Main Disc. Thread - Stark ZP

I just looked last night to confirm – Stark has much more romance scripting than I even remembered. It’s more than Ascension, not quite as much as Emperor. These “lack of results” only started when people started saying Stark was “feminine” and began psyching themselves out. Even when we upgrade Stark, it’s still not going to feel like Emperor with innovation. It’s going to feel like a hyperupgraded Stark.

Yep. :wink:

Trying to tell them this.

This is what they are attempting to strongarm us into adding to Stark.

It will remain a title just for this purpose.

Yes, in it’s own way.

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@Tomcat

Glad we were able to stimulate such a great conversation and apply fair criticism to Stark.

Hopefully with the upgrades it’ll take the title to a higher level and possibly different variations of it (HINT: Stark Black :wink:)

:pray:

No :-1:
Similar to Stark, but as dominate as Emperor.

Note - @SaintSovereign and I are in alignment on this, and we both are aware of what is in the script.

We’re not going to be adding dominance or creating a Black version for the sole purpose of “fixing” it’s dominance “issue” - there isn’t one, as the goal of Stark is much different.

People keep trying to get us to create multitudes of different titles that cover very specific issues - but most of these issues can be covered by an already existing title, or would go against the idea of a previous title.

For example, we’ve had people in support ask us to make a dental health subliminal - Paragon already covers this. Or with Khan Black, people wanted us to make Khan but with a lot more dominance.

So no, we’re not going to be making Stark Black that’s just more dominant. If we do make Stark Black, it would be a completely original spin on the classic Stark. Remember, Black is not just “the classic turned up to 11”, it’s a new, original take that we’d like to make but not necessarily for everyone.

Learn to use Stark correctly and it’s strengths.

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HoM has the entire Emperor script in it + additional scripting to increase dominance. I’m starting to wonder if people here even realize what dominance is, or are they only thinking of bullying others to submit.

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LETS GO. JUST EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. 1 More week lol this is gonna be tough

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Dominance: power, influence, authority over others, the ability to assert oneself over others

It’s not a complex word to understand.

I think the issue lies in the lack of understanding of what each title does and what each title supports. The objectives in a lot of cases are vague, and provide no real world examples of usage.

However, I will add a caveat that the latest releases (HERO:Origins, WANTED Black, and Nouveau RICH) have been extremely detailed in their objectives, but again it is lacking “real life usage” examples for people to really understand better.

Possible room for improvement on that side for newer people.

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Whoa!!! I didn’t realize HOM has the whole Emperor Script :wink: I was wondering why back in 2021 stacking Emperor + Hom was intense :flushed:

But then again after being on Khan for a while, nothing really compares to Khans dominance IYKYK :sunglasses::facepunch:

Clearly is going to be different for everyone.

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This :point_up: most likely

I don’t think most people realize how much of dominance is internal/frame based

You know I always thought Stark + RM would of been a good stack together :heart:

Too bad I fell in love with Khan.

I feel like RM is the perfect ground for Stark, while still keeping the objectives cohesive.:+1:

Funny enough Stark has been crossing my mind all day since I decided to Stack RoM + Khan.

Let’s see what happens with RoM :thinking:

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If you can’t take these objectives and extrapolate how to use these objectives in real life, you need Limitless.

There’s only so much we can go into detail until it becomes overwhelming - and we’ve already had people complain about this. Nor do we want to do so. We want our customers to have independence and creative thinking.

Finally, most of the programs we’ve created can be incredibly effective in areas most don’t think about. Use and explore the subliminals, they are so much more than a list.

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Now take that “non-complex” word and turn it into a Zero Point subliminal – meaning, you only have to run 30s to start getting benefits – and make sure the scripting can affect a globally diverse group of people.

No one has the same definition of “dominance,” meaning you’d have to figure out how to convey this “simple” idea in a way where everyone gets benefits. Nothing in this craft is simple. Sure, you can go run and buy subliminals with “me smack peoplez in the head and they wurk for me cuz i innovation” scripting from YouTube.

But, we treat this like an actual artform and we’ve proven time and time again that we know what we’re doing. Stark is remaining Stark.

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They’re thinking of bullying. Then they run into someone like me, who is always laughing and joking around and who doesn’t come across as dominant (whatever the fuck that word means). They’re usually left speechless because I literally do not give a fuck about how dominant anyone is. I’ve seen too much in life to care about stuff like that. Some of us are not “bulliable”. Some of us have no problem telling off hyperdominant males or alpha males if they cross a line.

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For my benefit if no one else’s please could you explain the idea of dominance?

Or frame it as dominant-alpha Vs social alpha? I’m realizing the more this thread goes on how little I know about all this so I would love to hear about this

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People just need to read the copy on the program pages. The general text in the Description section always contains many examples and applications. Meanwhile, the text in the Objectives provides pinpointed, comprehensive, and actionable elaboration.

People also need to understand the meaning of “Archetype”.

Here is a good prompt for ChatGPT:

“In 3 sentences, define the concept of an archetype and provide some examples of how the same underlying archetype can manifest differently in various individuals.”

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Or wait for Khan: Tribal Warlord. 𓀛 :rofl:

Ushering in New Dominance Experience

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Alpha vs. Social Dominance

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What is Alpha Male vs Social dominance?

ChatGPT
“Alpha male” and “social dominance” are terms often used in discussions about animal behavior and, to some extent, human behavior. Here’s a brief explanation of both concepts:

Alpha Male:

This term is often used in the context of social hierarchies in animal groups, particularly among certain species like wolves and some primates.
An “alpha male” is typically seen as the dominant or highest-ranking male in a social group. They often have preferential access to resources, mates, and leadership within the group.
It’s important to note that the concept of the alpha male in human society is controversial and not universally accepted. The idea of applying this concept to humans oversimplifies our complex social structures.

Social Dominance:

Social dominance refers to the hierarchical structure within a social group where some individuals have higher status or rank than others.
This concept applies to a wide range of species, including humans. Social dominance can be based on various factors such as physical strength, intelligence, leadership skills, or other attributes.
Dominance hierarchies can influence access to resources, influence within the group, and mating opportunities. They help maintain social order and reduce conflict within the group.
It’s important to understand that while these concepts are used to describe certain aspects of animal behavior, applying them to human behavior is often oversimplified and can be problematic. Human social structures are complex and influenced by cultural, psychological, and individual factors that go beyond simple notions of “alpha males” or dominance.

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This is where my comment was directed (which is the title we are discussing) - not Emperor: House of Medici.

Stark has arguably the worst objective page of the entire catalog, and yet you wonder why there is confusion surrounding the title :rofl:

@Fire I know you’re smarter than that.

EDIT: I’ve also mentioned to this to Saint before and he said it was being updated (which never happened) but I imagine when the upgrades come through it’ll be addressed.

I believe Saint writes all the copy