circumstances, in the area’s that you need to work on. Being patient and doing work are two different things.
I can almost guarantee that the person who switches to stage 2, and takes massive action, and gets positive feedback from reference experiences on the area’s of their life they are trying to improve, compared to the other person who is sitting around in recon because they are “healing trauma” is going to be much better off.
Sorry
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It also specifically says in the instructions, run each stage for a cycle, move on to the next, and then come back to it to learn new things about yourself/experiences. I understand that you have some pretty major trauma’s to overcome, but that is not everybody’s experience, and what has/may work best for you isn’t nessicarily the case for everybody.
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My method is I get as much out of it as I put in the procress. It’s like exercise. I rushed through Khan the first time (1 single cycle of each). Though I’ve had 3 and a half cycles of ST1 (1 cycle new) and over 5 of old ST4.
The results just depend on how each of us train and the discipline.
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Yes exactly, positive experiences from stages 2-4 will change your life and even heal you much more than repeating stage 1 over and over again
When you come back to stage 1 after doing the entirety of the program, the recon will be much less than the last time you did stage 1 and the results will be much more profound
Real world experiences is more valuable than sitting and introspecting about your childhood trauma for 3 cycles of TB
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What we learn here is that you gotta do what you feel is best for you, because your subconsciousness is already guiding you this way. For some, deep internal reflection is the most meaningful and transforming thing to do, for others it is “getting out there”, because these “real world experiences”(everything is filtered through your mind, so what is the ontological difference between things out there and in here?) seem realer to you, so your subconsciousness is more impressed by what happens. Internal reflection doesn’t necessarily mean pointless intellectual masturbation. It just needs to be meaningful for your inner frame to want to change itself. That’s why for some, a highly symbolic and deep dream retains much more emotional and transformative value than some nights out.
What Kronos has so eloquently pointed out is rather important though. Journal after journal, I noticed that quite a few people here had some great initial success, and then it all came crashing down and they went back to something more comfortable, because their foundation wasn’t there. There was no congruence. There is also this pattern where people try to get to Wanted Black and one of the Primal titles as fast as possible, and then they wonder why people are creeped out by them or why they send mixed signals out there. Or in the worst case scenario, they look desperately for IOIs and find none. Again, no deep congruence.
Interestingly, if you go back to 2019 and look at some of the first Khan users, for example, you’ll notice that some people had an immediate lift-off on the first week of Khan Stage 1. Everything just connected for them instantly. Was it because they instantly ran out and approached everything that vaguely resembled the opposite sex? I don’t think so, even though extraverted go-getter types will always get more feedback.
There are clearly journals of people on this forum who have been on some sub or another since 5 years or so, and they still experience less stellar results than these “natural talents” that appear here from time to time. It reminds me of the PUA days, where some instructor tells a shy guy to approach for the first time in his life, and he eventually does, and to his great surprise, he becomes an instant chick magnet without trying much. Meanwhile, there is someone who goes through the same motions but after years, his results are still lackluster. The only conclusion is that their individual makeups are way different, and that the natural talent already had a mostly congruent inner frame that just needed some encouragement to go out.
In the end, it all comes down to knowing who you are and what you need to do to accomplish what you want. This should be prioritized over mindlessly adhering to general instructions.
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Apart fom patience and doing the work, it also requires honesty, and as you can see some people want to lie out there way to St2 by reasoning they don’t need 24 cycles of St1 or that the instruction says 1 cycle or gauge their progress upon how they feel on St 2.
However, it may be one of the classical forms of recon, speaking through them. Playing the lawyer’s game. Another thing is that lots of people simply are satisfied with feeling like Khan and their body language. Psychological maturation at work.
Anyhow, I salute you, future Khans.
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Who said TB is about doing nothing but sitting and brooding upon your traumas?
Read the sales page to Phoenix. Do you think the main paradigm is any different on TB?
The main paradigm is to go out there, take CONSISTENT action, and experience life.
If you have addressed me here, you clearly don’t understand.
Go on with your lawyer’s game, I don’t mind. REALLY. I wrote it for everyone, not for you only. Don’t flatter yourself, oh Mighty Khan. lol
I absolutely agree. On top of that, the lawyer’s game on recon is the most detrimental. Saint has mentioned that countless times.
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