Main Disc. Thread - Stark ZP

[Invictus]

@Risky

Oh my god! That sounds incredible.

Also, yeah it’s so subtle. But I know people started to call me smooth and laugh when I said I was an introvert, like it was some joke, and my boss saying I’m the most popular guy. And I only noticed this afterwards, like a year or so after.

Looking forward to the upgrades of this baby!

I honestly feel like it’s a sub that many people sleep on

Like yeah it does have things that people might consider to be a “drawback” for them, such as increased attention, no “hyper dominance”, or like me “too much spending”, but that’s literally how the archetype acts, behaves, and is meant to be expressed.

If you’re a hyper dominant guy, you’re not even gonna have half the networking and social results that Stark has to offer, I would even go as far as saying that the hyper dominance will REDUCE the charm of Stark.

As for the fame aspect, if you’re not willing to get the attention for your innovations to be know, and you to be well known as a byproduct of your efforts, then how would you expect to get your work/product the attention it deserves? Yeah you can say “but Emperor doesn’t need that attention for the success”, yeah but Emperor would also not care about getting his identity tied to his efforts and would rather have someone else taking care of such things, like being a spokesperson to talk to the public, and believe it or not, my last event made me realize that people ADORE a CEO who is active in the community and well known, not someone who acts from a place of hierarchy and delegates others to attend.

And as for the aspect that I mentioned, “too much spending”, well, how do you expect to be a flamboyant playboy, who has a celebrity-level status, while dressed as a “normal” person ? I mean, I don’t wanna tie status to materialistic things, but let’s be real, in today’s day and age, you can’t just be something unless you look like it too, and Stark not only knows that, but it also teaches you how to make use of it.

I would hate for Stark to change from what it is, and what it does, or else it certainly won’t be Stark anymore.

[ksub]

I have to say that I’m a bit puzzled by this Stark conversation and I even never ran Stark. This sub is what it is. Anyone who doesn’t like it can either build a custom around it or stack it with what they think is missing.

[subliminalguy]

@Invictus

As for the fame aspect, if you’re not willing to get the attention for your innovations to be know, and you to be well known as a byproduct of your efforts, then how would you expect to get your work/product the attention it deserves?

Something that I remember about my relatively short experiences with Stark is…

while normally I’d feel uncomfortable attracting so much attention, I truly felt worthy of that attention while on Stark. It felt completely normal for me.

There wasn’t any internal conflict while receiving so much attention. That was wild!

[Dreamevile]

Yeah, “mind racing”, exactly. I called it “scattered mind”, like ADHD, which I never had. As I was thinking about many things at once, not a pleasant feeling.

When I ordered custom with Stark core, I added Single Point module to remove this effect of Stark. It helped but not too much.

Yeah its why I stopped running it regularly. Which is such a shame really cause this is a very good sub. Hopefully the future versions won’t have this effect.

[Risky]

Its the visionary and innovators weakness but also strength. Always new ideas etc, new ways to explore. Perhaps adding The Executive or RoM will help in focus.

Because I think with being creative, innovative and visionary, comes a certain aspect of “ADHD” like behaviour.

Pure speculation of course based on my life experience.

I did a personality test (Clifton Strength) and Visionary was one of my strengths. They recommended I team up with someone with Focus as their strength. So the ideas and visions actually get more pragmatic.

Also while running RM, I was all over the place, but when I added RoM my creative energy got some groundedness. I’m thinking Stark has the same element of boundless creativity. And perhaps with my personality traits, it becomes too boundless. Lol

Also I realise I’ve run Stark extensively, so could have been from Stark and not just RM.

[Fire]

Think of it similar to a laser.

Yes, it’s the Death-star. No, it doesn’t mean you’re going to laser a planet.

You have to make use of that “scattered mind”, like the smaller parts of the laser. It’s your shotgun, looking to find the best idea. Once you’ve found it, you focus on it and make that your big laser, your ground-breaking idea that nails it home.

It can feel like a disadvantage, but once you know how to use this feature you’ll realize the profound power you have at your disposal - not many people have this powerful of an idea generator on command.

[Tomcat]

Sounds interesting, thanks, @Fire.

It always good to have ideas from person who actually written the script.

Btw, Genesis feels “enough for me” centred, confident, focused, “stand my ground” and somehow “disciplined”.

Any chance that this kind of scripting be implemented in Stark?

Having a flow of ideas AND disciplined mind is God’s gift.

[Fire]

Stark does have such scripting.

The difference is Genesis doesn’t need to have the scattered laser effect, as it’s not created for the purpose of inventing, hence it feels more “stable”.

You can tap into this scripting, but you need to be able to make that switch between these two modes.

[Tomcat]

Interesting, thanks, @Fire.

[Moon]

@Fire

Yes, it’s the Death-star. No, it doesn’t mean you’re going to laser a planet.

Well there goes my plans for next year.

[Dantes]

Stark is a perfect sub for its intended purpose, I tried to come up with some valid critiques on it but I really cant as you guys have thoroughly went into the research to create it

Only valid critique is the “Genius Billionaire, Playboy” as maybe for Sentinel he doesnt really see it performing that well for the playboy part

I cant say for certain as the romance parts of scripts are my weakness lol so we’ll see but it nails Genius Billionaire outta the park. So I’d hate for it to get some crazy romance scripting and alpha which dilutes from the Genius Billionaire side

@SaintSovereign

we’ve been waiting to put all the latest innovations and the such in it.

Which I cant wait for

[NinjaGazin]

Just stack it with WB and the playboy will shine brightly alongside the genius billionaire.
Speaking from personal experience, the combo is so good and the two subs synergize so well together I plan to make my first QTSK custom with those two cores.

[EsctasyOfGold]

Too much dominance definately has bad effects on networking.

I had to drop khan because of this at stage 3, people were always on guard around me.

Now I find it super easy to network and make connections with my EoG/Hom custom, after dropping khan.

The dominance and self worth from khan definately told me who I should not keep around me and what kind of people to avoid in the future. It almost brute forced status through me, which I liked. But at this time, I should not use it as I need people to be more open with me (and I’m not just talking women sexually, which khan does get)

I assume stark won’t have the brute force approach, but more of a suave approach, which is perfect for the startup/tech/entrepenuership world.

[Jouissance]

Is HOM dominant?

[RVconsultant]

If people are wanting more alpha, dominance, masculinity, or assertiveness, perhaps consider listening to GLM:The Commander in your playlist.

[Plutus]

It gives a good balance between the two when you use GLM: The Co with Stark so I agree.

[SaintSovereign]

@Dantes

Only valid critique is the “Genius Billionaire, Playboy” as maybe for Sentinel he doesnt really see it performing that well for the playboy part

I just looked last night to confirm – Stark has much more romance scripting than I even remembered. It’s more than Ascension, not quite as much as Emperor. These “lack of results” only started when people started saying Stark was “feminine” and began psyching themselves out. Even when we upgrade Stark, it’s still not going to feel like Emperor with innovation. It’s going to feel like a hyperupgraded Stark.

@NinjaGazin

Just stack it with WB and the playboy will shine brightly alongside the genius billionaire.

Yep.

@EsctasyOfGold

Too much dominance definately has bad effects on networking.

I had to drop khan because of this at stage 3, people were always on guard around me.

Now I find it super easy to network and make connections with my EoG/Hom custom, after dropping khan.

Trying to tell them this.

@EsctasyOfGold

It almost brute forced status through me, which I liked.

This is what they are attempting to strongarm us into adding to Stark.

@EsctasyOfGold

I assume stark won’t have the brute force approach, but more of a suave approach, which is perfect for the startup/tech/entrepenuership world.

It will remain a title just for this purpose.

@Jouissance

Is HOM dominant?

Yes, in it’s own way.

[Monarch]

@Tomcat

Glad we were able to stimulate such a great conversation and apply fair criticism to Stark.

Hopefully with the upgrades it’ll take the title to a higher level and possibly different variations of it (HINT: Stark Black )

[KingofClubz]

No
Similar to Stark, but as dominate as Emperor.

[Fire]

Note - @SaintSovereign and I are in alignment on this, and we both are aware of what is in the script.

We’re not going to be adding dominance or creating a Black version for the sole purpose of “fixing” it’s dominance “issue” - there isn’t one, as the goal of Stark is much different.

People keep trying to get us to create multitudes of different titles that cover very specific issues - but most of these issues can be covered by an already existing title, or would go against the idea of a previous title.

For example, we’ve had people in support ask us to make a dental health subliminal - Paragon already covers this. Or with Khan Black, people wanted us to make Khan but with a lot more dominance.

So no, we’re not going to be making Stark Black that’s just more dominant. If we do make Stark Black, it would be a completely original spin on the classic Stark. Remember, Black is not just “the classic turned up to 11”, it’s a new, original take that we’d like to make but not necessarily for everyone.

Learn to use Stark correctly and it’s strengths.