This is going to be a powerhouse incredible title, so excited!!!
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Even HoM will get NRE which will be interesting.
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Social skills on HoM vs Stark.
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I strongly disagree and would absolutely hate to see this being a male-exclusive title.
My partner has been using this very successfully for the past 4 months to become a full-time streamer and now she enjoys enough income to replace both her previous job with even more left over. She’s become more charming, figured out innovative ways to improve her streaming experience through exclusive benefits and I have not gotten the sense that she is masculine in the slightest. If anything she’s even more feminine.
Not only that but just today she received a lucrative part-time job offer with potential for ownership through one of her viewers, which is bound to increase her income even further. (Stark + R.I.C.H)
I’ve seen people both say this sub is too masculine and not masculine enough. I suggest to just leave it alone as is to not affect the rest of us. @SaintSovereign I hope you take my testimonial in consideration when further developing this title.
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Oh, you’ve seen the script?
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Mic drop 
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You see, once upon a time Tony Stark was heterosexual, straight, male.
These modern days, Netflix era, requires modern solutions, right?
Tony can be a Tonya or somebody else. He/him can be she/him or even them/they 
(Harsh joke. No offense intended, though).
On a serious note: issues with Stark being “not enough masculine” is, well, an issue.
Its an users feedback, right? It can be ignored (like any shadow energy form) or taken in consideration.
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I am fine with Stark not being an inherently masculine title but rather a focused, driven, highly intelligent innovator technologist (which could be applicable to both genders) while masculinity could be amplified using GLM:TC.
My issue with Stark in its current iteration is the objectives are extremely vague, unclear, and seems like it’s incomplete overall… plus it’s power is WAY down compared to every new title, and most of the existing alpha titles such as Emperor.
And this is coming from the perspective of someone who has ran Emperor & Stark extensively (over a year in total)
I am extremely hopeful that within the next cycle we get to see massive improvements to the core titles on the store (Emperor, Stark, and Khan (not relevant to me) ) and possibly an even darker focused Stark title, maybe Stark Black with more Lex Luthor vibes.
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I agree. If Stark was being called Innovator ZP (for example) nobody would give a shit about it being specified as ‘any gender’, right?
Just like seems nobody gives a feedback about The Alchemist being ‘any gender’.
Stark, especially Tony Stark being ‘any gender’ is like Marilyn Monroe physical beautification sub positioned as “any gender”.
@SaintSovereign, please, forgive us for being not enough tolerant 
most us came from countries with a fixed gender roles.
Tony Stark was a straight-guy, and “any gender” specified with concrete masculine archetype sounds like “bi-sexual”
Anyway, I FEEL that @Fire is already know why this kind of feedback is arising in the forum and I’m 100% he preparing something incredible new for us all! Next version of Stark specifically.
DISCLAIMER: ITS A FEEDBACK. Somebody can react to it as ‘personal assault’ or something but all of this is a feedback.
Concerning, ‘vague’ and etc. well, SC guys are surprising us with incredible new ideas and products with each launch. Updated Stark will be something out of this world, I’m sure.
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Why you do not like Khan?
Oh I have nothing against Khan, I just don’t feel like it currently fits any of my goals.
I much prefer Emperor and Stark combination. And I am not even running that right now.
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I’m all for gender-neutral titles. I’m manly enough.
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If you guys are so intolerant that you can’t differentiate between “any gender” and “gender neutral” to the point that you can’t understand what Stark ZP is supposed to be, that is not my problem.
We don’t really use the term “gender neutral,” we say “any gender.” You all started parroting this term to apply politically charged pressure on us into making unnecessary and unneeded changes to Stark. Which, of course is NOT the way that you convince us to do anything – we’d be more inclined to do the opposite out of pure principle.
Second, “any gender” in this context means that the script doesn’t really reference pronouns, allowing everyone to run it, nor does it make the script weaker in any way, shape or form. You cannot even argue with us on this point, since you don’t have the data to do so. We have. In most cases, pronouns are extremely irrelevant.
When we deem a title “Men only” or “Women only,” we are talking about the CONCEPTS inherent in the scripting. Depending on the title, some concepts will resonate more with men, some with women, and some everyone can enjoy. I can make a title that’s “traditionally masculine” and all genders could still run it as long as they understood that it’s written from a predominantly “masculine” perspective. As long as the user agrees to that, all is well.
That being said…
There is NOTHING about becoming a charismatic, innovative business leader / inventor that is “inherently male.” Claims to the otherwise is just downright sexism. Now, for me to say something like that, you know you crossed the line, considering the titles we’ve been bold enough to put out. BJ auras and “build a harem” titles, and for anyone here to have the audacity to claim that we’re being PC is an outright absurdity.
Stark is not “weaker.” It is simply NOT EMPEROR. Emperor has a very specific goal that makes it easy to slap dominance all in it and be done with it. Stark is not, and the lack of hyper dominance has NOTHING to do with it’s “Any Gender” status. Stark is more social alpha by intentional choice on our part.
I’m going to start handing out temporary bans over the “Stark is too feminine” nonsense.
Stark is designed to help you become a popular, famous innovator. It’s supposed to get people to LIKE you and want to invest in you. It will help you enter circles that you normally wouldn’t have access to – circles that will chew you up and spit you out if you come in acting hyperdominant. Those who actually run in tech circles knows this very well – you’re entering a different type of arena that most of you probably wouldn’t succeed in.
When you try to obtain venture capital (I would know, we have offers all the time), these individuals are looking for partners that they can mentor and give advice to. They have access to billions of dollars, given to them by the highest echelons of society. You are not going to “out dominate” them. These are the people who touch the people who PRINT your country’s money.
The person who rises up those ranks needs to be one who can become a chameleon – remaining true to themselves without compromising too much dominance. That person needs the ability to understand the intricate power dynamics of the room they are in so they can best convince these rich individuals to invest in them.
That person needs to be able to convince people to work incredible hours for low pay in exchange for future stock benefits and the such. You will not achieve that through fear, you will achieve that through inspiration. You need to be able to cut deals with individuals coming from a GLOBAL audience.
Emperor is one who builds an empire out of his own sheer determination and will, with less help from others. It is “hyper dominant” because it is attempting to help you develop that steely resilience to simply overcome through force.
That is not Stark. That’s not even Tony Stark’s character profile. And I hate to tell you, in terms of “masculine” and “feminine” energy, used in the context of “active” and “nurturing” (like yin yang) – Tony Stark is right there in the middle, with Steve Rogers serving as the higher expression of active / yang energy and Bruce Banner serving as the most nurturing / yin. That’s what makes the latter’s struggle so compelling – within him is the expression of duality between Hulk (pure yang) and Banner (pure yin), and he finally begins to resolve these opposites in Endgame (with “Professor Hulk”).
While Rogers is pure muscle and strength and combat prowess (yang), Stark uses a mixture of physical prowess (yang) and creativity (creating the suit, merging intuition with logic to create mindblowing inventions – yin). He is the “balanced” character to offset the energies of the other two. This is why the first Avengers movie performed so well – you had multiple archetypes battling each other mentally.
Not only is the script solid in terms of how it approaches the goal, but the archetype of Stark is actually more accurate than you even realize. Now, unless you’re studying the art of language and persuasion on the level that we do, where we break down and analyze all kinds of writings from a deconstructionist standpoint, I suggest you avoid going head to head with us on this point. That being said:
You could’ve just said this and we could’ve had this conversation. This is more interesting feedback than people focusing on the word gender.
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That hyperdominance nonsense is the result of self esteem not being as solid as it could be. When you reach high levels of success, millionaire or billionaire level, people actually value collaboration over anything else. I know some CEOs who are the most soft spoken people that you could ever meet. Men and women. Some people try too hard to emulate Steve Jobs, Elon Musk or even Donald Trump and forget that there are other people with just as much money who are naturally easy going and have a pleasant demeanor. And about Trump, how is that hyperdominant stuff working for him right now?
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Can confirm in tech circle and biz circles where there’s people from all walks of life, hyperdominance is not a good idea. That’s why for social circle and networking HoM or Stark has been the go to. You’re just a very good and charismatic person that wants to connect and build relationships with everyone.
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Add Chosen.
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Agreed that too, just mentioning the ones I have most experience with.
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I appreciate the response, and I agree with what you said.
However, not a single thing that I said aluded to me applying “politically charged pressure” towards you. Blanket statements are dangerous, you know that 
I merely suggested that my interpretation of Stark is a more masculine title than in the middle, and with good reason.
Tony Stark is not a middle ground character (either in the comics, or in the movies), while he can certainly play to the feminine, he’s a masculine archetype through and through. Plus the movie characerization of Tony Stark was inspired by Elon Musk, that’s why in the first movie, you see an unreleased Tesla Roadster. Pretty sure there was an interview with RDJ that explained this.
And Elon Musk is a pretty hyperdominant male based on his recent biography.
Imagine going to a business meeting where people are just as wealthy as you are or wealthier and thinking that anyone is intimated by you or is going to bow down to you because you’re “hyperdominant”.
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