Main Disc. Thread - Stark ZP

Exactly not a good idea haha.

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Look at all those hyperdominant males! All they accomplished was being multibillionaires when Elon Musk wasn’t even a bleep on the map. :joy:


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You don’t become a billionaire by pitching underhand.

Those are all ruthless alpha males when necessary.

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Can confirm this as I experienced this today with my cofounder whos significantly older said that he would invest in me and loves my ability to persuade…

All one loop lol

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define ruthless lol

this whole killer instinct thing is too vague,

define it more

youll find that your defining drive and work ethic and determination 90% of the time

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all ruthless lmao

Even though they all said they value collaboration and great strategies over anything? You think I picked those people randomly?

Gendered terminology aside (I totally get Saint’s perspective there), the power levels is something that I noticed back in the Q/Qv2 days especially. This could be something to do with the “hyper-dominance” mentioned – Emperor is very much in your face, sheer will, and the manifestations I had on that one were strong and clear cut.

When I switched to Stark for a while, it took me a lot longer to be able to differentiate what events in my life were connected with the scripting. Stark is by definition quite subtle and requires you to develop finesse or skill in some area you’ll be innovating, whether its social or tech related.

I think this one would definitely benefit from the v2 max/New <X> experience treatment for that reason alone. What Saint is calling “turning up the power level” seems in my experience to equate to making the uptake more smooth and the results more noticeable. Power level helps offset the subtlety.

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From personal experience working in the Sponsorship & Partnership department, I can attest to the above.

I tried both Emperor and Stark in the last one year while working in this department, and specifically during weeks where I had meetings with potential sponsors for events, and I can tell y’all for a fact that while I was on Emperor, the vibe I had killed their enthusiasm cause I seemed a bit too “intense”, as if I’m trying to order them, instead of convincing them :sweat_smile:

Meanwhile on stark, I convinced a company to invest with 250k+ in a 2 days event :joy:

This conversation about Stark being masculine, neutral, or feminine, is so unnecessary and irrelevant to the actual goals of the sub, and I’d say, this constant questioning of the archetype’s nature is exactly why people can’t “feel” certain things from the sub (like people claiming that Stark isn’t optimal to get laid, meanwhile it lead my friend to having 3 girls blow him together).

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If I’m not wrong, Stark might be getting at least 3 kinds of New X experience scripting;

  • New Wealth Experience.
  • New Romance Experience.
  • and the new New Learning Experience that Saint teased.

This alone could push Stark to artisanal level haha

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I hadn’t heard of New Learning Experience. Clearly I’m behind the times :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: now that I could definitely get behind!

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  1. I will NOT rethink my stack…
  2. I will NOT rethink my stack…
  3. I will NOT rethink my stack…

All good now. Deep breath.

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I’m not referring to you specifically. This whole “Stark is feminine” / hatred against titles that everyone can use narrative has been going on for awhile now.

No, Tony Stark is a man, expressing the neutral archetype of “The Creator.” There is nothing inherently masculine about the archetype he expresses, which is that of a brilliant inventor with the fortitude and willpower to bring their ideas into form. That is the core of the archetype – to change the world and to avoid mediocrity. If you think this notion is inherently male, again – you would be incorrect.

Stark’s personality and psyche (which are are more like the lenses / channels in which an archetype express) is traditionally masculine, but the archetype itself is not. For example, the trickster archetype (Loki) is being used brilliantly in the television show by both the male and female Loki.

And the title itself is very much archetypal – you are not becoming Tony Stark. The scripting embodies what Tony has to offer the world – innovation and creativity. And there is more than enough scripting (and will be enough in any new versions) to still confidently embody “genius, billionaire, playboy.”

The characterization of Tony Stark’s personality, not the archetype of the creator that he represents.

“Hyperdominance” is not a universal prerequisite to being innovative. What you guys want is for us to make Emperor + Stark, and then you’ll complain when exactly what we said would happen, happens.

Yes, Stark is definitely being worked on just like all the other titles. Since it’s a fairly popular title, we’ve been waiting to put all the latest innovations and the such in it.

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I must’ve missed this before. What would happen mixing them?

What we’ve been talking about. When you’re dealing with rich people that want to mentor / invest in you, giving off a hyperdominant vibe will do nothing but turn them off. That’s why we gave Stark more of a social alpha vibe, the person everyone wants to be around because they are inherently amazing.

What people don’t understand is that this scripting is EXTREMELY “alpha,” as you’re not coming across as some popular dork, like Mark Zuckerberg. It very much has a “Tony Stark” from the MCU vibe – witty, charming, fun to be around and known for getting the job done. People just want Emperor, but with Stark’s innovation, and trying to pressure us into doing it by saying it feels “feminine.”

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Trickster archetype subliminal confirmed?!?!?? LOKI ZP?!?!?

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This is is the feeling I got from Stark zp,

The feeling of flying in the air.

V1 seemed like it had jarvis ai helper to,

Felt like a star on it.

V2 not so much and In a custom with hom it felt diluted was something else altogether

Hope in v2 max can get the v1 effect

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Where does Ascension fall in this spectrum, somewhere in the middle? I want to become better at being the “social alpha” and don’t really resonate with the hyper dominant alpha, but at the same time, I don’t want the level of attention and fame that Stark brings. Would Ascension create the archetype of a strong, calmer-than-stark social alpha?

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Yes, Ascension is the “gateway into alpha titles,” so it has a nice balance of social and strong dominance. It does lean more toward “dominance,” however.

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