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This topic was on my mind too for the last days.

If you want to build a skyscraper in a swamp, you have to dry it out first and fill it up with proper materials before you try to lay a concrete foundation into it.

Take somebody like me for example, massive insecurities, sexual/financial trauma/ fears, shame, guilt etc., basically starting at -100.

Let´s say building a high level social circle or a business is at level 80+, there is no way somebody like that can bridge this gap by just running an alpha title for 3 months.

Running anything but healing titles as a start doesn´t make any sense for somebody like that.
Emperor went somewhat well in the start, but I´d avoid facing my actual trauma and self sabotage, leading to crashing whenever I grew to strong (usually every 1.5-2 months), went back to porn and spend some time total despair…

Crash again.

Repeat.

No matter what I did, I wasn´t able to push beyond a certain ceiling.

Inside my paradigm I took massive action, had personal successes, but every attempt to actually move out of the box, really make a dent in my life, was followed by severe self sabotage.
The 6 months on it weren´t a complete waste, but I´d have rather spend them on something like Total Breakdown, the difference in ROI is gigantic.

Should I move on, should I stay on TB for more cycles, maybe even up to a year?

Do I avoid going out, taking action, and making actual progress by staying in the “comfort” of the healing subs, using them as an excuse to not go into action mode?

Absolutely, and for me it´s one of the indicators that I´m approaching or even already reached the treshhold where it´s time to move on to Total Reprogramming.

On the other hand, the objectives of becoming a Khan were so much out of my old paradigm that I wanted to spend as much time as possible with healing so I´d ideally not have to go back to stage one at all, but move through the rest with blazing fiery action, unlike the introspective/watery approach that I felt necessary in stage 1.

Without a certain level of awareness it´s often not possible to see beyond your current wealth, sex, status etc. ceiling.


Then you have somebody like Luther or Invictus who do a loop or two of TB, realize they don´t need it, move on to the other stages and are absolutely killing it.

I guess a good indicator would be how you feel about it when you´re completely out of recon.

Especially the new descriptions are top notch in that regards, exerting compelling concepts that had me fantasizing about my ex stripping in my bedroom, asking for another chance with me, while I didn´t even really gave a shit.

How do you feel about the next stage and it´s objectives, do they feel compelling, exciting, at your finger tips? Or do you struggle imagining yourself embodying these traits at all?

Just like taking action, self understanding, - assessment and intuition are skills that we have to develope and harness ourselves, the subs can only nudge us in the right directions.

Food for thought.

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Yes exactly, positive experiences from stages 2-4 will change your life and even heal you much more than repeating stage 1 over and over again

When you come back to stage 1 after doing the entirety of the program, the recon will be much less than the last time you did stage 1 and the results will be much more profound

Real world experiences is more valuable than sitting and introspecting about your childhood trauma for 3 cycles of TB

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What we learn here is that you gotta do what you feel is best for you, because your subconsciousness is already guiding you this way. For some, deep internal reflection is the most meaningful and transforming thing to do, for others it is “getting out there”, because these “real world experiences”(everything is filtered through your mind, so what is the ontological difference between things out there and in here?) seem realer to you, so your subconsciousness is more impressed by what happens. Internal reflection doesn’t necessarily mean pointless intellectual masturbation. It just needs to be meaningful for your inner frame to want to change itself. That’s why for some, a highly symbolic and deep dream retains much more emotional and transformative value than some nights out.

What Kronos has so eloquently pointed out is rather important though. Journal after journal, I noticed that quite a few people here had some great initial success, and then it all came crashing down and they went back to something more comfortable, because their foundation wasn’t there. There was no congruence. There is also this pattern where people try to get to Wanted Black and one of the Primal titles as fast as possible, and then they wonder why people are creeped out by them or why they send mixed signals out there. Or in the worst case scenario, they look desperately for IOIs and find none. Again, no deep congruence.
Interestingly, if you go back to 2019 and look at some of the first Khan users, for example, you’ll notice that some people had an immediate lift-off on the first week of Khan Stage 1. Everything just connected for them instantly. Was it because they instantly ran out and approached everything that vaguely resembled the opposite sex? I don’t think so, even though extraverted go-getter types will always get more feedback.
There are clearly journals of people on this forum who have been on some sub or another since 5 years or so, and they still experience less stellar results than these “natural talents” that appear here from time to time. It reminds me of the PUA days, where some instructor tells a shy guy to approach for the first time in his life, and he eventually does, and to his great surprise, he becomes an instant chick magnet without trying much. Meanwhile, there is someone who goes through the same motions but after years, his results are still lackluster. The only conclusion is that their individual makeups are way different, and that the natural talent already had a mostly congruent inner frame that just needed some encouragement to go out.

In the end, it all comes down to knowing who you are and what you need to do to accomplish what you want. This should be prioritized over mindlessly adhering to general instructions.

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Apart fom patience and doing the work, it also requires honesty, and as you can see some people want to lie out there way to St2 by reasoning they don’t need 24 cycles of St1 or that the instruction says 1 cycle or gauge their progress upon how they feel on St 2.

However, it may be one of the classical forms of recon, speaking through them. Playing the lawyer’s game. Another thing is that lots of people simply are satisfied with feeling like Khan and their body language. Psychological maturation at work.

Anyhow, I salute you, future Khans.


Edit:

Who said TB is about doing nothing but sitting and brooding upon your traumas?

Read the sales page to Phoenix. Do you think the main paradigm is any different on TB?

The main paradigm is to go out there, take CONSISTENT action, and experience life.


If you have addressed me here, you clearly don’t understand.

Go on with your lawyer’s game, I don’t mind. REALLY. I wrote it for everyone, not for you only. Don’t flatter yourself, oh Mighty Khan. lol


I absolutely agree. On top of that, the lawyer’s game on recon is the most detrimental. Saint has mentioned that countless times.

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Who else noticing their discipline and decision-making reach new levels?

I’ve been doing things I don’t even wanna do consistently, fighting against my feelings and emotions…

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The opening phase is important, once the mind will become comfortable with the title you will be able to see the difference right away.

It is like riding a bicycle for the first time, scary but when you finally get the feel of it, it will become comfortable. The fear itself will not go away but you are better prepared.

By default we are aligned with human reasons for safety, only when we experienced the changed that we are more motivated to move forward.

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I did the math. If done concurrently that would be 687 days

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My diet and gym are on point hahaha

And I’m still on stage 1. I feel stage 2 I’ll reach new levels!

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Yeah stage 2 is incredible man.

Willpower, focus, discipline… But the biggest thing is this aspect of conscious congruency. I’ve been in such direct alignment with what I should be doing at all times. You know that feeling when you say what your going to do and then achieve it? Thats what I’m talking about. Like doing the right things regardless of how you feel… Thats the best feeling of dominance and power ever.

Its literally like an internal David Goggins being built up rn.

I’m putting in Limitless Executive… Shit gonna turn me into Kobe Bryant

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Bro…

I legit dont care at all for girls rn. This is so weird cause last time I ran khan all I thought about was girls and dating but this one is just freaking perfect. Its like Im getting the focus of Emperor with the results of Khan… Perfect. Man.

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Ran my first 5 minutes of the new Khan Total Breakdown three days ago.

The recon is definitely there but most of the time it is more subtle and at times comes with short severe emotional peaks and outbursts. The outbursts only last between 5 and 20 minutes on average. During these outburst one is confronted with the deepest emotions that have to do with certain topics and that were previously surpressed deep in one’s subconscious mind.

Anyways, this is much better than the old Total Breakdown, because it is easier to be productive when the overall recon is more subtle and not like a fist beating you straight in your face 24/7.

And when the recon is over, one can feel that one has reached a new level of self esteem, self confidence and internal status.

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@James you running Khan with indexgate ?

Still, the action you will be able to take while running 1-4 for one cycle each will be much greater and will yield more profound results compared to taking action with 4 cycles of TB

Thanks to stage 2-4 you will acquire new skills, new power, new drive which stage 1 alone won’t give you, with the new found abilities you will possess on stages 2-4 you will be able to progress much faster

After all of the progression, going back to stage 1 will be easy, less recon and more results, it’s easier to keep on healing with stage 1 after you proved yourself with stages 2-4

If a person needs more than one cycle of stage 1 before he can actually get results from stage 2 then he clearly is not ready for Khan and needs to use a lighter healing title paired with a lighter alpha title

If you think you need 6 cycles of TB, you should run first 6 cycles of Ascension + Regeneration

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@Sub.Zero who cares mate let them run the way they feel right. You know what works for you and thats enough. If they will run Khan all stages each only one cycle and the repeat that 3 or 4 times, good for them. If not and they quit 4 cycles in, we lost nothing and they gained more than if they didnt listen at all. As Khan states it is not for everyone and it was expected to be cleared as time goes on.

To @RagnarLothbrok if you will run all stages 3 or 4 times, Im very keen to see what results you had gotten. We could all compare by the end as the time we spend listening to khan will be the same nonetheless (assuming nobody here will switch from it)

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I too want people to see other perspectives, im not fighting you im just presenting an alternative for people which i think will be more effective

@IRON i did one cycle of TB with great results, anxiety and fear reduced greatly, i have become calmer and i worry less, i have stronger control over my vices and addiction and i procrastinate less

Now im doing stage 2 and the confidence and power im feeling is much stronger than the previous stage, i feel as if the power os an energy running through my veins, i feel a stronger drive to achieve my goals and procrastination is almost non existent, first i finish all that i need to do and only then i consider eating and resting

My speech as improved greatly and so is my strategic thinking, im starting to see it not only in chess but also in real life

I have much more results to tell about but I don’t feel like writing everything, anyways, moving to stage 2 was the right call, i will finish the cycle and move on to stage 3 and 4 and repeat

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perfect : ) Sounds fire!
Im glad to be on this Khan train with you all and seeing everyone getting Khanny here : )

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More effective than what?

I didn’t say to run 24 cycles of TB in a row like it was exaggerated or counted in days. I just said that there should be much more exposure to TB than one or two cycles since pretty much all of us have a lot of societal programming to get rid of, and a lot of “beta” experiences to override.

Mind that I said that “passive” healing is limited, and we need positive experiences in order to overcome some issues very long time ago. I don’t think you were here to remember that.

Another point I made was that TB is not supposed to be considered as “passive” healing. The paradigm has shifted, now healing is “active”, even if it’s just introspecting.

:v:

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Here’s what I mean:


Edit2:

I don’t, mate. I’m just sharing my perspectives, experiences and insights like the one above or the one on Phoenix way above in this thread.

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What a better way to override those “beta”
experiences than to have some “alpha” experiences with stages 2-4?

Of course stage 1 is important, but one cycle alone will clear some traumas and limiting beliefs and then the next stages will build upon the previous TB stage as much as possible, since one cycle already reduced the trauma and limiting beliefs the next stages can activate to some capacity

When you repeat the entire process and do TB again, the next stage 2-4 will act even better because you are even more healed and with even more positive experiences and repeat and repeat

As i said before, if you need 3 cycles of TB in a row before your subconscious mind can even think of allowing the scripting of stage 2 to manifest than you are not ready for Khan and you need a smaller healing title stacked with a smaller alpha title

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I don’t think it’s an issue since the tech in TB is so advanced that pretty much everyone can run it.

The very same tech has significantly reduced the amount of time and ACTION we need to go through the topical healing on Khan.

However, I would be amazed seeing a cohort of Khans who did no more than two cycles on TB. That was my entire point all along but I’m glad that we got some interesting and highly practical perspectives shared.

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One thing I don’t see mentioned here much is that Khan inherently can be guided towards wildly different things, depending on your circumstances and needs.
Too bad the lockdown period is over already, seeing as it would be interesting to see if more people
report something similar to what @Yazooneh called the “bottling up” effect on this program.

For reference(from a thread from 2021):

Eventually i settled down in lockdown and calmed down and i started to guide khan to help with my online game. I stopped going anywhere other than gym.

after that There were long periods with 0 chance of me going out and khan guided to forging my views on sex lust women friendship, inner changes.

I even found out that you can guide it to slowly developing your “top of the food chain alpha fuck” aura, whilst being indoors, day after day…Until when you do go out you make jaws drop. I spent a month indoors after my 1st month of stage 4 and even going to the grocery next to me net me insane female attention.

Finally I got a girlfriend and I’m using khan to guide me to having the most amazing dreamlike relationship ever, shedding old fears and just loving her like she’s my first love.

It really does follow your guidance you don’t have to think of external. Otherwise you can’t really sit on this program for extended periods.

EDIT: it’s like you mentioned, there’s a huge viable element of “BOTTLING UP” results on this program. when you do go out get to action definitely but if you’re stuck at home guide it to developing a deep knowledge of your own masculinity and permanent aura development.

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